CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 10)

[dmahon]

21st June seems to be being publicised as some freedom day. Summer festivals are back on, the marketing is going out and and plans are being made. Hopefully they will find it at least somewhat hard to row back from if that date gets momentum.

I do wonder if one reason they’ve pushed the date so far out is in order to implement vaccine passports and moonshoot testing, as this would be an enormous turnaround. Hopefully they’ll fail on both.

[dmahon]

soofsayer said:

Horizon.

Explaining herd immunity needs to be 97% using an R number of 3. It’s below 1.

Using measles as a comparison disease for vaccination and eradication. Did everyone of every age have measles jabs when it was a problem?

That isn’t herd immunity, where the vulnerable are protected by the herd. That’s just the entire herd being immune!

Will this st ever end!

[johnboy1975]

dmahon said:

21st June seems to be being publicised as some freedom day. Summer festivals are back on, the marketing is going out and and plans are being made. Hopefully they will find it at least somewhat hard to row back from if that date gets momentum.

I do wonder if one reason they’ve pushed the date so far out is in order to implement vaccine passports and moonshoot testing, as this would be an enormous turnaround. Hopefully they’ll fail on both.

Not looked at the plans, are they planning an "old normal" vibe? Or 2m squares being marked out in fields to "assist" with social distancing.

Any chance Glastonbury will reconsider? I know that happens in June (and has been cancelled) - unsure of the exact date though

Entertainment industry really need to rise up and be counted, else they will find themselves in a 3 month brief "new normal" summer window, before being forced out of business for good next autumn / winter.

Easier said than done I know, but it seems they have little to lose and a great deal to gain

[JagLover]

anonymous said:

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[V1nce Fox]

dmahon said:

21st June seems to be being publicised as some freedom day. Summer festivals are back on, the marketing is going out and and plans are being made. Hopefully they will find it at least somewhat hard to row back from if that date gets momentum.

I do wonder if one reason they’ve pushed the date so far out is in order to implement vaccine passports and moonshoot testing, as this would be an enormous turnaround. Hopefully they’ll fail on both.

This was my first thought. The dates are based on having digital systems ready, not on health.

[Sahjahd]

Thin White Duke said:

There was a poster on here - Lemming Train - actually seemed like a reasonable fellow - not like some of the conspiracy loons we have here. He said months ago that there will be a push for mandatory vaccines (if not by law then by the back door - via coercion). I dismissed him then. I wouldn't now, because that is essentially happening.

The question is and I would limit this to just the vaccine angle and not the other stuff (masks etc), is what and who gains from everyone being made to get the vaccine?

I don't think that any of the "other stuff" such as restriction of movement, association, masks etc can be separated from compulsion / coercion of vaccination; each step has been pushing the population a little further, with barely any effective resistance to the destruction of our lives, however, taking vaccines in isolation, all the pharmaceutical companies involved, their employees and shareholders, and less obviously, politicians and behavioural "scientists" who wish to control, for reasons beyond my understanding, benefit.
Another thin end of the wedge, or "no biggie", as some here are so fond of claiming?

[Gadgetmac]

dmahon said:

21st June seems to be being publicised as some freedom day. Summer festivals are back on, the marketing is going out and and plans are being made. Hopefully they will find it at least somewhat hard to row back from if that date gets momentum.

I do wonder if one reason they’ve pushed the date so far out is in order to implement vaccine passports and moonshoot testing, as this would be an enormous turnaround. Hopefully they’ll fail on both.

Haven't they explained why the date is what it is?

Relax the restrictions a bit and see what the data says over the next few weeks, rinse and repeat. It's all there in the WEF's guide to global domination...or is Mao's little red book...it's so confusing.

[monkfish1]

Gadgetmac said:

dmahon said:

21st June seems to be being publicised as some freedom day. Summer festivals are back on, the marketing is going out and and plans are being made. Hopefully they will find it at least somewhat hard to row back from if that date gets momentum.

I do wonder if one reason they’ve pushed the date so far out is in order to implement vaccine passports and moonshoot testing, as this would be an enormous turnaround. Hopefully they’ll fail on both.

Haven't they explained why the date is what it is?

Relax the restrictions a bit and see what the data says over the next few weeks, rinse and repeat. It's all there in the WEF's guide to global domination...or is Mao's little red book...it's so confusing.

As you are so fond of believing the government, despite being let down at every turn, do you really think that HMG have suddenly decided to "follow the data" having previously ignored it.

And you neatly sidestepped my question to you last time, do you really believe what actually happens will look anything like the so called roadmap? Really?

[Carrot]

Daily wail this morning with an article about 5 year olds to wear masks in school... beyond fking sick.

I would struggle to understand any parent that would agree to this.

[monkfish1]

Carrot said:

Daily wail this morning with an article about 5 year olds to wear masks in school... beyond fking sick.

I would struggle to understand any parent that would agree to this.

The bit i dont understand about masks for kids, is not the parents that go along with, they maybe dont grasp the likely effects, but the complete silence from proffesionals on the subject. Granted, they may be being silenced, but you would think there would be some level of "noise" about it.

[Deep Thought]

Gadgetmac said:

Haven't they explained why the date is what it is?

Relax the restrictions a bit and see what the data says over the next few weeks, rinse and repeat. It's all there in the WEF's guide to global domination...or is Mao's little red book...it's so confusing.

I presume they are under pressure from businesses who need to prepare (perhaps taking weeks or months) to have a formal date. Cant expect restaurants and bars who have laid off staff and disposed of / not been ordering stock to start up at a weeks notice.

I think "the data" will confirm these dates as we move along. I suspect it would take something major to push these out now.

[monkfish1]

Deep Thought said:

Gadgetmac said:

Haven't they explained why the date is what it is?

