CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 10)
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I had the Pfizer first dose yesterday. 41, no underlying conditions, other than mild asthma. In decent shape as well, with training 5 x per week.
I want to be able to spend time with my parents in a setting that isn't them in the conservatory and us outside. So with them vaccinated, and me as well, my view is of a belt and braces approach from that perspective.
So that was the primary driver of me accepting it.
I want to be able to spend time with my parents in a setting that isn't them in the conservatory and us outside. So with them vaccinated, and me as well, my view is of a belt and braces approach from that perspective.
So that was the primary driver of me accepting it.
Edited by TheJimi on Saturday 6th March 11:34
TheJimi said:
I want to be able to spend time with my parents in a setting that isn't them in the conservatory and us outside. So with them vaccinated, and me as well, my view is of a belt and braces approach from that perspective.
I'm genuinely not trying to be a prat here but surely once your parents had got the jab, after 3 weeks you would be pretty confident to meet them? The further risk reduction from that point of you getting the vaccine would be pretty marginal, especially as long as you didn't visit them while symptomatic. FlabbyMidgets said:
I'm in the same boat. No desire for the vaccine, under 25, no conditions, relatively healthy bar a lockdown enduced beer belly coming on.
Seeing in the news I'll likely need a vaccine to go on holiday with my mates in the summer means I'll get it begrudgingly.
It's sounding like you can travel after having had a negative test. Holidays won't be vaccine exclusive.Seeing in the news I'll likely need a vaccine to go on holiday with my mates in the summer means I'll get it begrudgingly.
A bit more hassle maybe, but not impossible, and that's what I'll be doing this summer.
isaldiri said:
TheJimi said:
I want to be able to spend time with my parents in a setting that isn't them in the conservatory and us outside. So with them vaccinated, and me as well, my view is of a belt and braces approach from that perspective.
I'm genuinely not trying to be a prat here but surely once your parents had got the jab, after 3 weeks you would be pretty confident to meet them? The further risk reduction from that point of you getting the vaccine would be pretty marginal, especially as long as you didn't visit them while symptomatic. We were meeting well before their first vaccinations and we’re all alive!
superlightr said:
and you dont mind?
I mind. I don't think I need it, I don't particularly want it. I don't feel like I'll have much choice with a job that involves visiting lots of customer sites and overseas travel.That and I really want to go and drink cocktails on a beach. My friends are of similar views
isaldiri said:
TheJimi said:
I want to be able to spend time with my parents in a setting that isn't them in the conservatory and us outside. So with them vaccinated, and me as well, my view is of a belt and braces approach from that perspective.
I'm genuinely not trying to be a prat here but surely once your parents had got the jab, after 3 weeks you would be pretty confident to meet them? The further risk reduction from that point of you getting the vaccine would be pretty marginal, especially as long as you didn't visit them while symptomatic. I wasn't actually expecting a vaccine invite, so this was something of a surprise, since I know of plenty older people, with underlying conditions who haven't had it yet.
TheJimi said:
As I say, belt & braces. I want to satisfy myself that I've reduced the risk to my parents as far as I'm able to. You might think I'm being OTT, that's cool, but from my perspective, if I can reduce the risk to my parents even further, I'll take that.
I wasn't actually expecting a vaccine invite, so this was something of a surprise, since I know of plenty older people, with underlying conditions who haven't had it yet.
Why were you offered it at 41? I didn’t think asthma was a reason, maybe I’m wrong!I wasn't actually expecting a vaccine invite, so this was something of a surprise, since I know of plenty older people, with underlying conditions who haven't had it yet.
TheJimi said:
As I say, belt & braces. I want to satisfy myself that I've reduced the risk to my parents as far as I'm able to. You might think I'm being OTT, that's cool, bit from my perspective, if I can reduce that risk to my parents even further, I'll take that.
I wasn't actually expecting a vaccine invite, so this was something of a surprise, since I know of plenty older people, with underlying conditions who haven't had it yet.
Fair enough. I can understand why you would want to further minimise risk to them when offered but i guess my point is about relative risk reduction. if you weren't unexpectedly offered the vaccine so early, would you really have waited a further 2-3 months to meet your parents, especially when it seems likely they would have got their 2nd doses before that... I wasn't actually expecting a vaccine invite, so this was something of a surprise, since I know of plenty older people, with underlying conditions who haven't had it yet.
garyhun said:
TheJimi said:
As I say, belt & braces. I want to satisfy myself that I've reduced the risk to my parents as far as I'm able to. You might think I'm being OTT, that's cool, but from my perspective, if I can reduce the risk to my parents even further, I'll take that.
I wasn't actually expecting a vaccine invite, so this was something of a surprise, since I know of plenty older people, with underlying conditions who haven't had it yet.
Why were you offered it at 41? I didn’t think asthma was a reason, maybe I’m wrong!I wasn't actually expecting a vaccine invite, so this was something of a surprise, since I know of plenty older people, with underlying conditions who haven't had it yet.
