CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 10)
Discussion
Carrot said:
Toyoda said:
anonymous said:
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Indeed. Yet today there's plenty discussion at work of parents complying with having swabs shoved up their teenage schoolkids noses and down their throats despite none of it being mandatory. How long have we got before that nonsense disappears? Any parent that joins in this sick form of child abuse, I have no interest in associating. If they offer it to their child and explains the risks in a neutral manner, that is fine and then up to the child. But these are actually forcing them to do it.
Just disgusting. Makes me sick.
We have similar with a close friend of ours, and whilst we don't agree with it, we certainly wouldn't fall out over it.
What I find crazy. The people shouting about schools are unsafe and we must keep kids at home. Tend to people who take full families to supermarkets and round mates house.
Thankfully the large majority of my friendship group are happy with kids going back. Bar the one nutter who is a quite well respected scientist. But this is mainly due to everything the government doing is wrong and only sage and science can save us.
Thankfully the large majority of my friendship group are happy with kids going back. Bar the one nutter who is a quite well respected scientist. But this is mainly due to everything the government doing is wrong and only sage and science can save us.
Interestingly, the Sunday Times ran a story about 2000 people/families taking a group action against the Govt to force a public inquiry into the handling of Covid - in their case because not enough was allegedly done, but I think it could cut the other way too, so support this idea.
I think there is now little doubt that the fig leave the Govt is now hiding behind is to 'be seen' to minimise risk and to be 'responsible' around Covid to be bitter end, and that all these remaining restrictions and measures are only about a*se covering and appearances sake only, yet the rest of us have to suffer until this ugly charade reaches its end... Sick isn't the word!
I think there is now little doubt that the fig leave the Govt is now hiding behind is to 'be seen' to minimise risk and to be 'responsible' around Covid to be bitter end, and that all these remaining restrictions and measures are only about a*se covering and appearances sake only, yet the rest of us have to suffer until this ugly charade reaches its end... Sick isn't the word!
anonymous said:
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Ok... Colour me confused here.As I understand it, MSOAs are all meant to have roughly the same population (c 7000?) - is that correct?
Taking the area around Northam in North Devon on your example, there's one area coloured green, which presumably is a localised cluster of cases with the rest white. Why isn't the layer above yellow rather than green? They don't appear to be taking the worst in the area to make the upper tier, as it also shows a plague pit around Honiton at MSOA level, but appears green at regional level. Any idea how the level is derived?
Is it just that the green band perhaps needs to be more granular?
Edit to add - Scottish data isn't available on the zoom on the national map, but Public Health Scotland publish it here, albeit with slightly different date boundaries - https://public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/... - have a look at Dumfries & Galloway - green on the national map, but other than a small outbreak around Sanquhar, the entire county is Covid free. Same with the Borders. Both would now be Tier Zero under the previous set of parameters.
Even areas of Glasgow and Lanarkshire are now showing suppressed. So it's just the sort of message of hope that needs a Devi Sridhar comment to dampen it - https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola... - we're f
ked.Edited by alangla on Monday 8th March 10:44
sl0wlane said:
Comments about what you might expect from an obscure conspiracy looking site;
isaldiri said:
I think the response shows people (as has been the case for months) simply reading what they want from news articles.
Is it possible the impact of respiratory illnesses is greater next winter? Imo yes, particularly flu. However there is a big difference between bad flu winter (20-30k excess deaths) and whatever covid has done. Even a bad flu winter in recent memory has never got even close to the number of icu patients being treated for respiratory illnesses (twice).
so stating the obvious that the impact of flu might be considerable is not anything fearmongering or controversial as the people desperate for lockdowns to continue are jumping on it to claim it's eternal lockdown.
Obviously that article slightly discounts that we have wiped out 100k-ish older people so there should be less people to get impacted but it doesn't change that for everyone else it's entirely possible it might be a worse winter than normal.
