CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 10)
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China’s Global Lockdown Propaganda Campaign
What does everyone make of this?
To me a lot of it makes sense. Looking back now, the videos coming out of China in January and February 2020 were obviously fake. Let alone the ridiculousness, the fact that they were making it out of one of the most controlled nations when the government didn't want them to should have rang alarm bells.
I remember at the time feeling as though something wasn't right about them and thinking they were probably fake, but not out right dismissing them as I do now...
Was our government and the rest of the west basically hoodwinked onto the most self destructive path in history?? Only time will tell but my god if there is any truth to this...
What does everyone make of this?
To me a lot of it makes sense. Looking back now, the videos coming out of China in January and February 2020 were obviously fake. Let alone the ridiculousness, the fact that they were making it out of one of the most controlled nations when the government didn't want them to should have rang alarm bells.
I remember at the time feeling as though something wasn't right about them and thinking they were probably fake, but not out right dismissing them as I do now...
Was our government and the rest of the west basically hoodwinked onto the most self destructive path in history?? Only time will tell but my god if there is any truth to this...
grombot said:
China’s Global Lockdown Propaganda Campaign
What does everyone make of this?
To me a lot of it makes sense. Looking back now, the videos coming out of China in January and February 2020 were obviously fake. Let alone the ridiculousness, the fact that they were making it out of one of the most controlled nations when the government didn't want them to should have rang alarm bells.
I remember at the time feeling as though something wasn't right about them and thinking they were probably fake, but not out right dismissing them as I do now...
Was our government and the rest of the west basically hoodwinked onto the most self destructive path in history?? Only time will tell but my god if there is any truth to this...
Are there any vlogs from Wuhan - either at the time, or video diaries uploaded afterwards?What does everyone make of this?
To me a lot of it makes sense. Looking back now, the videos coming out of China in January and February 2020 were obviously fake. Let alone the ridiculousness, the fact that they were making it out of one of the most controlled nations when the government didn't want them to should have rang alarm bells.
I remember at the time feeling as though something wasn't right about them and thinking they were probably fake, but not out right dismissing them as I do now...
Was our government and the rest of the west basically hoodwinked onto the most self destructive path in history?? Only time will tell but my god if there is any truth to this...
Any truth in "hundreds of thousands " of pensions not being claimed, despite their official death toll of 3,000ish
Or smog from the crematoriums operating 24/7
I find it unbelievable that lockdown worked. Not just that it wasn't leaky (in terms of transmission to nearby towns/cities), but that in house transmission (at a minimum) didn't continue- thus leading to far more deaths than claimed.
I know there are more restrictions there, but surely multiple accounts seeped through?
Their numbers are very odd indeed
EddieSteadyGo said:
f
k that. I've got a years worth of living to catch back up on. Risk from covid is small, but the risk of the vaccine is miniscule.
The moment I get the invite, I'm getting the jab. I'm desperate to get back skiing, to travel to somewhere interesting, and start living again.
Indeed no foreign travel for another two yrs ain’t a runner for me and I’m not very keen on the vaccine itself nor does it sit easily that there should be any form of coercion to take it...myself and wife have close family in two different countries (Ireland & Brazil ) so ignoring any desire to just go on a holiday being able to travel without too much hassle is a necessity at this point. I wouldn’t want my kids to take it until they’re at least 18 ( all v young still) though so at a minimum I hope u 18s can still travel regardless without. I couldn’t imagine even contemplating this stuff a yr ago but its a fk that. I've got a years worth of living to catch back up on. Risk from covid is small, but the risk of the vaccine is miniscule. The moment I get the invite, I'm getting the jab. I'm desperate to get back skiing, to travel to somewhere interesting, and start living again.
ked up world we’re living in simple as. isaldiri said:
pocty said:
I know I'll ps off isaldiri again, but like I said before old people will learn to die of old age again. 
Pocty
You would be right if 2021 death rate stays around 2020 rather than resetting to something much closer 2019. s off isaldiri again, but like I said before old people will learn to die of old age again. Pocty
Taking those into account... I feel it really brings serious questions to what we have done.
RSbandit said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
fk that. I've got a years worth of living to catch back up on. Risk from covid is small, but the risk of the vaccine is miniscule.
The moment I get the invite, I'm getting the jab. I'm desperate to get back skiing, to travel to somewhere interesting, and start living again.
