Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
crankedup said:
sunbeam alpine said:
crankedup said:
roger.mellie said:
Another fishy Friday one ... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/03/04/bo...
Colour me cynical but I don't think a buy british campaign will make a blindest bit of difference in the grand scheme of things.
At least he's not being pushed to add mushy peas to the list too although it would appear they're more popular with some than they are with citizensm1th
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/food/articles-reports/...
Your right it won’t make the blindest bit of difference, a fish’n chip tsar Colour me cynical but I don't think a buy british campaign will make a blindest bit of difference in the grand scheme of things.
At least he's not being pushed to add mushy peas to the list too although it would appear they're more popular with some than they are with citizensm1th
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/food/articles-reports/...
Good job NickGnome isn’t posting today, he is not very complementary when it comes to good old fish’n chips, being more of a lobster kind of chap!
Bit of ‘a bummer’ that
His best friend calls him Colin apparently
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 5th March 16:57
crankedup said:
just imagine their sketches on tele now days, They were brilliantly funny and now much missed.Pete and Dud were, but I think Derek and Clive where audio ("Hello,
") and one video release only. would love to know if there is more video out there.
DeepEnd said:
JeffreyD said:
loafer123 said:
If the EU were willing to learn lessons on the ground and flex the implementation to make it work, the deal is fine. Having just listened to Arlene Foster on Today saying the EU's answer on the committee to the problem was "more protocol", it is clear they have no interest in making it work in the real world.
At least the fact that EU control our internal borders is now clear to us all. The EU are serious about maintaining SM integrity, solutions suggesting they turn a blind eye are nonsense and attempts to make them do so will be challenged. Not least because 27 other nations are looking on.
The UK are serious about wanting regulatory divergence, solutions suggesting they align with the EU e.g. in SPS standards won’t fly if that means the EU making the rules because they want the freedom to make agri deals with the US etc.
NI is both in the SM and the UK.
Square that circle!
I can think of a few solutions but not one that will be acceptable to all. A united ireland would work but not likely. The most likely is continued “special status” for NI and a few deals done through the JC to smooth out the more unintended problematic parts of the protocol. Ignoring the terms of the protocol is not happening. The uk could walk away from the whole EU deal they’ve spent years negotiating, which I’d not rule out as an intended plan given Frost’s recent actions, but I’d think it’s unlikely they’d do it solely over NI and that would just be a convenient excuse.
crankedup said:
Your right it won’t make the blindest bit of difference, a fish’n chip tsar
Good job NickGnome isn’t posting today, he is not very complementary when it comes to good old fish’n chips, being more of a lobster kind of chap!
Good job NickGnome isn’t posting today, he is not very complementary when it comes to good old fish’n chips, being more of a lobster kind of chap!
I think it’s beluga caviar served by an willowy Eastern European bird half his age for our Gnome
Thinking of Harry Enfield and the richer than yow sketch for some strange reason!
Edited by powerstroke on Friday 5th March 17:57
powerstroke said:
crankedup said:
Your right it won’t make the blindest bit of difference, a fish’n chip tsar
Good job NickGnome isn’t posting today, he is not very complementary when it comes to good old fish’n chips, being more of a lobster kind of chap!
Good job NickGnome isn’t posting today, he is not very complementary when it comes to good old fish’n chips, being more of a lobster kind of chap!
I think it’s beluga caviar served by an willowy Eastern European bird half his age for our Gnome
Thinking of Harry Enfield and the richer than yow sketch for some strange reason!
Edited by powerstroke on Friday 5th March 17:57
Is this levelling up?
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1367792552594...
£5Bn spend in UK down to £1.5Bn in infra spend form the new Brexit version.
Meanwhile - only the 52% - brexit voters - doing the heavy lifting then is it?
More evidence that it was perhaps a Tuna style remain vote.
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1367792552594...
£5Bn spend in UK down to £1.5Bn in infra spend form the new Brexit version.
Meanwhile - only the 52% - brexit voters - doing the heavy lifting then is it?
More evidence that it was perhaps a Tuna style remain vote.
DeepEnd said:
Is this levelling up?
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1367792552594...
£5Bn spend in UK down to £1.5Bn in infra spend form the new Brexit version.
Meanwhile - only the 52% - brexit voters - doing the heavy lifting then is it?
More evidence that it was perhaps a Tuna style remain vote.
Saw that earlier but didn’t feel qualified or read up on it enough to comment. First thought was the levelling up agenda is going as expected rather than as advertised.https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1367792552594...
£5Bn spend in UK down to £1.5Bn in infra spend form the new Brexit version.
Meanwhile - only the 52% - brexit voters - doing the heavy lifting then is it?
More evidence that it was perhaps a Tuna style remain vote.
roger.mellie said:
DeepEnd said:
Is this levelling up?
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1367792552594...
£5Bn spend in UK down to £1.5Bn in infra spend form the new Brexit version.
Meanwhile - only the 52% - brexit voters - doing the heavy lifting then is it?
More evidence that it was perhaps a Tuna style remain vote.
Saw that earlier but didn’t feel qualified or read up on it enough to comment. First thought was the levelling up agenda is going as expected rather than as advertised.https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1367792552594...
£5Bn spend in UK down to £1.5Bn in infra spend form the new Brexit version.
Meanwhile - only the 52% - brexit voters - doing the heavy lifting then is it?
More evidence that it was perhaps a Tuna style remain vote.
“ The UK Infrastructure Bank will complement the government’s other policy levers, infrastructure bodies such as the National Infrastructure Commission (NIC) and the Infrastructure and Projects Authority (IPA), and partner with the private sector and others to deliver the change and investment needed.”
