NO JAB NO JOB

[tonyvid]

wisbech said:

tonyvid said:

wisbech said:

Saudi Arabia has announced Covid vaccination will be required for Hajj...

So, no jab no pilgrimage

That's very interesting, from a point of view of a culture that has what happens to the followers being dependent on the will of another(really not trying to stir a hornet's nest here ). But bringing together 1m people from across the World into one place is a pretty big test.

Up to a point - Mohammed himself basically said "Do all possible for yourself, then trust God"



•• Trust in Allah But Tie Your Camel ••

One day Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) noticed a Bedouin leaving his camel without tying it.

He asked the Bedouin, “Why don’t you tie down your camel?”
The Bedouin answered, “I placed my trust in Allah.”

At that, the Prophet (PBUH) said, “Tie your camel and place your trust in Allah” (Tirmidhi)

The lesson from this hadith is that we need to use all resources available to us to solve our problems, and then trust Allah for the outcome as “Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves.” (Qur'an 13.11)

Thank you One of the things I love about this site is learning new things.

[anonymous-user]

Iminquarantine said:

Vasco said:

wisbech said:

Saudi Arabia has announced Covid vaccination will be required for Hajj...

So, no jab no pilgrimage

Good, very sensible.

Do not see any problem here.

Nice to hear from you, Klaus

[Tankrizzo]

W11PEL said:

I don't need to watch YT. Any channel that pushes against the MSM narrative gets shut down!! That is the sort of thing that irks me. Why this massive pysop to take the vaccine. It's everywhere from posters to radio ads.

Anyway I'll leave it there. I'll observe from afar in my bubble!

[JuanCarlosFandango]

otolith said:

One man's "pushing against the MSM narrative" is another's "peddling dangerous lies"

Which is why free societies generally let people say their piece and let the public decide for themselves. If spreading lies is dangerous, having a few politicians deciding what the truth is and suppressing anything else is truly lethal.

[otolith]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

otolith said:

One man's "pushing against the MSM narrative" is another's "peddling dangerous lies"

Which is why free societies generally let people say their piece and let the public decide for themselves. If spreading lies is dangerous, having a few politicians deciding what the truth is and suppressing anything else is truly lethal.

What's that got to do with private companies like Twitter or YouTube deciding that it will not provide a platform to what it sees as irresponsible and dangerous liars?

[anonymous-user]

otolith said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

otolith said:

One man's "pushing against the MSM narrative" is another's "peddling dangerous lies"

Which is why free societies generally let people say their piece and let the public decide for themselves. If spreading lies is dangerous, having a few politicians deciding what the truth is and suppressing anything else is truly lethal.

What's that got to do with private companies like Twitter or YouTube deciding that it will not provide a platform to what it sees as irresponsible and dangerous liars?

Because those companies are so big and influential. They are basically censoring according to their own agenda.

Far better to let the loons say what they want ( actual incitement of violence excluded) and be shown to be loons.

[deckster]

purplepenguin said:

Far better to let the loons say what they want ( actual incitement of violence excluded) and be shown to be loons.

This thread is certainly doing an excellent job of that.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

otolith said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

otolith said:

One man's "pushing against the MSM narrative" is another's "peddling dangerous lies"

Which is why free societies generally let people say their piece and let the public decide for themselves. If spreading lies is dangerous, having a few politicians deciding what the truth is and suppressing anything else is truly lethal.

What's that got to do with private companies like Twitter or YouTube deciding that it will not provide a platform to what it sees as irresponsible and dangerous liars?

It is a reminder of why it's worth looking beyond what's on Twitter and Youtube to get a wider view than the one they would like to present.

[deckster]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

It is a reminder of why it's worth looking beyond what's on Twitter and Youtube to get a wider view than the one they would like to present.

You know when your views are too deranged for Youtube & Twitter? That's a sign, that is.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

deckster said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

It is a reminder of why it's worth looking beyond what's on Twitter and Youtube to get a wider view than the one they would like to present.

You know when your views are too deranged for Youtube & Twitter? That's a sign, that is.

Bit circular isn't it?

If they deleted it it's wrong, they wouldn't have deleted it if it wasn't wrong.