Indeed no foreign travel for another two yrs ain’t a runner for me and I’m not very keen on the vaccine itself nor does it sit easily that there should be any form of coercion to take it...myself and wife have close family in two different countries (Ireland & Brazil ) so ignoring any desire to just go on a holiday being able to travel without too much hassle is a necessity at this point. I wouldn’t want my kids to take it until they’re at least 18 ( all v young still) though so at a minimum I hope u 18s can still travel regardless without. I couldn’t imagine even contemplating this stuff a yr ago but its a fk that. I've got a years worth of living to catch back up on. Risk from covid is small, but the risk of the vaccine is miniscule. The moment I get the invite, I'm getting the jab. I'm desperate to get back skiing, to travel to somewhere interesting, and start living again.
ked up world we’re living in simple as. Note that "leisure travel" is currently illegal, but they hope to lift this on one of the stage dates (12th April? 17th May?). What will have changed between now and then? Other than (further) tests being conducted and the vaccine holding its effacy I suppose, but it seems a stretch that they will suddenly stop scaring us with mutations on that date
Has SA still paused its AZ rollout? How many were vaccinated before the pause, and do we have any data? They must have had some to judge it pause-worthy, I cant recall the details though
Yes Brazil is unclear and even with vaccines it might be problematic as the whole quarantining lark simply isn’t a runner given the time involved. Supposed to travel there in July with family but if it’s still a massive faff we’ll cancel the trip I’d imagine. Even with the vaccine rollout and the proposed roadmap I still have low level anxiety about the whole thing as I don’t particularly have much faith in a govt who’ve given themselves plenty of wiggle room and potential excuses to push things back further. Some of the Sage members would keep us under restrictions for months more if they had their way ...
Cold said:
The UK appears to be coming out of this pandemic yet some are keen to jump on a plane and "escape" - often to countries where they haven't got a hold on the virus. This confuses me.
Because 99.3% of people will not have any issues with covid, and want to get back on with their lives.....Steve vRS said:
No positive tests at my children’s high school of 2000 pupils nor at a school where a friend is the head of 1000 kids. This is the Cheshire and Manchester region. So either the tests are all fixed or the virus has gone.
Same at teacher daughter’s school in a Cheshire town. 1600 and no positives. Covid is still fairly high in the area the school is in.Funny username said:
Cold said:
The UK appears to be coming out of this pandemic yet some are keen to jump on a plane and "escape" - often to countries where they haven't got a hold on the virus. This confuses me.
Because 99.3% of people will not have any issues with covid, and want to get back on with their lives.....Would quite like a few days away again right now if it wasn’t for all the messing around with testing.
grombot said:
China’s Global Lockdown Propaganda Campaign
What does everyone make of this?
To me a lot of it makes sense. Looking back now, the videos coming out of China in January and February 2020 were obviously fake. Let alone the ridiculousness, the fact that they were making it out of one of the most controlled nations when the government didn't want them to should have rang alarm bells.
I remember at the time feeling as though something wasn't right about them and thinking they were probably fake, but not out right dismissing them as I do now...
Was our government and the rest of the west basically hoodwinked onto the most self destructive path in history?? Only time will tell but my god if there is any truth to this...
Interesting read, and deserves sharing. What does everyone make of this?
To me a lot of it makes sense. Looking back now, the videos coming out of China in January and February 2020 were obviously fake. Let alone the ridiculousness, the fact that they were making it out of one of the most controlled nations when the government didn't want them to should have rang alarm bells.
I remember at the time feeling as though something wasn't right about them and thinking they were probably fake, but not out right dismissing them as I do now...
Was our government and the rest of the west basically hoodwinked onto the most self destructive path in history?? Only time will tell but my god if there is any truth to this...
pocty said:
i4got said:
sl0wlane said:
What does everyone make of this, certainly adds weight to the “dry tinder” theory:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgove...
Thats a really interesting set of figures. So every year from 1990 to 2010 had a higher death per 100k rate than 2020.https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgove...
s off isaldiri again, but like I said before old people will learn to die of old age again. Pocty
Covid is basically killing the people who would have died of the flu as was obvious in mid 2020.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
grombot said:
China’s Global Lockdown Propaganda Campaign
What does everyone make of this?
To me a lot of it makes sense. Looking back now, the videos coming out of China in January and February 2020 were obviously fake. Let alone the ridiculousness, the fact that they were making it out of one of the most controlled nations when the government didn't want them to should have rang alarm bells.
I remember at the time feeling as though something wasn't right about them and thinking they were probably fake, but not out right dismissing them as I do now...
Was our government and the rest of the west basically hoodwinked onto the most self destructive path in history?? Only time will tell but my god if there is any truth to this...
Interesting read, and deserves sharing. What does everyone make of this?
To me a lot of it makes sense. Looking back now, the videos coming out of China in January and February 2020 were obviously fake. Let alone the ridiculousness, the fact that they were making it out of one of the most controlled nations when the government didn't want them to should have rang alarm bells.
I remember at the time feeling as though something wasn't right about them and thinking they were probably fake, but not out right dismissing them as I do now...
Was our government and the rest of the west basically hoodwinked onto the most self destructive path in history?? Only time will tell but my god if there is any truth to this...
