NO JAB NO JOB

[Lily the Pink]

Electro1980 said:

Lily the Pink said:

Iminquarantine said:

Vasco said:

wisbech said:

Saudi Arabia has announced Covid vaccination will be required for Hajj...

So, no jab no pilgrimage

Good, very sensible.

Do not see any problem here.

Really ? Hajj seems to be expected around 21 July. Will pilgrims be able to jump to the front of the vaccination queue ?

Where? Which queue? Depends on the county and what their priorities are.

It looks as if it needs to be spelt out for you. Not all those who might want to go on Hajj will have been vaccinated by 21 July. I cannot currently see any likelihood of prioritising potential pilgrims - can you ? By county, I assume you mean country ?

[deckster]

Lily the Pink said:

It looks as if it needs to be spelt out for you. Not all those who might want to go on Hajj will have been vaccinated by 21 July. I cannot currently see any likelihood of prioritising potential pilgrims - can you ? By county, I assume you mean country ?

Still not sure what you think the issue is. If you're not vaccinated by then, then you don't go on Hajj. Simple as that and no issue that I can see.

It was cancelled last year anyway, so this is surely an improvement on that.

[Electro1980]

Lily the Pink said:

Electro1980 said:

Lily the Pink said:

Iminquarantine said:

Vasco said:

wisbech said:

Saudi Arabia has announced Covid vaccination will be required for Hajj...

So, no jab no pilgrimage

Good, very sensible.

Do not see any problem here.

Really ? Hajj seems to be expected around 21 July. Will pilgrims be able to jump to the front of the vaccination queue ?

Where? Which queue? Depends on the county and what their priorities are.

It looks as if it needs to be spelt out for you. Not all those who might want to go on Hajj will have been vaccinated by 21 July. I cannot currently see any likelihood of prioritising potential pilgrims - can you ? By county, I assume you mean country ?

What’s with the aggressive attitude? You made a statement that made no sense. Who said anything about jumping to the front of any queue? Why are you asking the question?

Also, what else would it mean other than a typo? Trying to pick people up on typos just makes you look like a bit of a tt.

[anonymous-user]

Electro1980 said:

purplepenguin said:

otolith said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

otolith said:

One man's "pushing against the MSM narrative" is another's "peddling dangerous lies"

Which is why free societies generally let people say their piece and let the public decide for themselves. If spreading lies is dangerous, having a few politicians deciding what the truth is and suppressing anything else is truly lethal.

What's that got to do with private companies like Twitter or YouTube deciding that it will not provide a platform to what it sees as irresponsible and dangerous liars?

Because those companies are so big and influential. They are basically censoring according to their own agenda.

Far better to let the loons say what they want ( actual incitement of violence excluded) and be shown to be loons.

“Let people have freedom of speech and let society decide”
Society “we have listened to your ideas. We have decided that are stupid and encouraging other stupid people to do stupid things”
“THATS SO UNFAIR!”.

“Society” = “twitter”?

[otolith]

I don't understand what the problem is. If they aren't vaccinated this year, they can go another time. It's not a requirement to do it every year, it's a once in a lifetime thing.

[Electro1980]

purplepenguin said:

“Society” = “twitter”?

It is a part of society. Or is your requirement that no one can criticise anything unless we are all in agreement?

[anonymous-user]

Electro1980 said:

purplepenguin said:

“Society” = “twitter”?

It is a part of society. Or is your requirement that no one can criticise anything unless we are all in agreement?

It’s not my requirement as I don’t de-platform people who don’t conform to the owners views

[Electro1980]

So, yes, you are upset that someone has been allowed to voice their opinion and part of society has listened and made up its mind, and that is “we don’t want you as part of our group”. I thought that was what was being asked for? Or are you one of those snowflakes that thinks that everyone should be included?

[anonymous-user]

Electro1980 said:

So, yes, you are upset that someone has been allowed to voice their opinion and part of society has listened and made up its mind, and that is “we don’t want you as part of our group”. I thought that was what was being asked for? Or are you one of those snowflakes that thinks that everyone should be included?

Maybe/maybe not

[Ian Geary]

wisbech said:

Up to a point - Mohammed himself basically said "Do all possible for yourself, then trust God"



•• Trust in Allah But Tie Your Camel ••

One day Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) noticed a Bedouin leaving his camel without tying it.

He asked the Bedouin, “Why don’t you tie down your camel?”
The Bedouin answered, “I placed my trust in Allah.”

At that, the Prophet (PBUH) said, “Tie your camel and place your trust in Allah” (Tirmidhi)

The lesson from this hadith is that we need to use all resources available to us to solve our problems, and then trust Allah for the outcome as “Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves.” (Qur'an 13.11)

So Allah wouldn't get the guy's untied camel back if it wandered off? Even though he's basically a god?

Tough lesson, but one I would go with.

And 1400 years later, we could read advice for people to "change what it in themselves" to mean: get the vaccine!

[otolith]

There’s a vicar’s joke about the man sitting on the roof of his house in a flood turning away the emergency services, “God will save me”. When he inevitably dies and asks God why he wasn’t saved God says “I sent a boat, a helicopter...” - same sort of thing.