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rxe said:
Nickgnome said:
Children are vaccinated so they do not succumb to some extremely unpleasant diseases with life long impacts.
They are not targeted and yes parents do make decisions on behalf of children. It is normal and it is called parenting.
I was inoculated as child and my then wife and I ensured our daughter was. She in turn has done the same for her daughter.
You’ve completely misunderstood the point of my post. They are not targeted and yes parents do make decisions on behalf of children. It is normal and it is called parenting.
I was inoculated as child and my then wife and I ensured our daughter was. She in turn has done the same for her daughter.
Children are targeted because you can catch diseases as a child that have lifelong consequences. We don’t wait until people are 30 to give them a jab, we give them to them very early. Hence the targeting.
The controversy about childhood vaccines is because parents, right or wrong, are making the decisions that affect the lives of their children. So because of a parents decision about a vaccine, the child may suffer the consequences. I’m deliberately not making any judgement about the correctness or otherwise of these decisions.
In contrast a Covid vaccine is an entirely personal decision as children are unaffected - it is a disease of adults and mainly elderly adults. If an adult decides not to have a vaccine, that’s their call. They suffer the consequences, no one else does. So the wibble about “i expect an airline to check the vaccine status of all passengers” is just wibble. Check your own vaccine status and act accordingly....
Unfortunately there are a very few examples of Children suffering adverse reactions to Covid. There was a very sporty young lad on the news only about a week ago who is now very debilitated. We hope it is temporary.
Additionally it is not strictly true to say that it is only the individual that suffers the impact of not taking the vaccine. Initial indications are the vaccinated people transmit the virus very much less to others. So it could be argued it is selfish not to be vaccinated.
Additionally those that do not have the vaccine and become seriously ill take up NHS time and money unnecessarily.
Nickgnome said:
I apologise i did misunderstand the point you were making.
Unfortunately there are a very few examples of Children suffering adverse reactions to Covid. There was a very sporty young lad on the news only about a week ago who is now very debilitated. We hope it is temporary.
Additionally it is not strictly true to say that it is only the individual that suffers the impact of not taking the vaccine. Initial indications are the vaccinated people transmit the virus very much less to others. So it could be argued it is selfish not to be vaccinated.
Additionally those that do not have the vaccine and become seriously ill take up NHS time and money unnecessarily.
Again, if you are vaccinated, why do you care about transmission? As for consuming NHS resources, file in the same bucket as “NHS shouldn’t treat entirely optional sports injuries”Unfortunately there are a very few examples of Children suffering adverse reactions to Covid. There was a very sporty young lad on the news only about a week ago who is now very debilitated. We hope it is temporary.
Additionally it is not strictly true to say that it is only the individual that suffers the impact of not taking the vaccine. Initial indications are the vaccinated people transmit the virus very much less to others. So it could be argued it is selfish not to be vaccinated.
Additionally those that do not have the vaccine and become seriously ill take up NHS time and money unnecessarily.
Children who get any serious outcomes from COVID are vanishingly rare. I’d be more concerned about glandular fever. .
rxe said:
Nickgnome said:
I apologise i did misunderstand the point you were making.
Unfortunately there are a very few examples of Children suffering adverse reactions to Covid. There was a very sporty young lad on the news only about a week ago who is now very debilitated. We hope it is temporary.
Additionally it is not strictly true to say that it is only the individual that suffers the impact of not taking the vaccine. Initial indications are the vaccinated people transmit the virus very much less to others. So it could be argued it is selfish not to be vaccinated.
Additionally those that do not have the vaccine and become seriously ill take up NHS time and money unnecessarily.
Again, if you are vaccinated, why do you care about transmission? As for consuming NHS resources, file in the same bucket as “NHS shouldn’t treat entirely optional sports injuries”Unfortunately there are a very few examples of Children suffering adverse reactions to Covid. There was a very sporty young lad on the news only about a week ago who is now very debilitated. We hope it is temporary.
Additionally it is not strictly true to say that it is only the individual that suffers the impact of not taking the vaccine. Initial indications are the vaccinated people transmit the virus very much less to others. So it could be argued it is selfish not to be vaccinated.