It wouldn’t appear to be the only source of “levelling up” ?
It wouldn’t appear to be the only source of “levelling up” ?
loafer123 said:
roger.mellie said:
DeepEnd said:
Is this levelling up?
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1367792552594...
£5Bn spend in UK down to £1.5Bn in infra spend form the new Brexit version.
Meanwhile - only the 52% - brexit voters - doing the heavy lifting then is it?
More evidence that it was perhaps a Tuna style remain vote.
Saw that earlier but didn’t feel qualified or read up on it enough to comment. First thought was the levelling up agenda is going as expected rather than as advertised.https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1367792552594...
£5Bn spend in UK down to £1.5Bn in infra spend form the new Brexit version.
Meanwhile - only the 52% - brexit voters - doing the heavy lifting then is it?
More evidence that it was perhaps a Tuna style remain vote.
I’ve no strong opinions on the above story but I’ve mixed opinions between being dubious on the concept of state ran investment banks and view them as a potential slush fund channel, and taking a cynical view that a large drop in investment compared to its predecessor looks like more austerity rather than plans to level up.
roger.mellie said:
HS2 is something I struggle to give a toss about for similar reasons that no one in England will care about the Belfast to Derry road upgrade, it doesn’t affect me. But the history of both is one of politics rather than being purely about investment priorities as it’s always political when governments choose which regional links to improve, and more importantly which not to.
I’ve no strong opinions on the above story but I’ve mixed opinions between being dubious on the concept of state ran investment banks and view them as a potential slush fund channel, and taking a cynical view that a large drop in investment compared to its predecessor looks like more austerity rather than plans to level up.
It is of course hard to deduce exactly how this may relate to or indicate overall investment by the UK Govt - but the reporting of it being 147 times smaller than the German equivalent suggests we aren't necessarily seeing record levels of levelling up. I’ve no strong opinions on the above story but I’ve mixed opinions between being dubious on the concept of state ran investment banks and view them as a potential slush fund channel, and taking a cynical view that a large drop in investment compared to its predecessor looks like more austerity rather than plans to level up.
It is reportedly so small as to make no material difference to growth etc.
As such the fanfare of it being a great green springboard, and based in Leeds too, looks like a rather empty PR activity.
£1.5Bn is better than nothing, but it's far less than what seems to have been in place before.
Like the farmers looking at decimated subsidy payments, looks more like brexit austerity/fail than win.
loafer123 said:
So are they the same Freeports as we used to have or different?There's a lot of conflicting information out there.
loafer123 said:
roger.mellie said:
DeepEnd said:
Is this levelling up?
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1367792552594...
£5Bn spend in UK down to £1.5Bn in infra spend form the new Brexit version.
Meanwhile - only the 52% - brexit voters - doing the heavy lifting then is it?
More evidence that it was perhaps a Tuna style remain vote.
Saw that earlier but didn’t feel qualified or read up on it enough to comment. First thought was the levelling up agenda is going as expected rather than as advertised.https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1367792552594...
£5Bn spend in UK down to £1.5Bn in infra spend form the new Brexit version.
Meanwhile - only the 52% - brexit voters - doing the heavy lifting then is it?
More evidence that it was perhaps a Tuna style remain vote.
But a bit of quick Googling and ..
It seems we gave “an amount” to an EU bank of which we received back £5bn to spend in the U.K.
It’s difficult to see figures, strangely ( or not ) the EU blurb talks about what gets spent not where the money comes from, but it seems the U.K. contributed 16% of the funds to the EIB and held 39% of the risk, yet only received 8% of the funding from it
It seems the U.K. liability if it went boobs North was €149bn based on a contribution of €39bn
Clearly I’m not Stongle, but having that much investment and risk for €5bn of funding doesn’t to the uninitiated seem a great deal
Again, to the financially illiterate it seems like we put an awful lot more in than we got out
Perhaps a U.K. investment bank, that’s not funding 27 other countries doesn’t need so much investment for a similar or greater return for the U.K. ?
loafer123 said:
Does that say anything inconsistent with his concern - that they can help foreign importers to only see tariffs as they move/sell stock into the UK. It is quite easy to see how this could help them compete better with domestic producers, isn’t it?DeepEnd said:
loafer123 said:
Does that say anything inconsistent with his concern - that they can help foreign importers to only see tariffs as they move/sell stock into the UK. It is quite easy to see how this could help them compete better with domestic producers, isn’t it?turbobloke said:
DeepEnd said:
loafer123 said:
Does that say anything inconsistent with his concern - that they can help foreign importers to only see tariffs as they move/sell stock into the UK. It is quite easy to see how this could help them compete better with domestic producers, isn’t it?Good news
It's not as though some decidedly northern or not-very-southern locations in the bunch are set to benefit via job creation and regeneration activity, simpler planning, lower taxes including tax breaks to encourage construction and investment (enhanced capital allowance) and full business rates relief for all new business and existing businesses which are expanding. Employer NIC relief is on its way apparently. The guy on the radio doesn't want competition from anywhere - dreamworld and a great remainerist punt. There's a minor downside relating to domestic relocation but business rates relief for new businesses sends a clear signal.
It's not as though some decidedly northern or not-very-southern locations in the bunch are set to benefit via job creation and regeneration activity, simpler planning, lower taxes including tax breaks to encourage construction and investment (enhanced capital allowance) and full business rates relief for all new business and existing businesses which are expanding. Employer NIC relief is on its way apparently. The guy on the radio doesn't want competition from anywhere - dreamworld and a great remainerist punt. There's a minor downside relating to domestic relocation but business rates relief for new businesses sends a clear signal.
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