CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 10)

[anonymous-user]

Harrison Bergeron said:

Where has scotty gone?

Has he been enveloped in a black hole of fear? Am I thinking of the right chap?

[981C]

Taylor James said:

Yes, but my point is we heard a lot of death stories pre jab and now we.....don't. Might just be my impression but since the jab those stories seem to have, pardon the expression, died out. So are people just not interested in telling everyone about their Gran's death post jab, are Grans generally not dying anymore or all the Grans dead?

negative excess death in that age group now. Likely due to premature death and vaccination.

[TheJimi]

isaldiri said:

TheJimi said:

No, I think we'd have met indoors before then.

makes sense....I always did think you were fairly sensible!

Nicest thing anyone's said to me all week

[anonymous-user]

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Where has scotty gone?

Has he been enveloped in a black hole of fear? Am I thinking of the right chap?

I think he’s talking a piss in some old lady’s flower bed somewhere.

[Newc]

Seeing (uncorroborated) reports about the initial impacts of the school testing.

It seems that if the child has a positive LF test, but follows up with a PCR which is negative, then track+trace will try and insist that the entire household still has to isolate.

That's going to go well.

[bodhi]

981C said:

With a choice are people electing for Monkey Snot or mRNA?

I'm leaning towards the Monkey Snot as we have a family member who works in the plant it's made and initial reports seem to have it as slightly more effective - although to balance that out side effects seem more common, especially if you've previously had Covid.

Only one I'd be reticent to have would be the Moderna one, as some of the reports of side effects after the second dose in the US are a little concerning, but don't think we are really administering that one.

In an absolute ideal world I'd have neither, considering I've already had Covid and trust my immune system to deal with it again - sadly doesn't seem like were allowed to do that any more.

[anonymous-user]

Newc said:

Seeing (uncorroborated) reports about the initial impacts of the school testing.

It seems that if the child has a positive LF test, but follows up with a PCR which is negative, then track+trace will try and insist that the entire household still has to isolate.

That's going to go well.

Is testing mandatory?

[Alucidnation]

bodhi said:

In an absolute ideal world I'd have neither, considering I've already had Covid and trust my immune system to deal with it again - sadly doesn't seem like were allowed to do that any more.

The vaccine isn't compulsory (TFHL's, insert "yet" here).

[pincher]

garyhun said:

Is testing mandatory?

No.

[anonymous-user]

pincher said:

garyhun said:

Is testing mandatory?

No.

I think I’ve found the answer to the problem.

[sl0wlane]

What does everyone make of this, certainly adds weight to the “dry tinder” theory:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgove...

[Ntv]

sl0wlane said:

What does everyone make of this, certainly adds weight to the “dry tinder” theory:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgove...

Yes. And on top of the rate on the RHS, one has to remember a larger % of the pop are aged 60 plus now than 20-30 years ago

I assume the pandemic ran for the 13 years up tot 2003
And then came back a bit, but not as bad, last year?

[i4got]

sl0wlane said:

What does everyone make of this, certainly adds weight to the “dry tinder” theory:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgove...

Thats a really interesting set of figures. So every year from 1990 to 2010 had a higher death per 100k rate than 2020.

[Alucidnation]

i4got said:

sl0wlane said:

What does everyone make of this, certainly adds weight to the “dry tinder” theory:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgove...

Thats a really interesting set of figures. So every year from 1990 to 2010 had a higher death per 100k rate than 2020.

But what happened for it to suddenly drop off 2004> ?

[Elysium]

Updating my graphs today as the data was released late yesterday:

1. Cases and tests. Cases are still halving every 18 days, whilst tests are reaching for the stratosphere. It will be interesting to see how this changes next week with even more school LFD tests:



2. Key metrics. Cases per 100k tests also halving every 18 days, but I expect this to drop below the line next week with the addition of a great slug of very low positivity school tests. Admissions and deaths continue to fall. If anything the decline in deaths seems to be accelerating, but that could be reporting lag:







3. Metrics overlaid. Still following closely, but growth rates are interesting. Definitely lower than a couple of weeks ago.

[Ntv]

Alucidnation said:

i4got said:

sl0wlane said:

What does everyone make of this, certainly adds weight to the “dry tinder” theory:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgove...

Thats a really interesting set of figures. So every year from 1990 to 2010 had a higher death per 100k rate than 2020.

But what happened for it to suddenly drop off 2004> ?

Presumably that was the end of the early 20th century pandemic these humans talk about?

[981C]

Ntv said:

Yes. And on top of the rate on the RHS, one has to remember a larger % of the pop are aged 60 plus now than 20-30 years ago

I assume the pandemic ran for the 13 years up tot 2003
And then came back a bit, but not as bad, last year?

It's age-corrected, is it not?

[i4got]

981C said:

Ntv said:

Yes. And on top of the rate on the RHS, one has to remember a larger % of the pop are aged 60 plus now than 20-30 years ago

I assume the pandemic ran for the 13 years up tot 2003
And then came back a bit, but not as bad, last year?

It's age-corrected, is it not?

yes

[isaldiri]

981C said:

Taylor James said:

Yes, but my point is we heard a lot of death stories pre jab and now we.....don't. Might just be my impression but since the jab those stories seem to have, pardon the expression, died out. So are people just not interested in telling everyone about their Gran's death post jab, are Grans generally not dying anymore or all the Grans dead?

negative excess death in that age group now. Likely due to premature death and vaccination.

How do you come up with that?

2021 week 7 total all cause deaths for over 75s - 9261
2015-2019 week 7 total all cause deaths for over 75s - 8072

[Square Leg]

garyhun said:

pincher said:

garyhun said:

Is testing mandatory?

No.

I think I’ve found the answer to the problem.

Talking to my lad about it - told him having a test is up to him.
But, he did say if all his mates have one then he most likely will - doesn’t want to be the ‘anti vac’ kid.

I can see peer and parent (other kids parents) pressure will play a massive part in the uptake of school tests.

I’m rather hoping that the novelty for the kids having to shove a big cotton bud up their nose/ down their throats will wear off after a week or so... and that they won’t even do it properly anyway.

Edited by Square Leg on Saturday 6th March 17:42