Just thinking about this - is it not the case that even though flu hasn't been around for 12 months or so, our immune systems will still know roughly how to deal with it through T-Cell response from previous infections / vaccination? So whilst there is every chance of it being a worse flu season next winter, unless there is a "novel" flu virus going round that completely evades the protection we already have we should be ok? Or is my understanding a little simplistic? Is it possible the impact of respiratory illnesses is greater next winter? Imo yes, particularly flu. However there is a big difference between bad flu winter (20-30k excess deaths) and whatever covid has done. Even a bad flu winter in recent memory has never got even close to the number of icu patients being treated for respiratory illnesses (twice).
so stating the obvious that the impact of flu might be considerable is not anything fearmongering or controversial as the people desperate for lockdowns to continue are jumping on it to claim it's eternal lockdown.
Obviously that article slightly discounts that we have wiped out 100k-ish older people so there should be less people to get impacted but it doesn't change that for everyone else it's entirely possible it might be a worse winter than normal.
Honestly from what I've been reading it's not the effect on the adult population's immune system we should be concerned about - it's the kids who have been kept off school for months unable to socialise with their friends. Growing up seems to be when the bulk of the immune system gets "trained", through all the bugs going round school, getting dirty playing etc etc. Wrapping the kids in cotton wool for that long surely must be affecting their development - not just socially and academically, but medically as well in terms of protection against bugs they aren't building up.
Maybe it's just my experience from growing up, but it seems like we are storing up and fairly nasty RSV - or even worse Epstein-Barr outbreak in the kids we've been trying to protect? I had Glandular Fever when I was 9, and I wasn't really fully fit again for 18 months, then had another relapse at University, costing me a year. A wave of that spreading round the country doesn't really bear thinking about imo.
bodhi said:
Just thinking about this - is it not the case that even though flu hasn't been around for 12 months or so, our immune systems will still know roughly how to deal with it through T-Cell response from previous infections / vaccination? So whilst there is every chance of it being a worse flu season next winter, unless there is a "novel" flu virus going round that completely evades the protection we already have we should be ok? Or is my understanding a little simplistic?
Honestly from what I've been reading it's not the effect on the adult population's immune system we should be concerned about - it's the kids who have been kept off school for months unable to socialise with their friends. Growing up seems to be when the bulk of the immune system gets "trained", through all the bugs going round school, getting dirty playing etc etc. Wrapping the kids in cotton wool for that long surely must be affecting their development - not just socially and academically, but medically as well in terms of protection against bugs they aren't building up.
Maybe it's just my experience from growing up, but it seems like we are storing up and fairly nasty RSV - or even worse Epstein-Barr outbreak in the kids we've been trying to protect? I had Glandular Fever when I was 9, and I wasn't really fully fit again for 18 months, then had another relapse at University, costing me a year. A wave of that spreading round the country doesn't really bear thinking about imo.
I had Glandular fever in the late 80s, and again about 7 years later; awful, Icould barely move, and thought I was dying. Covid last year wasn't much worse than mild flu. Of course, influenza and glandular fever aren't covid, thus are unimportant.Honestly from what I've been reading it's not the effect on the adult population's immune system we should be concerned about - it's the kids who have been kept off school for months unable to socialise with their friends. Growing up seems to be when the bulk of the immune system gets "trained", through all the bugs going round school, getting dirty playing etc etc. Wrapping the kids in cotton wool for that long surely must be affecting their development - not just socially and academically, but medically as well in terms of protection against bugs they aren't building up.
Maybe it's just my experience from growing up, but it seems like we are storing up and fairly nasty RSV - or even worse Epstein-Barr outbreak in the kids we've been trying to protect? I had Glandular Fever when I was 9, and I wasn't really fully fit again for 18 months, then had another relapse at University, costing me a year. A wave of that spreading round the country doesn't really bear thinking about imo.
Sahjahd said:
I had Glandular fever in the late 80s, and again about 7 years later; awful, Icould barely move, and thought I was dying. Covid last year wasn't much worse than mild flu. Of course, influenza and glandular fever aren't covid, thus are unimportant.
