CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 10)

[Brainpox]

V8 Stang said:

Brainpox said:

anonymous said:

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You sound mental. Operations are delayed because there are no staff to perform them, or space to recover, or treat patients if there are procedural complications. Yes the 10 year old (and her mother two weeks after) died of covid.

Patients were catching covid in hospitals because there are so many 'red' patients there isn't enough space to segregate them from 'green' properly. Screening at the door was unreliable, you have to wait for a test result - which could still be wrong. So A&E departments were made 'amber', with patients mixing, so staff could try treating patients rather than endlessly move them around. That's how bad it was.

You haven't got a clue, honestly. If you're sick of being stuck at home, covid wards are still after bank staff.

Yet they have the staff for non critical operations!

A colleague at work's wife had a boob job operation completed this week. Which i find staggering, while all these people with life critical operations are cancelled....

I wonder if its something to do with it was a paid for operation.............

That would be a fair point, if the team doing the boob job could also do risky invasive surgeries.

[SS2.]

Harrison Bergeron said:

Wow does Guru Murthy come across as a right there and he’s got fk all to say when Sir Walker talks about how many people die every year. Truth hurts eh Krishnan?

He was totally owned by Sir Charles Walker.

Another refreshing dose of sanity from the MP - a crying shame there aren't more like him.

[ucb]

320d is all you need said:

ucb said:

Our hospital admissions have fallen quite markedly over the past 3 weeks (done to 10 or so a day from 30+) and our total number of COVID patients on ITU have halved although I can’t tell you whether that’s through survival or death.

99.6% of them survived

My death/survival quote was in reference to ITU. During the initial lockdown period in 2020, I would estimate that the ITU death rate for ventialated patients within our Trust was approximately 90%. I haven't had any information for the current lockdownperiod

[anonymous-user]

Good news?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56050119

Covid: We could live with virus 'like we do flu' by end of year, says Hancock

[Harrison Bergeron]

It’s amusing to see that Scotty’s alt has decent spelling and grammar.

[stuckmojo]

The Spruce Goose said:

Good news?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56050119

Covid: We could live with virus 'like we do flu' by end of year, says Hancock

and this is the carrot after the backlash he received for that idiotic 10 year prison claim.

Do we ever learn? Autumn? Sure, we've never seen them promise stuff long into the future then change it again. Come on...

[anonymous-user]

stuckmojo said:

and this is the carrot after the backlash he received for that idiotic 10 year prison claim.

Do we ever learn? Autumn? Sure, we've never seen them promise stuff long into the future then change it again. Come on...

Besides vaccines there are a shed load of other options now. I'm surprised not more has been mentioned of the Extra Corporeal Membrane Oxygenation machines, these would be a good fail safe, add another 100 around the country.

[grumbledoak]

The Spruce Goose said:

Good news?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56050119

Covid: We could live with virus 'like we do flu' by end of year, says Hancock

So the carrot is "Just ten months" now?

We'll be in lockdown next winter.

[Taylor James]

Brainpox said:

RSTurboPaul said:

This is potentially good news... (ignoring the scope creep to 'over-50s'):


"Government scientific advisers say UK may need to debate on whether to let Covid rip and cause a 'big wave' once all over-50s have been vaccinated"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9254105/C...

DM said:

Many scientists say a rise in infections in under-50s would have little effect on NHS hospitals because they are not at risk of falling severely ill or dying.

Mike Tildesley, an academic at the University of Warwick and also a member of SPI-M said: 'It’s possible you could run hot in terms of cases, and low in terms of number of hospitalisations and deaths.'

He said having a high R number would not necessarily be a bad thing, so long as the current crop of vaccines keep hospitalisations remain low.

A few weeks ago, a 10 year old girl near where I live died of covid. Obviously she would not have qualified for the vaccine.

You can imagine the headlines if what they are proposing was to go ahead.

Long covid is still a serious issue, too. I work with a few people who had a mild illness, but the brain fog and fatigue have persisted for months.

Please post the press link to the death of the child and her mother. That's obviously a big story locally at least.

Edited by Taylor James on Saturday 13th February 08:18

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Brainpox said:

It might affect younger people less severely but there are some where it isn't the case. A 10 year old girl died of COVID nearby a few weeks ago. You can't gamble with people's lives because you're desperate to get down the pub.

I agree with the poster that said you're a plant. Total number of kids aged 0-19 that have died of Covid in the UK since last March without underlying condition = 6

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/u...

Seasonal flu is a lot more dangerous for kids but I presume you're happy to 'gamble with people's lives' when it comes to flu?