Additionally those that do not have the vaccine and become seriously ill take up NHS time and money unnecessarily.
Children who get any serious outcomes from COVID are vanishingly rare. I’d be more concerned about glandular fever. .
The parents of those children may feel differently to you as will the children themselves. We should be concerned for all potential but preventable illnesses, should we not?
rxe said:
Again, if you are vaccinated, why do you care about transmission? As for consuming NHS resources, file in the same bucket as “NHS shouldn’t treat entirely optional sports injuries”
Children who get any serious outcomes from COVID are vanishingly rare. I’d be more concerned about glandular fever. .
There was an immunologist on the radio today stating that if the vaccine gives you upwards of 85% immunity it’s safer to be in the company of people who’ve also been jabbed because they will also have a high level of immunity. The point seemed to be that as the vaccine doesn’t give you 100% the more who have it the safer we will be and the sooner we get to herd. Children who get any serious outcomes from COVID are vanishingly rare. I’d be more concerned about glandular fever. .
I don’t want to get embroiled in your exchange with Nick, just passing on what I heard in relation to your point about transmission.
Blue62 said:
There was an immunologist on the radio today stating that if the vaccine gives you upwards of 85% immunity it’s safer to be in the company of people who’ve also been jabbed because they will also have a high level of immunity. The point seemed to be that as the vaccine doesn’t give you 100% the more who have it the safer we will be and the sooner we get to herd.
I don’t want to get embroiled in your exchange with Nick, just passing on what I heard in relation to your point about transmission.
I believe the figures are of the order of 85% total immunity. >99% prevention of serious symptoms. Thus, amongst the vaccinated, COVID becomes slightly less of an issue than the common cold. I see no reason at all to be concerned about the actions of others, regardless of whether I agree with them, any more than I would worry about meeting someone who had a snotty nose.I don’t want to get embroiled in your exchange with Nick, just passing on what I heard in relation to your point about transmission.
rxe said:
I believe the figures are of the order of 85% total immunity. >99% prevention of serious symptoms. Thus, amongst the vaccinated, COVID becomes slightly less of an issue than the common cold. I see no reason at all to be concerned about the actions of others, regardless of whether I agree with them, any more than I would worry about meeting someone who had a snotty nose.
That’s clearly a matter for you, though I’m sure you’d understand if not everybody subscribed to your particular brand of logic. 21TonyK said:
Excepting flu, if you do a bit of research into those diseases you'll see just how successful vaccination has been in all but eliminating some of them 
Yes which was my point that you’ve seemingly missed completely. Why with vaccination do those diseases not require passporting yet covid which post vaccination is expected to “manageable like the flu” need a special passport? Look if it was some incredibly deadly untreatable infectious disease that was widely spread I could understand domestic passporting as a means to protect populations but in a few months time it’ll be like the sniffles for most including the highest risk.
MDR TB is a thing btw and BGC vaccine isn’t particularly good at blocking TB but very good at providing immunity against severe TB. So why no TB passport?
Oh wait maybe no passport because a mass vaccination programme over fourty plus years has reduced incidence in this country to an incredibly low level, starting initially to reduce severe TB. Sound familiar?
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/bcg-tub...
Vantagemech.. said:
Does this mean those in favour of a vaccine passport will refrain from using businesses that don't have 100% covid cover? After all if you won't sit next to somebody in a cinema, why would you risk it anywhere else?
And will they demand to know of anyone who is in the cinema who can’t have the vaccine for medical reasons?Perhaps the cinema can give them a little badge and everyone can avoid them and ostracise them and be smug about having had a vaccine.
f
king nonsense, have the vaccine if you want and everyone get on with life.If you want to protect the NHS ( don’t know why as we pay a s
t load of money in to it and a lot is wasted by very poor management) then control the amount/type of food fat people have.That will reduce the strain on the NHS and by extension help everyone else.
Blue62 said:
That’s clearly a matter for you, though I’m sure you’d understand if not everybody subscribed to your particular brand of logic.
