Discussion
Sophisticated Sarah said:
V1nce Fox said:
I do get the vibe of a desperate salesman off the government over this. It has the feeling of someone trying to hit a commission target.
A bit like “Al Harrington's Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm-Flailing Tubeman Emporium and Warehouse” on Family Guy.
IroningMan said:
The job in question is one which involves being sent into people's houses - shouldn't those people have the right not to invite in anyone who hasn't been jabbed?
Particularly if a member of the household is vulnerable?
That is their prerogative, I mainly work in other peoples homes and since May not one person has even asked me to wear a mask or worn one themselves let alone ask whether I have had the jab. So forgive me if I think it is all a load of bParticularly if a member of the household is vulnerable?
ks dreamt up by those few control freaks who want everybody else to dance to their tune. If a customer only wants somebody in their home who has had the vaccine I would suggest they find somebody else as I try to avoid working for nutters as it never ends well in my experience.
dmahon said:
How does it make you an anti-vaxer moron for not wanting to take a jab for something with a 99.9% survival rate (for my age group). It seems entirely rational to me.
Can see this is going to be this years Covidiots / granny killer / excuse to be sanctimonious on social media. God help me!
How do you feel about swimming in shark infested waters? In the USA, the survival rate is a bit over 3% from a shark attack. You might lose a foot, or two, maybe a foot in height, but the odds are pretty good. Can see this is going to be this years Covidiots / granny killer / excuse to be sanctimonious on social media. God help me!
Brave Fart said:
If the virus mutates and we have a series of new variants, the vaccine(s) will need to be modified, or so we're told. So an employer that insists on its staff being vaccinated will need to ensure that each employee has had the latest vaccine, presumably. Or will "last year's" version suffice? And how will the employer verify each person's vaccine status? There is no official body that will confirm this, unlike, say, a DBS check.
Then there's the female employee who is planning a pregnancy. She may not wish to disclose that to her employer. And I imagine that other employees may have medical conditions which prevent vaccination. Are they to be forced to disclose their medical history to their employer?
I think that mandating a medical procedure for your employees will be a nightmare for employers, for reasons including those I've outlined. And after all, covid for those of working age is not especially dangerous. Employers don't routinely insist on vaccination for flu, or MMR, or meningitis, or anything else, as far as I know. Does covid really merit such an exception?
Which makes the Govt’s position on this, and today’s soft “its probably legal”, all the more shockingThen there's the female employee who is planning a pregnancy. She may not wish to disclose that to her employer. And I imagine that other employees may have medical conditions which prevent vaccination. Are they to be forced to disclose their medical history to their employer?
I think that mandating a medical procedure for your employees will be a nightmare for employers, for reasons including those I've outlined. And after all, covid for those of working age is not especially dangerous. Employers don't routinely insist on vaccination for flu, or MMR, or meningitis, or anything else, as far as I know. Does covid really merit such an exception?
Oakey said:
Terminator X said:
Do you honestly and seriously think that "kids" need to be jabbed even though there is pretty much no one that age who has died of Covid the world over 
why not jab them for flu too, also a killer afaik.
TX.
We do vaccinate kids for flu ffs! why not jab them for flu too, also a killer afaik.TX.
abzmike said:
A500leroy said:
...id just prefer to be cautious
Making the choice you are making, and relying on those that are accepting of the vaccine, to get your life back to normal does not sit easily for me.I understand some are concerned about the speed of development and the fact it’s fairly new still, but I feel those sentiments are doing a disservice to the world leading scientists who have been able to bring society the only way forwards out of the pandemic.
If the vaccine was developed by Dave in his shed and tested only on his partner Janice, you would have reasonable grounds for concern. But they’ve been developed by the world leading experts in this field, tested on thousands and independently reviewed and approved by the regulatory bodies.
It’s a matter of weighing up the risks; I’d say catching and passing COVID on to someone vulnerable is a significantly greater risk than maybe growing a third nipple in 40 years’ time.
oyster said:
Good grief this again. The vast, overwhelming majority of the population are hugely in support of severe lockdown/restrictions. You and I might not agree with them, and we may not quickly forget. But we’re in the minority.
It might be that you live in an echo chamber. Most people I know, not all though but most, support and adhere to the restrictions. Including parents at my children’s school.
You’re talking about two different things there.It might be that you live in an echo chamber. Most people I know, not all though but most, support and adhere to the restrictions. Including parents at my children’s school.
Adhering to restrictions and actually hugely supporting severe lockdown / restrictions is not the same thing.
I don’t strongly support a 70mph speed limit or paying my Road Tax, but I adhere to both, (well, 70 ish). The majority of people that I know only favour the working from home part of all of this, and nothing else.
Terminator X said:
tonyvid said:
It will be interesting to see where the "I'm not having the jab because I'm young" argument goes when the same people need a vaccine passport to get drunk for 2 weeks in Ayia Napa...
Do you honestly and seriously think that "kids" need to be jabbed even though there is pretty much no one that age who has died of Covid the world over why not jab them for flu too, also a killer afaik.TX.
We’re getting a number of staff vaccinated who work with elderly and vulnerable tenants
I sat in a meeting to yesterday and learnt three have declined. They are all BME individuals. Then there was lots of politically correct grunting about cultural reasons.
I’m sat thinking “ you selfish f’ng bell ends”
Cultural reasons my bottom.
I sat in a meeting to yesterday and learnt three have declined. They are all BME individuals. Then there was lots of politically correct grunting about cultural reasons.
I’m sat thinking “ you selfish f’ng bell ends”
Cultural reasons my bottom.
Muddle238 said:
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It’s a matter of weighing up the risks; I’d say catching and passing COVID on to someone vulnerable is a significantly greater risk than maybe growing a third nipple in 40 years’ time.
That, of course, is your opinion, and one I agree with. Others will disagree.It’s a matter of weighing up the risks; I’d say catching and passing COVID on to someone vulnerable is a significantly greater risk than maybe growing a third nipple in 40 years’ time.
The question then becomes: is it right to force vaccination on people who prefer not to take it? I say "force", because the government hopes that the insistence of employers, other countries and perhaps insurance companies will create sufficient force to compel the vaccine hesitant to get jabbed.
My view is that introducing a mandatory medical procedure into the workplace - unless vital to the task - is a step too far, and lays the employer open to legal challenge.
V1nce Fox said:
voyds9 said:
V1nce Fox said:
voyds9 said:
I've asked my professional body about this. They say my employers may require me to get the jab or lose my job.
I then asked if I would be required to see clients who hadn't had the jab. Yes I am required to see them as the PPE will be enough protection.
At that point my irony meter broke.
What do you do?I then asked if I would be required to see clients who hadn't had the jab. Yes I am required to see them as the PPE will be enough protection.
At that point my irony meter broke.
Optometrist
Lots of sterilising spray/wipes between tests.
Today you might justify to yourself that Covid is unlikely to have serious consequences and decide not to have the vaccine but this is only thinking of yourself and not others.
Tomorrow is another day and you'll be a little bit closer to the time when Covid will be more serious for you, will you want a vaccine then or take your chances.
I think covid-19 will be around for the long term so plenty of time to wonder if today will be the day it is your turn to catch it with serious consequences.
Tomorrow is another day and you'll be a little bit closer to the time when Covid will be more serious for you, will you want a vaccine then or take your chances.
I think covid-19 will be around for the long term so plenty of time to wonder if today will be the day it is your turn to catch it with serious consequences.
Vanden Saab said:
IroningMan said:
The job in question is one which involves being sent into people's houses - shouldn't those people have the right not to invite in anyone who hasn't been jabbed?
Particularly if a member of the household is vulnerable?
That is their prerogative, I mainly work in other peoples homes and since May not one person has even asked me to wear a mask or worn one themselves let alone ask whether I have had the jab. So forgive me if I think it is all a load of bParticularly if a member of the household is vulnerable?
ks dreamt up by those few control freaks who want everybody else to dance to their tune. If a customer only wants somebody in their home who has had the vaccine I would suggest they find somebody else as I try to avoid working for nutters as it never ends well in my experience.
There's room in our society for all, but a bit less room for selfish
s wouldn't be a bad thing.austinsmirk said:
We’re getting a number of staff vaccinated who work with elderly and vulnerable tenants
I sat in a meeting to yesterday and learnt three have declined. They are all BME individuals. Then there was lots of politically correct grunting about cultural reasons.
I’m sat thinking “ you selfish f’ng bell ends”
Cultural reasons my bottom.
Would the elderly / vulnerable tenants not have been in the top 4 categories and already vaccinated? I sat in a meeting to yesterday and learnt three have declined. They are all BME individuals. Then there was lots of politically correct grunting about cultural reasons.
I’m sat thinking “ you selfish f’ng bell ends”
Cultural reasons my bottom.
Whether or not your staff is vaccinated is moot about if they will potentially infect a tenant.
IroningMan said:
Vanden Saab said:
IroningMan said:
The job in question is one which involves being sent into people's houses - shouldn't those people have the right not to invite in anyone who hasn't been jabbed?
Particularly if a member of the household is vulnerable?
That is their prerogative, I mainly work in other peoples homes and since May not one person has even asked me to wear a mask or worn one themselves let alone ask whether I have had the jab. So forgive me if I think it is all a load of bParticularly if a member of the household is vulnerable?
ks dreamt up by those few control freaks who want everybody else to dance to their tune. If a customer only wants somebody in their home who has had the vaccine I would suggest they find somebody else as I try to avoid working for nutters as it never ends well in my experience.
There's room in our society for all, but a bit less room for selfish
s wouldn't be a bad thing.The ones that can turn up the same day are either cowboys or very, very expensive.
Taylor James said:
CzechItOut said:
V1nce Fox said:
Suspect a lot of revised contracts (end of this one, rollover into new one) will be attempted too. This doesn't look good.
I don't even think companies will need to issue new contracts. I've just looked a one of the contract templates we use here and it includes a fairly generic "Health & Safety" clause stating that the employee has a duty to observe the rules and follow policies at all times.Therefore, all companies need to do is show they have performed a risk assessment that requires a Covid vaccination to ensure they are maintaining their duty of care towards employees, customers and general public and update their policies accordingly.
The danger presented by covid - which we already know to be negligible with some groups and an average mortality in the 80s
The role and how you would show that holding that role would endanger people (plus see above)
There are already examples where vaccination is mandatory and they are few and far between because the criteria are exceptional e.g hepatitis jabs for people working in operating theatres.
Now make the case for North Sea divers.
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