"Initially, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson also opted for herd immunity. But on March 13, suspicious accounts began storming his Twitter feed and likening his plan to genocide. This language almost never appears in Johnson’s feed before March 12, and several of the accounts were hardly active before then. Britain locked down on March 23."
I did hear something last year about fake accounts and a surge of this type of thing happening in Italy.
All I can ask is what the hell?
If these accounts were fake etc surely the government knew.
Thin White Duke said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
grombot said:
China’s Global Lockdown Propaganda Campaign
What does everyone make of this?
To me a lot of it makes sense. Looking back now, the videos coming out of China in January and February 2020 were obviously fake. Let alone the ridiculousness, the fact that they were making it out of one of the most controlled nations when the government didn't want them to should have rang alarm bells.
I remember at the time feeling as though something wasn't right about them and thinking they were probably fake, but not out right dismissing them as I do now...
Was our government and the rest of the west basically hoodwinked onto the most self destructive path in history?? Only time will tell but my god if there is any truth to this...
Interesting read, and deserves sharing. What does everyone make of this?
To me a lot of it makes sense. Looking back now, the videos coming out of China in January and February 2020 were obviously fake. Let alone the ridiculousness, the fact that they were making it out of one of the most controlled nations when the government didn't want them to should have rang alarm bells.
I remember at the time feeling as though something wasn't right about them and thinking they were probably fake, but not out right dismissing them as I do now...
Was our government and the rest of the west basically hoodwinked onto the most self destructive path in history?? Only time will tell but my god if there is any truth to this...
"Initially, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson also opted for herd immunity. But on March 13, suspicious accounts began storming his Twitter feed and likening his plan to genocide. This language almost never appears in Johnson’s feed before March 12, and several of the accounts were hardly active before then. Britain locked down on March 23."
I did hear something last year about fake accounts and a surge of this type of thing happening in Italy.
All I can ask is what the hell?
If these accounts were fake etc surely the government knew.
There was good reason for caution back in March as it was unclear how dangerous the virus could be. Then people start panic buying, the news report on all of this and it takes on a life of its own.
Thin White Duke said:
From the article:
"Initially, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson also opted for herd immunity. But on March 13, suspicious accounts began storming his Twitter feed and likening his plan to genocide. This language almost never appears in Johnson’s feed before March 12, and several of the accounts were hardly active before then. Britain locked down on March 23."
I did hear something last year about fake accounts and a surge of this type of thing happening in Italy.
All I can ask is what the hell?
If these accounts were fake etc surely the government knew.
I am not one for conspiracy theories but it is on public record that Johnson and Vallance did indeed talk about herd immunity right at the beginning."Initially, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson also opted for herd immunity. But on March 13, suspicious accounts began storming his Twitter feed and likening his plan to genocide. This language almost never appears in Johnson’s feed before March 12, and several of the accounts were hardly active before then. Britain locked down on March 23."
I did hear something last year about fake accounts and a surge of this type of thing happening in Italy.
All I can ask is what the hell?
If these accounts were fake etc surely the government knew.
Rather than the tweets, my take is that he finally got round to looking at some of the models that has been prepared and saw that potentially 500k could die.
Clearly, he didn’t want to be responsible for that on his watch as the optics would not look great and his legacy would be tainted- no politician wants to see that.
Rather than question and challenge the models, for fear of showing his ignorance, he decided to “follow the science” which would give him the ability to through them under the bus as required and save his legacy.
And here we are now.
Boringvolvodriver said:
Thin White Duke said:
From the article:
"Initially, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson also opted for herd immunity. But on March 13, suspicious accounts began storming his Twitter feed and likening his plan to genocide. This language almost never appears in Johnson’s feed before March 12, and several of the accounts were hardly active before then. Britain locked down on March 23."
I did hear something last year about fake accounts and a surge of this type of thing happening in Italy.
All I can ask is what the hell?
If these accounts were fake etc surely the government knew.
I am not one for conspiracy theories but it is on public record that Johnson and Vallance did indeed talk about herd immunity right at the beginning."Initially, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson also opted for herd immunity. But on March 13, suspicious accounts began storming his Twitter feed and likening his plan to genocide. This language almost never appears in Johnson’s feed before March 12, and several of the accounts were hardly active before then. Britain locked down on March 23."
I did hear something last year about fake accounts and a surge of this type of thing happening in Italy.
All I can ask is what the hell?
If these accounts were fake etc surely the government knew.
Rather than the tweets, my take is that he finally got round to looking at some of the models that has been prepared and saw that potentially 500k could die.
Clearly, he didn’t want to be responsible for that on his watch as the optics would not look great and his legacy would be tainted- no politician wants to see that.
Rather than question and challenge the models, for fear of showing his ignorance, he decided to “follow the science” which would give him the ability to through them under the bus as required and save his legacy.
And here we are now.
No reasoned debate, just people shouting about the scary virus.
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