CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 10)
Discussion
steveT350C said:
Lots of discussions about masks again I see.
This may help....
So, what are the benefits to getting primary schoolchildren to wear masks?For one, whatever little degree of transmission is occurring in these age groups could be limited. It could also help normalise the practice – young children wearing masks may make their families more likely to accept masks, said Susan Michie
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/mar/02/...
Susan Michie, for those who don’t know, is one of Sage’s behavioural psychologists, and a communist.
FGS - normalize wearing masks and we want the children to influence their parents? That is wrong in so many levels and yet again one can see the 1984 references.This may help....
So, what are the benefits to getting primary schoolchildren to wear masks?For one, whatever little degree of transmission is occurring in these age groups could be limited. It could also help normalise the practice – young children wearing masks may make their families more likely to accept masks, said Susan Michie
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/mar/02/...
Susan Michie, for those who don’t know, is one of Sage’s behavioural psychologists, and a communist.
If mask wearing becomes normal, then as I said above, we will not be eating humble pie for some time to come.
If biology and evolution had worked out that the impact of a face mask was beneficial to our survival, then we have have developed something more efficient than our existing filtration system in our nose and mouth.
ruprechtmonkeyboy said:
danllama said:
ruprechtmonkeyboy said:
danllama said:
Yep. Been saying this for months. They don't want this to be over.
Prepare to eat humble pie.I predict you are one of those posters that will skulk off with your tail between your legs over the coming months. Basically, you're wrong and you know it.
I would love to be wrong obviously. Fingers crossed for normal by July
Edited by danllama on Wednesday 3rd March 07:55
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9320063/C...
Surprised this was reported!! Looks like people are getting properly angry over there about this farce...
Surprised this was reported!! Looks like people are getting properly angry over there about this farce...
Zoobeef said:
Sensei Rob said:
The mind-boggling stupidity of humans never cease to amaze me! We could literally eradicate the virus in around 8 weeks if everybody stays at home. This is as true now as it was a year ago.
But no, that's too simple. Let's carry on as normal and have this thing run rampant. Let's develop a vaccine which we can't possibly have done long-term health studies on.
Let's make this vaccine the way Rube Goldberg would - the mRNA vaccine. And when the Germans finds it's not as effective as we claim, we'll just say they're not very clever and they've done it wrong.
Let's ignore China, who not only released the virus, but developed a vaccine properly (attenuated virus). China continue to take away human rights by doing anal swabs. It's another form of control.
Let's not even talk about the high mutation rate of the virus which will mean that more vaccines will need to be developed.
Again, none of this would have happened if we all stayed at home for 8 weeks.
Do we sit at home in the dark with no food for those 8 weeks? No police on the street? No NHS running? No public transport etc etc.But no, that's too simple. Let's carry on as normal and have this thing run rampant. Let's develop a vaccine which we can't possibly have done long-term health studies on.
Let's make this vaccine the way Rube Goldberg would - the mRNA vaccine. And when the Germans finds it's not as effective as we claim, we'll just say they're not very clever and they've done it wrong.
Let's ignore China, who not only released the virus, but developed a vaccine properly (attenuated virus). China continue to take away human rights by doing anal swabs. It's another form of control.
Let's not even talk about the high mutation rate of the virus which will mean that more vaccines will need to be developed.
Again, none of this would have happened if we all stayed at home for 8 weeks.
"Stay at home for 8 weeks" is a stupid idea. As everyone can't stay at home.
It's nuanced, and I didn't feel like writing an essay. No matter, It can work:
Key workers (food production and distribution, medical staff, etc.) continue working with PPE. Police as well as the Army can patrol the streets to make sure civilians stay at home.
All shopping done online, so some staff will still need to enable that.
The banks put a hold on mortgages and loans for 8 weeks.
Yeah, there are drawbacks, of course. The alternative is what's happening right now, where people take half measures, fumble around and eff things up as normal.
Now ask yourself - would you have gone through 8 weeks of the above or do you think what we did was the better alternative?
df76 said:
Boringvolvodriver said:
garyhun said:
MikeT66 said:
I can't tell you how much I hope and pray you are right. However wrong I am reading this situation, and admitting as such online that I was wrong and fooled (as I will do if true) it would be nothing compared to the shame and despair of being right.
Probably a lot of us willing to eat humble pie as long as we return to pre-2020 normal.I thought remain was a better option but now that we have left, and based on how the EC have acted, especially wrt vaccines, I would not want to rejoin.
steveT350C said:
Lots of discussions about masks again I see.
