NO JAB NO JOB

[g4ry13]

Electro1980 said:

21TonyK said:

stuartmmcfc said:

I’ve just heard an acquaintance of mine has died of COVID.
He had MS and, although not high risk, he’s been self isolating for several months. He’s single and lived on his own. The only people he saw were his Carer’s who visited 3 times a day. Apparently he possibly caught it from one of them who’d been offered but had refused the vaccine.
If this is true then it does seem that vaccination should be a condition of employment for this area.
Mine is due at 4:30 and i know she’s not been vaccinated. Should I be worried as although Mike was 4 years older than me, he was only 59.

This is so sad to hear. Anyone, and I mean absolutely anyone in social or medical care should have vaccination made part of their contract of employment. Refuse? you're sacked.

This tragic story should be made very public.

It's also why I am very pleased that everyone in my workplace was offered it weeks ago, more than I thought refused but that's ok, HR know who they are.

Should we do the same for flu, chicken pox, Meningitis B, pneumococcal? All things that can kill and people with various conditions make them more vulnerable. Anyone you meet could be imunocompramised and you wouldn’t know. Have you had all of the vaccines for illnesses you could be carrying?

It is sad to hear. But the care worker could have been vaccinated and still transmitted it to the people they came into contact with.

[otolith]

Is your question "In general, should carers of immunocompromised patients be vaccinated against diseases which might kill their charges and for which vaccines are available?"

Do you have an answer in mind other than "Of course they fking should"?

[Nickgnome]

otolith said:

Is your question "In general, should carers of immunocompromised patients be vaccinated against diseases which might kill their charges and for which vaccines are available?"

Do you have an answer in mind other than "Of course they fking should"?

It is amazing that anyone could possibly think otherwise.

[21TonyK]

Electro1980 said:

Should we do the same for flu, chicken pox, Meningitis B, pneumococcal? All things that can kill and people with various conditions make them more vulnerable. Anyone you meet could be imunocompramised and you wouldn’t know. Have you had all of the vaccines for illnesses you could be carrying?

Actually, yes I have but that's not relevant to the fact that we are still in the middle of a global pandemic with over 110 million cases and near 2.5 million dead. We now have a vaccine which is proven to reduce transmission and someone with a responsibility to protect and care for someone else refused it and subsequently appears to have infected them and they have died.

Sounds like professional negligence.

[CraigyMc]

Nickgnome said:

otolith said:

Is your question "In general, should carers of immunocompromised patients be vaccinated against diseases which might kill their charges and for which vaccines are available?"

Do you have an answer in mind other than "Of course they fking should"?

It is amazing that anyone could possibly think otherwise.

But on this thread... prepare to be amazed.

[djc206]

g4ry13 said:

It is sad to hear. But the care worker could have been vaccinated and still transmitted it to the people they came into contact with.

Vaccination of both parties mitigates some of that risk.

I find it astonishing and depressing that someone who works in care doesn’t care enough about their patients to get jabbed. It demonstrates an abhorrent level of selfishness and suggests to me that the care worker would be better off finding alternative employment where their head being so far up their own arse didn’t bring with it a high risk of mortality for their charges.

[CraigyMc]

djc206 said:

Vaccination of both parties mitigates some of that risk.

I find it astonishing and depressing that someone who works in care doesn’t care enough about their patients to get jabbed. It demonstrates an abhorrent level of selfishness and suggests to me that the care worker would be better off finding alternative employment where their head being so far up their own arse didn’t bring with it a high risk of mortality for their charges.

My missus' mum is a full-time carer working for a council, travelling around old people's houses to help them with shopping and the like.
She's also a full-on homeopathy mentalist and is anti vaccinations.

The concern is that while she's travelling about she could easily wind up being the covid version of typhoid Mary, increasing risk of transmission everywhere she goes. Even with fully vaccinated elderly people today, it doesn't mean this is safe going forward. What happens when there's a big enough mutation that the existing vaccinations aren't as effective?

She needs to be vaccinated or get another job that doesn't expose her clients to risk. She sees nothing but her own rights, not how her behaviour exposes others to risk that they didn't ask for.

[Tankrizzo]

otolith said:

Is your question "In general, should carers of immunocompromised patients be vaccinated against diseases which might kill their charges and for which vaccines are available?"

Do you have an answer in mind other than "Of course they fking should"?

Obvious isn't it. Won't stop the "it's all the WEF conspiracy" guys though.

[Iminquarantine]

g4ry13 said:

It is sad to hear. But the care worker could have been vaccinated and still transmitted it to the people they came into contact with.

Indications so far are that this would have been 80% less likely to happen.

[Vasco]

djc206 said:

Vaccination of both parties mitigates some of that risk.

I find it astonishing and depressing that someone who works in care doesn’t care enough about their patients to get jabbed. It demonstrates an abhorrent level of selfishness and suggests to me that the care worker would be better off finding alternative employment where their head being so far up their own arse didn’t bring with it a high risk of mortality for their charges.

Well said

[XCP]

Sounds about right to me.

[g4ry13]

Iminquarantine said:

g4ry13 said:

It is sad to hear. But the care worker could have been vaccinated and still transmitted it to the people they came into contact with.

Indications so far are that this would have been 80% less likely to happen.

You may want to revise those indications if you're basing it on Israel data.

So 20% of the time someone will be infected - doesn't sound great!

It's not as if every direct contact with a Covid infected person resulted in transmission without having had the vaccine.

[Electro1980]

21TonyK said:

Electro1980 said:

Should we do the same for flu, chicken pox, Meningitis B, pneumococcal? All things that can kill and people with various conditions make them more vulnerable. Anyone you meet could be imunocompramised and you wouldn’t know. Have you had all of the vaccines for illnesses you could be carrying?