Relax the restrictions a bit and see what the data says over the next few weeks, rinse and repeat. It's all there in the WEF's guide to global domination...or is Mao's little red book...it's so confusing.

I presume they are under pressure from businesses who need to prepare (perhaps taking weeks or months) to have a formal date. Cant expect restaurants and bars who have laid off staff and disposed of / not been ordering stock to start up at a weeks notice.

I think "the data" will confirm these dates as we move along. I suspect it would take something major to push these out now.

Based on HMG's track record so far as a business, lets say a pub, would YOU go out and stock up on food and drink based on what Boris says? Having had your fingers burnt already. I suspect many will wait until any specific restriction is actually relaxed.

I believe almost NOTHING they say, as almost everything they say is subesquently proven to be false/incorrect/lie. Delete as appropiate.

[Gadgetmac]

monkfish1 said:

Gadgetmac said:

dmahon said:

21st June seems to be being publicised as some freedom day. Summer festivals are back on, the marketing is going out and and plans are being made. Hopefully they will find it at least somewhat hard to row back from if that date gets momentum.

I do wonder if one reason they’ve pushed the date so far out is in order to implement vaccine passports and moonshoot testing, as this would be an enormous turnaround. Hopefully they’ll fail on both.

Haven't they explained why the date is what it is?

Relax the restrictions a bit and see what the data says over the next few weeks, rinse and repeat. It's all there in the WEF's guide to global domination...or is Mao's little red book...it's so confusing.

As you are so fond of believing the government, despite being let down at every turn, do you really think that HMG have suddenly decided to "follow the data" having previously ignored it.

And you neatly sidestepped my question to you last time, do you really believe what actually happens will look anything like the so called roadmap? Really?

I think you'll find you're going to have to slink away from this thread as the crushing reality of us coming out of all this slowly unfolds.

Keep the shiny hat though it'll be needed the next time there's a crisis.

[Jordan210]

Posted this last night in the wrong thread !

Have no fear. Super COVID is here. Wait that’s not right we need to be very scared apparently


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9300941...

[Graveworm]

johnboy1975 said:

I thought the 70% more transmissible/ add 0.7 to R had broadly been debunked (Kent strain). Have they transferred those superpowers to the SA variant, with an equal amount (or lack thereof) of evidence? Cool.

Not sure it was debunked to the point that the new strains were not more transmissible pretty much the opposite. The epidemiologist from LSHTM, they had on, said current best estimate was 50 percent. They used 33% for their figures.

[Jimmy No Hands]

Deep Thought said:

I presume they are under pressure from businesses who need to prepare (perhaps taking weeks or months) to have a formal date. Cant expect restaurants and bars who have laid off staff and disposed of / not been ordering stock to start up at a weeks notice.

I think "the data" will confirm these dates as we move along. I suspect it would take something major to push these out now.

Yes - the "Tuvan Throat Singing" variant is on it's way from mongolia. Just in the nick of time to keep us behind the couch until winter, rinse and repeat.

[JagLover]

Jordan210 said:

Posted this last night in the wrong thread !

Have no fear. Super COVID is here. Wait that’s not right we need to be very scared apparently

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9300941...

For those who missed it on the other thread

anonymous said:

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[danllama]

Gadgetmac said:

monkfish1 said:

Gadgetmac said:

dmahon said:

21st June seems to be being publicised as some freedom day. Summer festivals are back on, the marketing is going out and and plans are being made. Hopefully they will find it at least somewhat hard to row back from if that date gets momentum.

I do wonder if one reason they’ve pushed the date so far out is in order to implement vaccine passports and moonshoot testing, as this would be an enormous turnaround. Hopefully they’ll fail on both.

Haven't they explained why the date is what it is?

Relax the restrictions a bit and see what the data says over the next few weeks, rinse and repeat. It's all there in the WEF's guide to global domination...or is Mao's little red book...it's so confusing.

As you are so fond of believing the government, despite being let down at every turn, do you really think that HMG have suddenly decided to "follow the data" having previously ignored it.

And you neatly sidestepped my question to you last time, do you really believe what actually happens will look anything like the so called roadmap? Really?

I think you'll find you're going to have to slink away from this thread as the crushing reality of us coming out of all this slowly unfolds.

Keep the shiny hat though it'll be needed the next time there's a crisis.

And if he is right will YOU "slink away"? Or will you apologise to him?

[gazapc]

monkfish1 said:

Deep Thought said:

Gadgetmac said:

Haven't they explained why the date is what it is?

Relax the restrictions a bit and see what the data says over the next few weeks, rinse and repeat. It's all there in the WEF's guide to global domination...or is Mao's little red book...it's so confusing.

I presume they are under pressure from businesses who need to prepare (perhaps taking weeks or months) to have a formal date. Cant expect restaurants and bars who have laid off staff and disposed of / not been ordering stock to start up at a weeks notice.

I think "the data" will confirm these dates as we move along. I suspect it would take something major to push these out now.

Based on HMG's track record so far as a business, lets say a pub, would YOU go out and stock up on food and drink based on what Boris says? Having had your fingers burnt already. I suspect many will wait until any specific restriction is actually relaxed.

I believe almost NOTHING they say, as almost everything they say is subesquently proven to be false/incorrect/lie. Delete as appropiate.

Exactly this. Why would you believe them based on the current track record....



My one piece of optimism is that based on the track and trace app, the Gov will not be able to get a passport scheme in place by June.

[Carrot]

JagLover said:

Jordan210 said:

Posted this last night in the wrong thread !

Have no fear. Super COVID is here. Wait that’s not right we need to be very scared apparently

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9300941...

For those who missed it on the other thread

anonymous said:

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Is this one so deadly, and so dangerous that 1 in 1000 people may suspect they might have had it?

Terrifying....