This may help....
So, what are the benefits to getting primary schoolchildren to wear masks?For one, whatever little degree of transmission is occurring in these age groups could be limited. It could also help normalise the practice – young children wearing masks may make their families more likely to accept masks, said Susan Michie
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/mar/02/...
Susan Michie, for those who don’t know, is one of Sage’s behavioural psychologists, and a communist.
So this cretin wants the children to inspire the parents...it's supposed to be the other way around.This may help....
So, what are the benefits to getting primary schoolchildren to wear masks?For one, whatever little degree of transmission is occurring in these age groups could be limited. It could also help normalise the practice – young children wearing masks may make their families more likely to accept masks, said Susan Michie
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/mar/02/...
Susan Michie, for those who don’t know, is one of Sage’s behavioural psychologists, and a communist.
Sensei Rob said:
Zoobeef said:
Sensei Rob said:
The mind-boggling stupidity of humans never cease to amaze me! We could literally eradicate the virus in around 8 weeks if everybody stays at home. This is as true now as it was a year ago.
But no, that's too simple. Let's carry on as normal and have this thing run rampant. Let's develop a vaccine which we can't possibly have done long-term health studies on.
Let's make this vaccine the way Rube Goldberg would - the mRNA vaccine. And when the Germans finds it's not as effective as we claim, we'll just say they're not very clever and they've done it wrong.
Let's ignore China, who not only released the virus, but developed a vaccine properly (attenuated virus). China continue to take away human rights by doing anal swabs. It's another form of control.
Let's not even talk about the high mutation rate of the virus which will mean that more vaccines will need to be developed.
Again, none of this would have happened if we all stayed at home for 8 weeks.
Do we sit at home in the dark with no food for those 8 weeks? No police on the street? No NHS running? No public transport etc etc.But no, that's too simple. Let's carry on as normal and have this thing run rampant. Let's develop a vaccine which we can't possibly have done long-term health studies on.
Let's make this vaccine the way Rube Goldberg would - the mRNA vaccine. And when the Germans finds it's not as effective as we claim, we'll just say they're not very clever and they've done it wrong.
Let's ignore China, who not only released the virus, but developed a vaccine properly (attenuated virus). China continue to take away human rights by doing anal swabs. It's another form of control.
Let's not even talk about the high mutation rate of the virus which will mean that more vaccines will need to be developed.
Again, none of this would have happened if we all stayed at home for 8 weeks.
"Stay at home for 8 weeks" is a stupid idea. As everyone can't stay at home.
It's nuanced, and I didn't feel like writing an essay. No matter, It can work:
Key workers (food production and distribution, medical staff, etc.) continue working with PPE. Police as well as the Army can patrol the streets to make sure civilians stay at home.
All shopping done online, so some staff will still need to enable that.
The banks put a hold on mortgages and loans for 8 weeks.
Yeah, there are drawbacks, of course. The alternative is what's happening right now, where people take half measures, fumble around and eff things up as normal.
Now ask yourself - would you have gone through 8 weeks of the above or do you think what we did was the better alternative?
Food will be delivered (some staff for that, good) - pickers, drivers, store security etc
Vehicles will be on the road, so drivers delivering food, police, road workers to maintain the road, ambulance services and fire services for any accidents that may / will happen
Mechanics will be open as we are bound to have breakdowns / mechanical failures
Powerplants need constant maintenance - oh ok so they will be going in to the workplace
Food manufacturers and plants will need to keep running to keep supply up - fine...
Farmers, farm workers will need to go in, so thats more cars on the road
Gas and electric for homes will still need at least emergency maintenance (funnily enough our main fuse blew from age last week, needed SSE to come in), so thats more people on the road
etc
etc
etc
More people would die, just like the lockdown is killing people as well as COVID.
isaldiri said:
Based on one hell of a lot of slightly wonky epidemiological modelling where the starting point is an extrapolation of a non random survey of antibody prevalence. So clearly it's'the science' and no one can question those numbers.
Nevertheless when all the silly panic about it proves to be completely pointless similar to every other bloody variant at some point even the guardian might lose interest in screaming about the next scary variant.....
Check recent 3 year “grant” to the guardian to help provide “ Global Health and Development Public Awareness and Analysis” from the bill gates foundation. Need to keep the reporting on message...Nevertheless when all the silly panic about it proves to be completely pointless similar to every other bloody variant at some point even the guardian might lose interest in screaming about the next scary variant.....