What’s wrong with the logic?Why would you be worried about something that is highly unlikely to hurt you if you’ve been vaccinated? At least any more than other random diseases that are more likely to kill you.
purplepenguin said:
If you want to protect the NHS ( don’t know why as we pay a st load of money in to it and a lot is wasted by very poor management) then control the amount/type of food fat people have.
That will reduce the strain on the NHS and by extension help everyone else.
Promoting a healthy lifestyle, and vaccine uptake can be done simultaneously, believe it or not.t load of money in to it and a lot is wasted by very poor management) then control the amount/type of food fat people have.That will reduce the strain on the NHS and by extension help everyone else.
andyeds1234 said:
Promoting a healthy lifestyle, and vaccine uptake can be done simultaneously, believe it or not.
It can, and if this whole episode has shown us anything it's surely that we can rely on this government of well rounded and wise leaders to take a sensible, measured approach to any problem...andyeds1234 said:
purplepenguin said:
If you want to protect the NHS ( don’t know why as we pay a st load of money in to it and a lot is wasted by very poor management) then control the amount/type of food fat people have.
That will reduce the strain on the NHS and by extension help everyone else.
Promoting a healthy lifestyle, and vaccine uptake can be done simultaneously, believe it or not.t load of money in to it and a lot is wasted by very poor management) then control the amount/type of food fat people have.That will reduce the strain on the NHS and by extension help everyone else.
Will the “punishment” for not having a vaccine equal the “punishment” for not exercising/eating healthily?
Tankrizzo said:
Don't worry, another banned returnee over on the loony thread is telling them all that what the government should have just done is issue Vitamin D supplements.
Vit D & various other things such as promoting weight loss I wager would have dramatically altered the situation. But hindsight, eh? Ship already sailed....PS: I'm not the loon you are referring to...
As for mandating vaccines in order to work? Where will all this end??
Biker 1 said:
Vit D & various other things such as promoting weight loss I wager would have dramatically altered the situation. But hindsight, eh? Ship already sailed....
PS: I'm not the loon you are referring to...
As for mandating vaccines in order to work? Where will all this end??
You are not the droid I was looking for Biker!PS: I'm not the loon you are referring to...
As for mandating vaccines in order to work? Where will all this end??
purplepenguin said:
Vantagemech.. said:
Does this mean those in favour of a vaccine passport will refrain from using businesses that don't have 100% covid cover? After all if you won't sit next to somebody in a cinema, why would you risk it anywhere else?
And will they demand to know of anyone who is in the cinema who can’t have the vaccine for medical reasons?Perhaps the cinema can give them a little badge and everyone can avoid them and ostracise them and be smug about having had a vaccine.
f
king nonsense, have the vaccine if you want and everyone get on with life.If you want to protect the NHS ( don’t know why as we pay a s
t load of money in to it and a lot is wasted by very poor management) then control the amount/type of food fat people have.That will reduce the strain on the NHS and by extension help everyone else.
Biker 1 said:
Vit D & various other things such as promoting weight loss I wager would have dramatically altered the situation. But hindsight, eh? Ship already sailed....
PS: I'm not the loon you are referring to...
As for mandating vaccines in order to work? Where will all this end??
Computer chip implants all controlled by Bill Gates. Obvs.PS: I'm not the loon you are referring to...
As for mandating vaccines in order to work? Where will all this end??
Murph7355 said:
purplepenguin said:
Vantagemech.. said:
Does this mean those in favour of a vaccine passport will refrain from using businesses that don't have 100% covid cover? After all if you won't sit next to somebody in a cinema, why would you risk it anywhere else?
And will they demand to know of anyone who is in the cinema who can’t have the vaccine for medical reasons?Perhaps the cinema can give them a little badge and everyone can avoid them and ostracise them and be smug about having had a vaccine.
f
king nonsense, have the vaccine if you want and everyone get on with life.If you want to protect the NHS ( don’t know why as we pay a s
t load of money in to it and a lot is wasted by very poor management) then control the amount/type of food fat people have.That will reduce the strain on the NHS and by extension help everyone else.
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