Indeed. I remember flu very well in my mid twenties, a severe bout of it, my housemate found me on the floor of the kitchen having dragged myself downstairs to try and get water from the sink. Ambulance called, dealt with on site. Took me weeks to fully get over it. Have never felt so ill in my life, wanted to die at the time.Norovirus twice - both times bedridden apart from dragging myself to the toilet for everything to come out. Second time couldn't eat or hold food down for a month properly afterwards, and still have an aversion to some foods for no real reason.
Covid - didn't notice. Only came up on a positive test.
Long flue and Long Noro wasn't a thing of course, it wasn't popular enough...
baptistsan said:
Don't disagree with this.
What worries me is; my daughter has been tested, she chose to have it done. She's told me that kids are now using Covid to bully each other ffs
'You're a Covid spreader' is the new 'You smell of wee'. So another unintended consequence of all of this bs. To all that have contributed to this madness, thanks ever so much for giving my child something else to bloody worry about 
Who could have predicted such a thing?What worries me is; my daughter has been tested, she chose to have it done. She's told me that kids are now using Covid to bully each other ffs
'You're a Covid spreader' is the new 'You smell of wee'. So another unintended consequence of all of this bs. To all that have contributed to this madness, thanks ever so much for giving my child something else to bloody worry about Only the "conspiracy theorists", apparently.
Taylor James said:
p1stonhead said:
What about the crux of the claim? There are mad comments on all platforms but it doesn't seem to stop them being used to support or contradict arguments.anonymous said:
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One of the biggest issues with the budget is that Sunak has allowed next to nothing for ongoing covid healthcare. That either means: (a) they are hiding the inevitable tax increases until the November spending round or (b) they know that its mostly bks and have no intention of continuing with the ongoing covid insanity. You can make a decent case for either. Meantime, most people are doing what they like. As soon as anything indoor related is permitted, it's all over. I have had a fairly liberating couple of weeks and feel all the better for it. I am now off to a couple of face to face meetings which I regard as being essential. bern said:
Colour me shocked, I’ve had a reply, via email(!) from my MP regarding vaccine passports. All I can see there is passports will be conditional with ‘freedoms’ being allowed by Boris Un Jong on the 21st June.
Happy to be wrong but I can only see this going one way.
Some of us told you all 6 months ago. We were called conspiracy theorists.Happy to be wrong but I can only see this going one way.
So today marks a big day for Northern Ireland. Certain age groups of children are back in school after having been off since before Christmas.
Today is the day that the elected muppets give permission for baby equipment shops, clothing shops, footwear shops, and electrical goods shops to trade again via contactless click-and-collect services only.
Also today, outdoor gatherings limited to 10 people from a maximum of 2 households, become legal.
Meanwhile 5 (yes five) people across the whole of Northern Ireland were admitted to hospital yesterday with Covid. The same level as last summer when we were eating in restaurants and going on holiday, only back then no-one was vaccinated.
Currently 30% of the NI population have been vaccinated.
Today is the day that the elected muppets give permission for baby equipment shops, clothing shops, footwear shops, and electrical goods shops to trade again via contactless click-and-collect services only.
Also today, outdoor gatherings limited to 10 people from a maximum of 2 households, become legal.
Meanwhile 5 (yes five) people across the whole of Northern Ireland were admitted to hospital yesterday with Covid. The same level as last summer when we were eating in restaurants and going on holiday, only back then no-one was vaccinated.
Currently 30% of the NI population have been vaccinated.
Jordan210 said:
What I find crazy. The people shouting about schools are unsafe and we must keep kids at home. Tend to people who take full families to supermarkets and round mates house.
Thankfully the large majority of my friendship group are happy with kids going back. Bar the one nutter who is a quite well respected scientist. But this is mainly due to everything the government doing is wrong and only sage and science can save us.