Sensei Rob said:
No, it's not a stupid idea.
It's nuanced, and I didn't feel like writing an essay. No matter, It can work:
Key workers (food production and distribution, medical staff, etc.) continue working with PPE. Police as well as the Army can patrol the streets to make sure civilians stay at home.
All shopping done online, so some staff will still need to enable that.
The banks put a hold on mortgages and loans for 8 weeks.
Yeah, there are drawbacks, of course. The alternative is what's happening right now, where people take half measures, fumble around and eff things up as normal.
Now ask yourself - would you have gone through 8 weeks of the above or do you think what we did was the better alternative?
1000s of people are needed to keep the wheels turning , who services the ambulances , who sells them fuel, who delivers the amazon crap you spend the furlough money on ? who pays the mugs that dont fit into the furlough scheme ?It's nuanced, and I didn't feel like writing an essay. No matter, It can work:
Key workers (food production and distribution, medical staff, etc.) continue working with PPE. Police as well as the Army can patrol the streets to make sure civilians stay at home.
All shopping done online, so some staff will still need to enable that.
The banks put a hold on mortgages and loans for 8 weeks.
Yeah, there are drawbacks, of course. The alternative is what's happening right now, where people take half measures, fumble around and eff things up as normal.
Now ask yourself - would you have gone through 8 weeks of the above or do you think what we did was the better alternative?
Sensei Rob said:
The mind-boggling stupidity of humans never cease to amaze me! We could literally eradicate the virus in around 8 weeks if everybody stays at home. This is as true now as it was a year ago.
But no, that's too simple. Let's carry on as normal and have this thing run rampant. Let's develop a vaccine which we can't possibly have done long-term health studies on.
Let's make this vaccine the way Rube Goldberg would - the mRNA vaccine. And when the Germans finds it's not as effective as we claim, we'll just say they're not very clever and they've done it wrong.
Let's ignore China, who not only released the virus, but developed a vaccine properly (attenuated virus). China continue to take away human rights by doing anal swabs. It's another form of control.
Let's not even talk about the high mutation rate of the virus which will mean that more vaccines will need to be developed.
Again, none of this would have happened if we all stayed at home for 8 weeks.
The irony of your 1st paragraph But no, that's too simple. Let's carry on as normal and have this thing run rampant. Let's develop a vaccine which we can't possibly have done long-term health studies on.
Let's make this vaccine the way Rube Goldberg would - the mRNA vaccine. And when the Germans finds it's not as effective as we claim, we'll just say they're not very clever and they've done it wrong.
Let's ignore China, who not only released the virus, but developed a vaccine properly (attenuated virus). China continue to take away human rights by doing anal swabs. It's another form of control.
Let's not even talk about the high mutation rate of the virus which will mean that more vaccines will need to be developed.
Again, none of this would have happened if we all stayed at home for 8 weeks.
Sensei Rob said:
Zoobeef said:
Sensei Rob said:
The mind-boggling stupidity of humans never cease to amaze me! We could literally eradicate the virus in around 8 weeks if everybody stays at home. This is as true now as it was a year ago.
But no, that's too simple. Let's carry on as normal and have this thing run rampant. Let's develop a vaccine which we can't possibly have done long-term health studies on.
Let's make this vaccine the way Rube Goldberg would - the mRNA vaccine. And when the Germans finds it's not as effective as we claim, we'll just say they're not very clever and they've done it wrong.
Let's ignore China, who not only released the virus, but developed a vaccine properly (attenuated virus). China continue to take away human rights by doing anal swabs. It's another form of control.
Let's not even talk about the high mutation rate of the virus which will mean that more vaccines will need to be developed.
Again, none of this would have happened if we all stayed at home for 8 weeks.
Do we sit at home in the dark with no food for those 8 weeks? No police on the street? No NHS running? No public transport etc etc.But no, that's too simple. Let's carry on as normal and have this thing run rampant. Let's develop a vaccine which we can't possibly have done long-term health studies on.
Let's make this vaccine the way Rube Goldberg would - the mRNA vaccine. And when the Germans finds it's not as effective as we claim, we'll just say they're not very clever and they've done it wrong.
Let's ignore China, who not only released the virus, but developed a vaccine properly (attenuated virus). China continue to take away human rights by doing anal swabs. It's another form of control.
Let's not even talk about the high mutation rate of the virus which will mean that more vaccines will need to be developed.
Again, none of this would have happened if we all stayed at home for 8 weeks.
"Stay at home for 8 weeks" is a stupid idea. As everyone can't stay at home.
It's nuanced, and I didn't feel like writing an essay. No matter, It can work:
Key workers (food production and distribution, medical staff, etc.) continue working with PPE. Police as well as the Army can patrol the streets to make sure civilians stay at home.
All shopping done online, so some staff will still need to enable that.
The banks put a hold on mortgages and loans for 8 weeks.
Yeah, there are drawbacks, of course. The alternative is what's happening right now, where people take half measures, fumble around and eff things up as normal.
Now ask yourself - would you have gone through 8 weeks of the above or do you think what we did was the better alternative?
I will accept if EVERY SINGLE PERSON stayed at home for 8 weeks, it might die out. But its NOT POSSIBLE.
Sensei Rob said:
No, it's not a stupid idea.
It's nuanced, and I didn't feel like writing an essay. No matter, It can work:
Key workers (food production and distribution, medical staff, etc.) continue working with PPE. Police as well as the Army can patrol the streets to make sure civilians stay at home.
All shopping done online, so some staff will still need to enable that.
The banks put a hold on mortgages and loans for 8 weeks.
Yeah, there are drawbacks, of course. The alternative is what's happening right now, where people take half measures, fumble around and eff things up as normal.
Now ask yourself - would you have gone through 8 weeks of the above or do you think what we did was the better alternative?
You assume that would work. It's nuanced, and I didn't feel like writing an essay. No matter, It can work:
Key workers (food production and distribution, medical staff, etc.) continue working with PPE. Police as well as the Army can patrol the streets to make sure civilians stay at home.
All shopping done online, so some staff will still need to enable that.
The banks put a hold on mortgages and loans for 8 weeks.
Yeah, there are drawbacks, of course. The alternative is what's happening right now, where people take half measures, fumble around and eff things up as normal.
Now ask yourself - would you have gone through 8 weeks of the above or do you think what we did was the better alternative?
So basically everyone stays in apart from a number bigger than the population of New Zealand to support all the people staying in? And there would be zero transmission between these millions of workers.
What do you intend to do about hospitals where such a large number of cases are originating from? Where they are all wearing PPE. Just close?
I'm all for ideas, but this is insane!
steveo3002 said:
Sensei Rob said:
No, it's not a stupid idea.
It's nuanced, and I didn't feel like writing an essay. No matter, It can work:
Key workers (food production and distribution, medical staff, etc.) continue working with PPE. Police as well as the Army can patrol the streets to make sure civilians stay at home.
All shopping done online, so some staff will still need to enable that.
The banks put a hold on mortgages and loans for 8 weeks.
Yeah, there are drawbacks, of course. The alternative is what's happening right now, where people take half measures, fumble around and eff things up as normal.
Now ask yourself - would you have gone through 8 weeks of the above or do you think what we did was the better alternative?
1000s of people are needed to keep the wheels turning , who services the ambulances , who sells them fuel, who delivers the amazon crap you spend the furlough money on ? who pays the mugs that dont fit into the furlough scheme ?It's nuanced, and I didn't feel like writing an essay. No matter, It can work:
Key workers (food production and distribution, medical staff, etc.) continue working with PPE. Police as well as the Army can patrol the streets to make sure civilians stay at home.
All shopping done online, so some staff will still need to enable that.
The banks put a hold on mortgages and loans for 8 weeks.
Yeah, there are drawbacks, of course. The alternative is what's happening right now, where people take half measures, fumble around and eff things up as normal.
Now ask yourself - would you have gone through 8 weeks of the above or do you think what we did was the better alternative?
Uggers said:
Sensei Rob said:
No, it's not a stupid idea.
It's nuanced, and I didn't feel like writing an essay. No matter, It can work:
Key workers (food production and distribution, medical staff, etc.) continue working with PPE. Police as well as the Army can patrol the streets to make sure civilians stay at home.
All shopping done online, so some staff will still need to enable that.
The banks put a hold on mortgages and loans for 8 weeks.
Yeah, there are drawbacks, of course. The alternative is what's happening right now, where people take half measures, fumble around and eff things up as normal.
Now ask yourself - would you have gone through 8 weeks of the above or do you think what we did was the better alternative?
You assume that would work. It's nuanced, and I didn't feel like writing an essay. No matter, It can work:
Key workers (food production and distribution, medical staff, etc.) continue working with PPE. Police as well as the Army can patrol the streets to make sure civilians stay at home.
All shopping done online, so some staff will still need to enable that.
The banks put a hold on mortgages and loans for 8 weeks.
Yeah, there are drawbacks, of course. The alternative is what's happening right now, where people take half measures, fumble around and eff things up as normal.
Now ask yourself - would you have gone through 8 weeks of the above or do you think what we did was the better alternative?
So basically everyone stays in apart from a number bigger than the population of New Zealand to support all the people staying in? And there would be zero transmission between these millions of workers.
What do you intend to do about hospitals where such a large number of cases are originating from? Where they are all wearing PPE. Just close?
I'm all for ideas, but this is insane!
Uggers said:
Sensei Rob said:
No, it's not a stupid idea.
It's nuanced, and I didn't feel like writing an essay. No matter, It can work:
Key workers (food production and distribution, medical staff, etc.) continue working with PPE. Police as well as the Army can patrol the streets to make sure civilians stay at home.
All shopping done online, so some staff will still need to enable that.
The banks put a hold on mortgages and loans for 8 weeks.
Yeah, there are drawbacks, of course. The alternative is what's happening right now, where people take half measures, fumble around and eff things up as normal.
Now ask yourself - would you have gone through 8 weeks of the above or do you think what we did was the better alternative?
You assume that would work. It's nuanced, and I didn't feel like writing an essay. No matter, It can work:
Key workers (food production and distribution, medical staff, etc.) continue working with PPE. Police as well as the Army can patrol the streets to make sure civilians stay at home.
All shopping done online, so some staff will still need to enable that.
The banks put a hold on mortgages and loans for 8 weeks.
Yeah, there are drawbacks, of course. The alternative is what's happening right now, where people take half measures, fumble around and eff things up as normal.
Now ask yourself - would you have gone through 8 weeks of the above or do you think what we did was the better alternative?
So basically everyone stays in apart from a number bigger than the population of New Zealand to support all the people staying in? And there would be zero transmission between these millions of workers.
What do you intend to do about hospitals where such a large number of cases are originating from? Where they are all wearing PPE. Just close?
I'm all for ideas, but this is insane!
Sensei Rob said:
Uggers said:
Sensei Rob said:
No, it's not a stupid idea.
It's nuanced, and I didn't feel like writing an essay. No matter, It can work:
Key workers (food production and distribution, medical staff, etc.) continue working with PPE. Police as well as the Army can patrol the streets to make sure civilians stay at home.
All shopping done online, so some staff will still need to enable that.
The banks put a hold on mortgages and loans for 8 weeks.
Yeah, there are drawbacks, of course. The alternative is what's happening right now, where people take half measures, fumble around and eff things up as normal.
Now ask yourself - would you have gone through 8 weeks of the above or do you think what we did was the better alternative?
You assume that would work. It's nuanced, and I didn't feel like writing an essay. No matter, It can work:
Key workers (food production and distribution, medical staff, etc.) continue working with PPE. Police as well as the Army can patrol the streets to make sure civilians stay at home.
All shopping done online, so some staff will still need to enable that.
The banks put a hold on mortgages and loans for 8 weeks.
Yeah, there are drawbacks, of course. The alternative is what's happening right now, where people take half measures, fumble around and eff things up as normal.
Now ask yourself - would you have gone through 8 weeks of the above or do you think what we did was the better alternative?
So basically everyone stays in apart from a number bigger than the population of New Zealand to support all the people staying in? And there would be zero transmission between these millions of workers.
What do you intend to do about hospitals where such a large number of cases are originating from? Where they are all wearing PPE. Just close?
I'm all for ideas, but this is insane!
Utterly mad. Im out.
garyhun said:
MikeT66 said:
I can't tell you how much I hope and pray you are right. However wrong I am reading this situation, and admitting as such online that I was wrong and fooled (as I will do if true) it would be nothing compared to the shame and despair of being right.
Probably a lot of us willing to eat humble pie as long as we return to pre-2020 normal.I’m the complete opposite. I think it would have been better to have ignored COVID completely. 1 % of the Global population would have died of some COVID related illness and the disease would quickly have reached an equilibrium. We would have some herd type immunity with it and vaccine development could have carried on just as it has anyway. I think people rights and freedoms are far more important than stopping them from dieing from one particular disease. I think this has been an experiment of Communist revolutionary proportions not within our political or economic lives but of our ACTUAL Lives.
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