Actually, yes I have but that's not relevant to the fact that we are still in the middle of a global pandemic with over 110 million cases and near 2.5 million dead. We now have a vaccine which is proven to reduce transmission and someone with a responsibility to protect and care for someone else refused it and subsequently appears to have infected them and they have died.

Sounds like professional negligence.

So you think that all care workers should have all of those vaccines, and more, or not have a job?

[Electro1980]

otolith said:

Is your question "In general, should carers of immunocompromised patients be vaccinated against diseases which might kill their charges and for which vaccines are available?"

Do you have an answer in mind other than "Of course they fking should"?

No, my question is, what makes Covid so different to all of the other viruses that we don’t require care workers to be vaccinated against?

[Iminquarantine]

g4ry13 said:

You may want to revise those indications if you're basing it on Israel data.

So 20% of the time someone will be infected - doesn't sound great!

It's not as if every direct contact with a Covid infected person resulted in transmission without having had the vaccine.

You may want to revise what you have written as it makes you appear to be a selfish anti vax nutter.

There have been several instances of care homes where a third or more of residents have died of Covid. It is not yet demonstrated how much vaccination prevents transmission, but indications are that is by a lot. This is not, as you suggest, based only on Israel data.

In high risk groups, Covid19 infection can have a 25% mortality rate. Care work is often inconsistent with social distancing and PPE is not 100% effective. You appear to regard vaccinations which will substantially reduce the chance of disease transmission to at risk people, as optional.

[Taylor James]

Iminquarantine said:

g4ry13 said:

You may want to revise those indications if you're basing it on Israel data.

So 20% of the time someone will be infected - doesn't sound great!

It's not as if every direct contact with a Covid infected person resulted in transmission without having had the vaccine.

You may want to revise what you have written as it makes you appear to be a selfish anti vax nutter.

There have been several instances of care homes where a third or more of residents have died of Covid. It is not demonstrated how much vaccination prevents infection, but indications are that is by a lot. This is not, as you suggest, based only on Israel data.

In high risk groups, Covid19 infection can have a 25% mortality rate. Care work is often inconsistent with social distancing and PPE is not 100% effective. You appear to regard vaccinations which will substantially reduce the chance of disease transmission to at risk people, as optional.

Do you know how so many of those care home residents became infected?

[Dromedary66]

Vantagemech.. said:

There's a large grey thing in the room though.

Uptake has been very low in the bame community. While I understand the thoughts behind wanting to show proof of vaccination, you know exactly where it could lead. Again, whatever dress you put it in, it's still segregation.

It would be self-inflicted segregation so no tears would be shed here.

Where's BLM when you need them?

[21TonyK]

Electro1980 said:

21TonyK said:

Electro1980 said:

Should we do the same for flu, chicken pox, Meningitis B, pneumococcal? All things that can kill and people with various conditions make them more vulnerable. Anyone you meet could be imunocompramised and you wouldn’t know. Have you had all of the vaccines for illnesses you could be carrying?

Actually, yes I have but that's not relevant to the fact that we are still in the middle of a global pandemic with over 110 million cases and near 2.5 million dead. We now have a vaccine which is proven to reduce transmission and someone with a responsibility to protect and care for someone else refused it and subsequently appears to have infected them and they have died.

Sounds like professional negligence.

So you think that all care workers should have all of those vaccines, and more, or not have a job?

Based on what I know about them, no, but I do know that people in social/clinical care are encouraged to get the flu jab and I am guessing the majority of adults are immune to chicken pox. Babies are now given the 6 in 1 and from last year pneumonia jab so maybe anyone working in care should be encouraged to have them as well.

What is the current risk of contracting meningitis compared to covid?

Seems pretty low... "The results show that from September 2015 through to August 2018 there were 63 observed cases of meningococcal group B disease in England."

[g4ry13]

Iminquarantine said:

g4ry13 said:

You may want to revise those indications if you're basing it on Israel data.

So 20% of the time someone will be infected - doesn't sound great!

It's not as if every direct contact with a Covid infected person resulted in transmission without having had the vaccine.

You may want to revise what you have written as it makes you appear to be a selfish anti vax nutter.

There have been several instances of care homes where a third or more of residents have died of Covid. It is not yet demonstrated how much vaccination prevents transmission, but indications are that is by a lot. This is not, as you suggest, based only on Israel data.

In high risk groups, Covid19 infection can have a 25% mortality rate. Care work is often inconsistent with social distancing and PPE is not 100% effective. You appear to regard vaccinations which will substantially reduce the chance of disease transmission to at risk people, as optional.

You've made it transparent how indoctrinated you are so I have nothing else to say to you as I consider my time more valuable.

[CraigyMc]

Taylor James said:

Iminquarantine said:

g4ry13 said:

You may want to revise those indications if you're basing it on Israel data.

So 20% of the time someone will be infected - doesn't sound great!

It's not as if every direct contact with a Covid infected person resulted in transmission without having had the vaccine.

You may want to revise what you have written as it makes you appear to be a selfish anti vax nutter.

There have been several instances of care homes where a third or more of residents have died of Covid. It is not demonstrated how much vaccination prevents infection, but indications are that is by a lot. This is not, as you suggest, based only on Israel data.

In high risk groups, Covid19 infection can have a 25% mortality rate. Care work is often inconsistent with social distancing and PPE is not 100% effective. You appear to regard vaccinations which will substantially reduce the chance of disease transmission to at risk people, as optional.

Do you know how so many of those care home residents became infected?

Probably antivax morons. Usually is.