It just happens that a 10 year old and their mother both died of Covid near you? Statistical probability is probably close to zero. You're clearly a bullstter and your comment about seeing the bigger picture is hilariously ironic.

[a311]

grumbledoak said:

The Spruce Goose said:

Good news?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56050119

Covid: We could live with virus 'like we do flu' by end of year, says Hancock

So the carrot is "Just ten months" now?

We'll be in lockdown next winter.

I'd be shocked if we aren't under some sort of restrictions next winter. Remember things should be close to normal by Christmas 2020? All hinges on the ability of the vaccine to prevent serious illness and hospitalisation, a lot of the vulnerable will be dead or vaccinated by that point.

[Scolmore]

anonymous said:

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With hospital acquired infections estimated at 40% of cases, how many deaths caused by the NHS?

[anonymous-user]

Scolmore said:

anonymous said:

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With hospital acquired infections estimated at 40% of cases, how many deaths caused by the NHS?

Infections caught in hospital, and the resulting deaths, are not ‘caused by the NHS’

[Garvin]

grumbledoak said:

So the carrot is "Just ten months" now?

We'll be in lockdown next winter.

Once the hospitalisations and deaths have reduced to well below the danger of overwhelming the NHS and vaccinations of all over 50s has been completed I cannot see the general public standing for continued lockdown. I think the pressure on the government to significantly lift restrictions will become irresistible by April at the latest.

If the vaccines are as good as they say they are and there is no ‘monster’ evolution of the virus then we will surely be back to some semblance of normality by mid year.

The pressure on the government will then switch to keeping the vaccination programme going at pace and to fund vaccine research etc to keep on top of new strains of the virus.

[Mr. White]

Brainpox said:

Who said I'm enjoying it? fk off yourself. The answer isn't to let everyone run wild and not give a st. Keeping the health service running is more of a priority don't you think? Think bigger picture.

All hail the great NHS, saviour of the people!

Except up to 40% of infections were caught in hospitals. Oh dear.

Never mind, anything that keeps the NHS going must be done!

I know, let's cancel all medical procedures so that the NHS can be a beacon of efficiency. No patients, no waiting lists!

Ask not what the NHS can do for you, but what you can do for the NHS.

[grumbledoak]

Mr. White said:

All hail the great NHS, saviour of the people!

Except up to 40% of infections were caught in hospitals. Oh dear.

Never mind, anything that keeps the NHS going must be done!

I know, let's cancel all medical procedures so that the NHS can be a beacon of efficiency. No patients, no waiting lists!

Ask not what the NHS can do for you, but what you can do for the NHS.

Quite. Let's just give them all the money and let them decide everything. I'm sure they'll save us, that's what they do!

[JagLover]

isaldiri said:

RSbandit said:

Just watching the film 'Outbreak'...it's just amateur hour tbh rule of six and pubs closing at 10pm would have knocked the Motaba virus on its arse...pandemic response and suppression has come a long way in 26 yrs ??

Well I think it'll be a little bit optimistic to hope that the head of PHE would look like the then 40 year old Rene Russo...... but perhaps lucky Hancock watched Contagion rather than Outbreak so he didn't get inspired to bomb out kent/London to contain the super transmissive B117 I suppose.

I can just picture a briefing where Hancock says "we had to incinerate them all to stop them dying from Covid-19"

[ucb]

anonymous said:

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The private sector is ill-equipped to manage the vast majority of our Trusts NHS workload. It lacks the specialist knowledge, equipment, & space for any of my theatre work

[Carl_Manchester]

Garvin said:

grumbledoak said:

So the carrot is "Just ten months" now?

We'll be in lockdown next winter.

Once the hospitalisations and deaths have reduced to well below the danger of overwhelming the NHS and vaccinations of all over 50s has been completed I cannot see the general public standing for continued lockdown. I think the pressure on the government to significantly lift restrictions will become irresistible by April at the latest.

If the vaccines are as good as they say they are and there is no ‘monster’ evolution of the virus then we will surely be back to some semblance of normality by mid year.

The pressure on the government will then switch to keeping the vaccination programme going at pace and to fund vaccine research etc to keep on top of new strains of the virus.

The older generation don’t like being told what to do.

Once that lot are vaccinated it will be them Instagramming from a Kareoke pub in Spain with hashtag blessed.

[HoHoHo]

grumbledoak said:

The Spruce Goose said:

Good news?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56050119

Covid: We could live with virus 'like we do flu' by end of year, says Hancock

So the carrot is "Just ten months" now?

We'll be in lockdown next winter.

It’s only 10 months to flatten the curve