Scotland, btw
isaldiri said:
TheJimi said:
As I say, belt & braces. I want to satisfy myself that I've reduced the risk to my parents as far as I'm able to. You might think I'm being OTT, that's cool, bit from my perspective, if I can reduce that risk to my parents even further, I'll take that.
I wasn't actually expecting a vaccine invite, so this was something of a surprise, since I know of plenty older people, with underlying conditions who haven't had it yet.
Fair enough. I can understand why you would want to further minimise risk to them when offered but i guess my point is about relative risk reduction. if you weren't unexpectedly offered the vaccine so early, would you really have waited a further 2-3 months to meet your parents, especially when it seems likely they would have got their 2nd doses before that... I wasn't actually expecting a vaccine invite, so this was something of a surprise, since I know of plenty older people, with underlying conditions who haven't had it yet.
Pre jab it seemed everyone had or knew of a family member who had died of covid. It didn't matter that these people were in care homes or 90. Now we're not hearing about old people in care homes or 90 year olds dying post vaccination. Is that because they aren't dying anymore? I'm not linking vaccination with death but I am interested in whether people have stopped dying or if not, why their deaths are no longer noteworthy. In addition, has the jab done for long covid like it appears to have done for death? Stories on 30 year marathon runners reduced to shambling breathless wrecks by ling covid have gone a bit quiet too. My local obituary page (town of circa 100,000 people) is still only one page, which it has been for the past 50 years and is still typified by entries such as 'Dearly beloved X, passed peacefully aged 84 years'.
Taylor James said:
Pre jab it seemed everyone had or knew of a family member who had died of covid. It didn't matter that these people were in care homes or 90. Now we're not hearing about old people in care homes or 90 year olds dying post vaccination. Is that because they aren't dying anymore? I'm not linking vaccination with death but I am interested in whether people have stopped dying or if not, why their deaths are no longer noteworthy. In addition, has the jab done for long covid like it appears to have done for death? Stories on 30 year marathon runners reduced to shambling breathless wrecks by ling covid have gone a bit quiet too. My local obituary page (town of circa 100,000 people) is still only one page, which it has been for the past 50 years and is still typified by entries such as 'Dearly beloved X, passed peacefully aged 84 years'.
It's not a cure for entropy. The vaccine requires a functional immune system to have a protective effect. 981C said:
Taylor James said:
Pre jab it seemed everyone had or knew of a family member who had died of covid. It didn't matter that these people were in care homes or 90. Now we're not hearing about old people in care homes or 90 year olds dying post vaccination. Is that because they aren't dying anymore? I'm not linking vaccination with death but I am interested in whether people have stopped dying or if not, why their deaths are no longer noteworthy. In addition, has the jab done for long covid like it appears to have done for death? Stories on 30 year marathon runners reduced to shambling breathless wrecks by ling covid have gone a bit quiet too. My local obituary page (town of circa 100,000 people) is still only one page, which it has been for the past 50 years and is still typified by entries such as 'Dearly beloved X, passed peacefully aged 84 years'.
It's not a cure for entropy. The vaccine requires a functional immune system to have a protective effect. Taylor James said:
Yes, but my point is we heard a lot of death stories pre jab and now we.....don't. Might just be my impression but since the jab those stories seem to have, pardon the expression, died out. So are people just not interested in telling everyone about their Gran's death post jab, are Grans generally not dying anymore or all the Grans dead?
Where has scotty gone?EDIT:Why are Florida's numbers so good when they haven't virtue signa.... followed St Fauci and Emmy Winner Cuomo?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/vindication-for-ron-d...
WSJ said:
In the early months of the coronavirus pandemic, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo imposed strict lockdown policies—many still in place—and became the media’s golden boy. “The governor of New York’s morning news conferences have become part of the country’s new daily rhythm,” the Washington Post’s Style section gushed in March 2020. “He’s the strongman who can admit he’s wrong. He speaks fluently about the facts. He worries about his mother, and by extension, yours, too.”
Gov. Ron DeSantis took a different approach and was pilloried. He was among the first to lift his state lockdown, adopting something resembling Sweden’s strategy of protecting the vulnerable while keeping businesses and schools open. “Florida Man Leads His State to the Morgue,” read a June headline in the New Republic. “Ron DeSantis is the latest in a long line of Republicans who made the state a plutocratic dystopia. Now he’s letting its residents die to save the plutocrats.”
Gov. Ron DeSantis took a different approach and was pilloried. He was among the first to lift his state lockdown, adopting something resembling Sweden’s strategy of protecting the vulnerable while keeping businesses and schools open. “Florida Man Leads His State to the Morgue,” read a June headline in the New Republic. “Ron DeSantis is the latest in a long line of Republicans who made the state a plutocratic dystopia. Now he’s letting its residents die to save the plutocrats.”
Edited by Harrison Bergeron on Saturday 6th March 13:01
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