[Jasandjules]

otolith said:

W11PEL said:

Any channel that pushes against the MSM narrative gets shut down!!

One man's "pushing against the MSM narrative" is another's "peddling dangerous lies"

Indeed. But who gets to decide what is the "truth"? And upon what basis? That you do not consider freedom of speech to be a two way street is a scary thing to me. How would you feel if it was reversed and the MSM narrative was shut down ?

[deckster]

Jasandjules said:

Indeed. But who gets to decide what is the "truth"? And upon what basis? That you do not consider freedom of speech to be a two way street is a scary thing to me. How would you feel if it was reversed and the MSM narrative was shut down ?

Aaaaaaand so we're back full circle. I believe (without evidence) that I'm being lied to. Therefore, fact that this isn't being reported in the "MSM" means that the "MSM" is somehow corrupt and is perpetuating the lie. Therefore, what I believe is obviously some secret truth that is being deliberately suppressed. Therefore, there is some global conspiracy to keep the truth out of the hands of the sheeple.

Something like that, anyway.

[otolith]

Jasandjules said:

otolith said:

W11PEL said:

Any channel that pushes against the MSM narrative gets shut down!!

One man's "pushing against the MSM narrative" is another's "peddling dangerous lies"

Indeed. But who gets to decide what is the "truth"? And upon what basis? That you do not consider freedom of speech to be a two way street is a scary thing to me. How would you feel if it was reversed and the MSM narrative was shut down ?

Who gets to decide? I would suggest the owner of the channel.

The right to free speech does not extent to the right to borrow someone else's megaphone.

[monkfish1]

deckster said:

W11PEL said:

If it is "weird nonsense" then we all have nothing to fear. You had "no idea" who they are. I suspect there are millions in the UK who have not heard of this outfit. It would be nice if the WEF are just an impotent fringe organisation with no power and no mandate.. Unfortunately it would appear that this is not the case.

How people view Covid and everything that surrounds it is entirely up to them. I think the WEF, what it stands for and what it wants implemented should be taken very seriously.

One needs to be objective and look at things with an open mind. Many posters on PH are questioning how things are playing out and in what direction we are all heading. These people are invariably labelled tin foil nut jobs by another contingent.

I think we are all in grave danger. We are clearly being lied to. History is doomed to repeat itself unfortunately. I am not going to flippantly brush everything off and hope for the best. I'm very concerned and am now making plans.

Dude. Step away from the internet, seriously. It's bad for you.

I know it's difficult at the moment, but go outside. Take a walk in the open air. Buy a bike and get yourself properly knackered of an afternoon. Take up knitting. Just do something other than watching conspiracy crap on youtube.

There is no global conspiracy. The WEF is just a group of CEOs and celebs backslapping and trying to sell stuff to each other. There is no shadowy cabal taking over the world for their own malign ends. Bill Gates is not injecting you with 5G nanobots.

The world has enough problems without people inventing bogeymen.

Except you seem to have missed the bit where 196 countries, including ours have signed up to the aims of the WEF.

that moves them up from "bogeymen".

[anonymous-user]

monkfish1 said:

deckster said:

W11PEL said:

If it is "weird nonsense" then we all have nothing to fear. You had "no idea" who they are. I suspect there are millions in the UK who have not heard of this outfit. It would be nice if the WEF are just an impotent fringe organisation with no power and no mandate.. Unfortunately it would appear that this is not the case.

How people view Covid and everything that surrounds it is entirely up to them. I think the WEF, what it stands for and what it wants implemented should be taken very seriously.

One needs to be objective and look at things with an open mind. Many posters on PH are questioning how things are playing out and in what direction we are all heading. These people are invariably labelled tin foil nut jobs by another contingent.

I think we are all in grave danger. We are clearly being lied to. History is doomed to repeat itself unfortunately. I am not going to flippantly brush everything off and hope for the best. I'm very concerned and am now making plans.

Dude. Step away from the internet, seriously. It's bad for you.

I know it's difficult at the moment, but go outside. Take a walk in the open air. Buy a bike and get yourself properly knackered of an afternoon. Take up knitting. Just do something other than watching conspiracy crap on youtube.

