CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 10)
Discussion
survivalist said:
Agreed. The problem with that is the scientists cottoned on to him and started becoming more and more risk averse. It’s how we’ve ended up where we are.
No reasoned debate, just people shouting about the scary virus.
Exactly- and even more so after Johnson had his own near death experience with the virus.No reasoned debate, just people shouting about the scary virus.
Alucidnation said:
Steve vRS said:
Yep. Boris didn’t want to be seen as presiding over a pile of dead people.
I doubt anyone would.I do remember Johnson before policy changed saying that people would sadly die before their time but that herd immunity was the way forward. There then followed a series of very abrupt U turns that would have made Russ Swift proud!
survivalist said:
Boringvolvodriver said:
Thin White Duke said:
From the article:
"Initially, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson also opted for herd immunity. But on March 13, suspicious accounts began storming his Twitter feed and likening his plan to genocide. This language almost never appears in Johnson’s feed before March 12, and several of the accounts were hardly active before then. Britain locked down on March 23."
I did hear something last year about fake accounts and a surge of this type of thing happening in Italy.
All I can ask is what the hell?
If these accounts were fake etc surely the government knew.
I am not one for conspiracy theories but it is on public record that Johnson and Vallance did indeed talk about herd immunity right at the beginning."Initially, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson also opted for herd immunity. But on March 13, suspicious accounts began storming his Twitter feed and likening his plan to genocide. This language almost never appears in Johnson’s feed before March 12, and several of the accounts were hardly active before then. Britain locked down on March 23."
I did hear something last year about fake accounts and a surge of this type of thing happening in Italy.
All I can ask is what the hell?
If these accounts were fake etc surely the government knew.
Rather than the tweets, my take is that he finally got round to looking at some of the models that has been prepared and saw that potentially 500k could die.
Clearly, he didn’t want to be responsible for that on his watch as the optics would not look great and his legacy would be tainted- no politician wants to see that.
Rather than question and challenge the models, for fear of showing his ignorance, he decided to “follow the science” which would give him the ability to through them under the bus as required and save his legacy.
And here we are now.
No reasoned debate, just people shouting about the scary virus.
But why are we still in lockdown now and why the long winding road out of it? Is it just to appease the Karen's?
sl0wlane said:
How many excess deaths were caused by policy? The blanket DNRs could account for 10-20k? The care home seeding? 10-20k? Untreated other illnesses and home deaths? 10k-20k?
Taking those into account... I feel it really brings serious questions to what we have done.
A lot probably were in the first wave. The very large numbers of noncovid excess deaths strongly suggest that. The measures we did use were badly targeted and mostly rather ineffective plus has stored up some fairly large issues to put it mildly for the future, no question about that.Taking those into account... I feel it really brings serious questions to what we have done.
But it's an unrelated point to what pocty is saying. He says old people will learn to die again which suggests a permanent resetting of 2020 death rates to ~10% higher than 2011-2019 in future. I don't see any reason why that will be the case rather than settling back to 2019 levels.
isaldiri said:
981C said:
Nothing inherently risky about the technology behind the mRNA types?
Why would it be? MRNA or gm monkey sniffle/human sniffle/moth cell etc, I honestly don't see what the big deal about mRNA is vs any of the other next gen ones.
k all about big pharma. Boringvolvodriver said:
I am not one for conspiracy theories but it is on public record that Johnson and Vallance did indeed talk about herd immunity right at the beginning.
Rather than the tweets, my take is that he finally got round to looking at some of the models that has been prepared and saw that potentially 500k could die.
Clearly, he didn’t want to be responsible for that on his watch as the optics would not look great and his legacy would be tainted- no politician wants to see that.
Rather than question and challenge the models, for fear of showing his ignorance, he decided to “follow the science” which would give him the ability to through them under the bus as required and save his legacy.
And here we are now.
Don’t often agree with you but that’s my take also, allowing Cheltenham and the Liverpool v Athletico game convinced me at the time that Johnson was going for herd. Equally the decision to send people back into care homes demonstrates how muddled the thinking was, then as now. Rather than the tweets, my take is that he finally got round to looking at some of the models that has been prepared and saw that potentially 500k could die.
Clearly, he didn’t want to be responsible for that on his watch as the optics would not look great and his legacy would be tainted- no politician wants to see that.
Rather than question and challenge the models, for fear of showing his ignorance, he decided to “follow the science” which would give him the ability to through them under the bus as required and save his legacy.
And here we are now.
Boringvolvodriver said:
survivalist said:
Agreed. The problem with that is the scientists cottoned on to him and started becoming more and more risk averse. It’s how we’ve ended up where we are.
No reasoned debate, just people shouting about the scary virus.
Exactly- and even more so after Johnson had his own near death experience with the virus.No reasoned debate, just people shouting about the scary virus.
His actions contributed to his illness which has negatively affected 67m of us!
grombot said:
China’s Global Lockdown Propaganda Campaign
What does everyone make of this?
To me a lot of it makes sense. Looking back now, the videos coming out of China in January and February 2020 were obviously fake. Let alone the ridiculousness, the fact that they were making it out of one of the most controlled nations when the government didn't want them to should have rang alarm bells.
I remember at the time feeling as though something wasn't right about them and thinking they were probably fake, but not out right dismissing them as I do now...
Was our government and the rest of the west basically hoodwinked onto the most self destructive path in history?? Only time will tell but my god if there is any truth to this...