And your checked research papers and findings on this please... 'tend'....what to make unbiased assumptions based on a sequence of events that are unchecked ? really ? Thankfully the large majority of my friendship group are happy with kids going back. Bar the one nutter who is a quite well respected scientist. But this is mainly due to everything the government doing is wrong and only sage and science can save us.
come on...
Carrot said:
Sahjahd said:
I had Glandular fever in the late 80s, and again about 7 years later; awful, Icould barely move, and thought I was dying. Covid last year wasn't much worse than mild flu. Of course, influenza and glandular fever aren't covid, thus are unimportant.
Indeed. I remember flu very well in my mid twenties, a severe bout of it, my housemate found me on the floor of the kitchen having dragged myself downstairs to try and get water from the sink. Ambulance called, dealt with on site. Took me weeks to fully get over it. Have never felt so ill in my life, wanted to die at the time.Norovirus twice - both times bedridden apart from dragging myself to the toilet for everything to come out. Second time couldn't eat or hold food down for a month properly afterwards, and still have an aversion to some foods for no real reason.
Covid - didn't notice. Only came up on a positive test.
Long flue and Long Noro wasn't a thing of course, it wasn't popular enough...
the 'vid isnt as badass as the 'flue' or noro... ? hardly worth talking about?
yeah...
Great article by Tim Stanley in the Telegraph today. Nails the essence of the covid madness:-
Never mind that the statistical likelihood of them dropping dead is incredibly low: popular reaction to Covid has been a lesson in the power of animal instinct and how swiftly it is transmitted to the top of the state, directing policy the way that nerve endings send messages to the brain. Remember: the Government was slow to impose the first lockdown because it worried about “behavioural fatigue” leading to non-compliance. Not only was it wrong but I suspect that in the future it’ll be slow to lift anti-Covid measures because it senses that many of us rather like them.
If you’ve ever wondered how civilised societies succumb to fascism or communism, now you know. Emergency. Panic. Control. Some readers will find it distasteful to compare lockdown Britain to Lenin or Mussolini, but even if the justification for our pandemic response operated on a far higher moral plain, the result was still totalitarian in structure. Think about it. An entire population was banned from going out. The economy was controlled by the Government. Protesters were arrested.
There were nights when people stood outside their front doors to applaud the heroes of coronavirus labour, an act of cathartic mass participation that was never mandated but was policed by ordinary men and women – the frighteningly keen enforcers of lockdown, happy to shop neighbours to the police for breaking the rules. Journalists were permitted free speech, which was nice, but we were warned of its consequences, that our words could kill others or lead to our ostracism from polite society. Never in my lifetime has speaking one’s mind felt so dangerous.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/08/era-co...
Never mind that the statistical likelihood of them dropping dead is incredibly low: popular reaction to Covid has been a lesson in the power of animal instinct and how swiftly it is transmitted to the top of the state, directing policy the way that nerve endings send messages to the brain. Remember: the Government was slow to impose the first lockdown because it worried about “behavioural fatigue” leading to non-compliance. Not only was it wrong but I suspect that in the future it’ll be slow to lift anti-Covid measures because it senses that many of us rather like them.
If you’ve ever wondered how civilised societies succumb to fascism or communism, now you know. Emergency. Panic. Control. Some readers will find it distasteful to compare lockdown Britain to Lenin or Mussolini, but even if the justification for our pandemic response operated on a far higher moral plain, the result was still totalitarian in structure. Think about it. An entire population was banned from going out. The economy was controlled by the Government. Protesters were arrested.
There were nights when people stood outside their front doors to applaud the heroes of coronavirus labour, an act of cathartic mass participation that was never mandated but was policed by ordinary men and women – the frighteningly keen enforcers of lockdown, happy to shop neighbours to the police for breaking the rules. Journalists were permitted free speech, which was nice, but we were warned of its consequences, that our words could kill others or lead to our ostracism from polite society. Never in my lifetime has speaking one’s mind felt so dangerous.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/08/era-co...
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