There is no global conspiracy. The WEF is just a group of CEOs and celebs backslapping and trying to sell stuff to each other. There is no shadowy cabal taking over the world for their own malign ends. Bill Gates is not injecting you with 5G nanobots.

The world has enough problems without people inventing bogeymen.

Except you seem to have missed the bit where 196 countries, including ours have signed up to the aims of the WEF.

that moves them up from "bogeymen".

Don’t worry, your opinions will soon be censored and you will have no voice and you will be happy

[W11PEL]

purplepenguin said:

monkfish1 said:

deckster said:

W11PEL said:

If it is "weird nonsense" then we all have nothing to fear. You had "no idea" who they are. I suspect there are millions in the UK who have not heard of this outfit. It would be nice if the WEF are just an impotent fringe organisation with no power and no mandate.. Unfortunately it would appear that this is not the case.

How people view Covid and everything that surrounds it is entirely up to them. I think the WEF, what it stands for and what it wants implemented should be taken very seriously.

One needs to be objective and look at things with an open mind. Many posters on PH are questioning how things are playing out and in what direction we are all heading. These people are invariably labelled tin foil nut jobs by another contingent.

I think we are all in grave danger. We are clearly being lied to. History is doomed to repeat itself unfortunately. I am not going to flippantly brush everything off and hope for the best. I'm very concerned and am now making plans.

Dude. Step away from the internet, seriously. It's bad for you.

I know it's difficult at the moment, but go outside. Take a walk in the open air. Buy a bike and get yourself properly knackered of an afternoon. Take up knitting. Just do something other than watching conspiracy crap on youtube.

There is no global conspiracy. The WEF is just a group of CEOs and celebs backslapping and trying to sell stuff to each other. There is no shadowy cabal taking over the world for their own malign ends. Bill Gates is not injecting you with 5G nanobots.

The world has enough problems without people inventing bogeymen.

Except you seem to have missed the bit where 196 countries, including ours have signed up to the aims of the WEF.

that moves them up from "bogeymen".

Don’t worry, your opinions will soon be censored and you will have no voice and you will be happy

Not according to the "nothing to worry about" merchants on here...

[eldar]

Vasco said:

eldar said:

God helps those who help themselves.

Any particular one of the hundreds out there, or are they all just as effective as each other?

Pick the one that best meets your requirements, as usual. This week I'm worshipping Lord Wartburg as his approach to traffic on the M69 is particularly convenient, mighty smiting of middle lane residents.

[Lily the Pink]

Iminquarantine said:

Vasco said:

wisbech said:

Saudi Arabia has announced Covid vaccination will be required for Hajj...

So, no jab no pilgrimage

Good, very sensible.

Do not see any problem here.

Really ? Hajj seems to be expected around 21 July. Will pilgrims be able to jump to the front of the vaccination queue ?

[Electro1980]

Lily the Pink said:

Iminquarantine said:

Vasco said:

wisbech said:

Saudi Arabia has announced Covid vaccination will be required for Hajj...

So, no jab no pilgrimage

Good, very sensible.

Do not see any problem here.

Really ? Hajj seems to be expected around 21 July. Will pilgrims be able to jump to the front of the vaccination queue ?

Where? Which queue? Depends on the county and what their priorities are.

[Electro1980]

purplepenguin said:

otolith said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

otolith said:

One man's "pushing against the MSM narrative" is another's "peddling dangerous lies"

Which is why free societies generally let people say their piece and let the public decide for themselves. If spreading lies is dangerous, having a few politicians deciding what the truth is and suppressing anything else is truly lethal.

What's that got to do with private companies like Twitter or YouTube deciding that it will not provide a platform to what it sees as irresponsible and dangerous liars?

Because those companies are so big and influential. They are basically censoring according to their own agenda.

Far better to let the loons say what they want ( actual incitement of violence excluded) and be shown to be loons.

“Let people have freedom of speech and let society decide”
Society “we have listened to your ideas. We have decided that are stupid and encouraging other stupid people to do stupid things”
“THATS SO UNFAIR!”.