Very good article, and yes I think it makes sense. Everything from the WHOs response and sudden adoption of lockdowns to how China is now storming ahead economically while the west argues about furlough payments says it all really. The west got played extremely well and is still nowhere near out of the woods psychologically as we now have a Covid / lockdown religion that'll be very hard to stop. What does everyone make of this?
To me a lot of it makes sense. Looking back now, the videos coming out of China in January and February 2020 were obviously fake. Let alone the ridiculousness, the fact that they were making it out of one of the most controlled nations when the government didn't want them to should have rang alarm bells.
I remember at the time feeling as though something wasn't right about them and thinking they were probably fake, but not out right dismissing them as I do now...
Was our government and the rest of the west basically hoodwinked onto the most self destructive path in history?? Only time will tell but my god if there is any truth to this...
Edited by tigamilla on Sunday 7th March 11:21
Thin White Duke said:
From the article:
"Initially, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson also opted for herd immunity. But on March 13, suspicious accounts began storming his Twitter feed and likening his plan to genocide. This language almost never appears in Johnson’s feed before March 12, and several of the accounts were hardly active before then. Britain locked down on March 23."
I did hear something last year about fake accounts and a surge of this type of thing happening in Italy.
All I can ask is what the hell?
If these accounts were fake etc surely the government knew.
How would the government know? I have plenty of acquaintances who are so easily led that they just jump on whatever bandwagon is fashionable - their Facebook feeds are quite toxic at times, full of bile and hatred (or overweening praise and adulation - never a middle ground) on topics about which I am absolutely certain they have not the first clue. A quick glance the any suburb with identical white Audis on the drive driven by people toting identical Apple iPhones equally shows the power of persuasion."Initially, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson also opted for herd immunity. But on March 13, suspicious accounts began storming his Twitter feed and likening his plan to genocide. This language almost never appears in Johnson’s feed before March 12, and several of the accounts were hardly active before then. Britain locked down on March 23."
I did hear something last year about fake accounts and a surge of this type of thing happening in Italy.
All I can ask is what the hell?
If these accounts were fake etc surely the government knew.
One or two "influencers" paid off to start things going, fake accounts to keep the momentum and you have no way to sort the wheat from the chaff. I am certain that amongst any astroturfing there would be enough real people that no-one could confidently say "this campaign is fake".
Flooble said:
Thin White Duke said:
From the article:
"Initially, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson also opted for herd immunity. But on March 13, suspicious accounts began storming his Twitter feed and likening his plan to genocide. This language almost never appears in Johnson’s feed before March 12, and several of the accounts were hardly active before then. Britain locked down on March 23."
I did hear something last year about fake accounts and a surge of this type of thing happening in Italy.
All I can ask is what the hell?
If these accounts were fake etc surely the government knew.
How would the government know? I have plenty of acquaintances who are so easily led that they just jump on whatever bandwagon is fashionable - their Facebook feeds are quite toxic at times, full of bile and hatred (or overweening praise and adulation - never a middle ground) on topics about which I am absolutely certain they have not the first clue. A quick glance the any suburb with identical white Audis on the drive driven by people toting identical Apple iPhones equally shows the power of persuasion."Initially, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson also opted for herd immunity. But on March 13, suspicious accounts began storming his Twitter feed and likening his plan to genocide. This language almost never appears in Johnson’s feed before March 12, and several of the accounts were hardly active before then. Britain locked down on March 23."
I did hear something last year about fake accounts and a surge of this type of thing happening in Italy.
All I can ask is what the hell?
If these accounts were fake etc surely the government knew.
One or two "influencers" paid off to start things going, fake accounts to keep the momentum and you have no way to sort the wheat from the chaff. I am certain that amongst any astroturfing there would be enough real people that no-one could confidently say "this campaign is fake".
Possibly a turning point in history though, with China now having more influence than the US over the future.
Ashfordian said:
Boringvolvodriver said:
survivalist said:
Agreed. The problem with that is the scientists cottoned on to him and started becoming more and more risk averse. It’s how we’ve ended up where we are.
No reasoned debate, just people shouting about the scary virus.
Exactly- and even more so after Johnson had his own near death experience with the virus.No reasoned debate, just people shouting about the scary virus.
His actions contributed to his illness which has negatively affected 67m of us!
Alucidnation said:
So, as well as it all being the fault of Boris anyway, it's now even more his fault because he got ill with the virus?
He has admitted (can't remember where I saw I) that his personal experience with getting ill had a pretty big impact on the response. So yes in a way, if he hadn't got ill, we might have taken a somewhat different approach. A test to verify that you have been tested for Covid is being trialled in a care home in the UK, and is funded by an Innovate UK government grant.
https://www.biometricupdate.com/202103/uk-care-fac...
https://www.biometricupdate.com/202103/uk-care-fac...
steveT350C said:
A test to verify that you have been tested for Covid is being trialled in a care home in the UK, and is funded by an Innovate UK government grant.
https://www.biometricupdate.com/202103/uk-care-fac...
I'm looking forward to when I can be vaccinated against tests that tested for whether I'd had a test. That will be the game changer that allows a return to normal. https://www.biometricupdate.com/202103/uk-care-fac...
tigamilla said:
Alucidnation said:
So, as well as it all being the fault of Boris anyway, it's now even more his fault because he got ill with the virus?
He has admitted (can't remember where I saw I) that his personal experience with getting ill had a pretty big impact on the response. So yes in a way, if he hadn't got ill, we might have taken a somewhat different approach. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff