Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 2)

[paulrockliffe]

Iminquarantine said:

Brexiters seem to count the vaccination program (which the U.K. is doing very well) as a success story of Brexit. Even though what the U.K. has done could have been done while a member of the EU. So even if they don’t go together except in the heads of the misinformed, maybe it is time to do a cost comparison of the £37 bn Test and Trace cost.

Test and Trace: £37 billion.

Entire defence budget: £38 bn. Just slightly more than Test and Trace.

Entire police budget: £18 bn. Less than half of Test and Trace.

Crossrail rail project, £18 bn, after cost overruns. Half the cost of Test and Trace.


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/298637/united-...


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/08/cr...

Edited by Iminquarantine on Tuesday 9th March 15:58

I noticed that you managed to call it test and trace rather than track and trace as on your other posts. Not sure what test and trace has got to do with Brexit, but while we're here I have a couple of questions; do you know what a COVID test costs? The booking, delivery of, return post, testing, publishing the result. Plus the testing centres etc etc. Do you know how many tests have been carried out?

How much do you think test and trace should have cost?

[anonymous-user]

citizensm1th said:

digimeistter said:

Looks like France is about to be bypassed.

'Transport Secretary Grant Shapps says that hauliers to the Netherlands will not need to take Covid tests from 16 March, if they have spent less than 48 hours in the UK.

Shapps tweets that it is "good news" and says it will ease the movement of freight and goods.

The transport secretary says the change is due to the UK's Covid rate being below France, Germany, Belgium and Holland.'

What's been the Dutch reaction to that little gem

Ask them, looks like they were involved in the decision

[citizensm1th]

digimeistter said:

citizensm1th said:

digimeistter said:

Looks like France is about to be bypassed.

'Transport Secretary Grant Shapps says that hauliers to the Netherlands will not need to take Covid tests from 16 March, if they have spent less than 48 hours in the UK.

Shapps tweets that it is "good news" and says it will ease the movement of freight and goods.

The transport secretary says the change is due to the UK's Covid rate being below France, Germany, Belgium and Holland.'

What's been the Dutch reaction to that little gem

Ask them, looks like they were involved in the decision

That's why I asked as you framed your statement as if it was the tt shapps pronouncing again

[Fittster]

": The government is planning to revive shellfish exports by the winter by building purification sites across the UK, George Eustice tells me

He said DEFRA would use the £100m fishing fund to set up facilities if the EU doesn't change its rules"


https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/governme...

Yay, so that's a £100m hit for the taxpayer and if people working in the industry to be believed, it might be £100m wasted.



"Your shellfish might be at risk of dying after depuration and long delays at port. Shellfish can struggle with the stress of being depurated so are relaid, unpurified, in A grade waters in the EU so they can be sold straight out of the sea. They are depurated too but..."

[anonymous-user]

citizensm1th said:

digimeistter said:

citizensm1th said:

digimeistter said:

Looks like France is about to be bypassed.

'Transport Secretary Grant Shapps says that hauliers to the Netherlands will not need to take Covid tests from 16 March, if they have spent less than 48 hours in the UK.

Shapps tweets that it is "good news" and says it will ease the movement of freight and goods.

The transport secretary says the change is due to the UK's Covid rate being below France, Germany, Belgium and Holland.'

What's been the Dutch reaction to that little gem

Ask them, looks like they were involved in the decision

That's why I asked as you framed your statement as if it was the tt shapps pronouncing again

It wasn't my statement.

and you're right, it was

[DeepEnd]

Fittster said:

": The government is planning to revive shellfish exports by the winter by building purification sites across the UK, George Eustice tells me

He said DEFRA would use the £100m fishing fund to set up facilities if the EU doesn't change its rules"


https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/governme...

Yay, so that's a £100m hit for the taxpayer and if people working in the industry to be believed, it might be £100m wasted.



"Your shellfish might be at risk of dying after depuration and long delays at port. Shellfish can struggle with the stress of being depurated so are relaid, unpurified, in A grade waters in the EU so they can be sold straight out of the sea. They are depurated too but..."

The EU must be laughing their whatsits off as they make us waste our money like this.

Will this open the floodgates to more begging bowls? It’s all a bit state aid / BL / tractor production.

Is there a brexit question on the census - perhaps we can just make brexiters pay for this waste.

[turbobloke]

DeepEnd said:

Fittster said:

": The government is planning to revive shellfish exports by the winter by building purification sites across the UK, George Eustice tells me

He said DEFRA would use the £100m fishing fund to set up facilities if the EU doesn't change its rules"


https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/governme...

Yay, so that's a £100m hit for the taxpayer and if people working in the industry to be believed, it might be £100m wasted.



"Your shellfish might be at risk of dying after depuration and long delays at port. Shellfish can struggle with the stress of being depurated so are relaid, unpurified, in A grade waters in the EU so they can be sold straight out of the sea. They are depurated too but..."

The EU must be laughing their whatsits off as they make us waste our money like this.

They look smart, dignified and reasonable if they're laughing their tits off? They're an appalling bunch of self-aggrandising arrogant mediocrity, no doubt about it.

[DeepEnd]

turbobloke said:

They look smart, dignified and reasonable if they're laughing their tits off? They're an appalling bunch of self-aggrandising arrogant mediocrity, no doubt about it.

They won't be actually laughing of course - that is just a figure of speech - but you knew that.

More likely just shaking their heads at the illogical cul-de-sac the UK has driven itself into into, while the cheerleaders continue to lie to their delusional followers.

I know calling the EU names gives you some solace but the egg really is all over the brexity faces here.

[turbobloke]

DeepEnd said:

turbobloke said:

They look smart, dignified and reasonable if they're laughing their tits off? They're an appalling bunch of self-aggrandising arrogant mediocrity, no doubt about it.

They won't be actually laughing of course - that is just a figure of speech - but you knew that.

More likely just shaking their heads at the illogical cul-de-sac the UK has driven itself into into, while the cheerleaders continue to lie to their delusional followers.

I know calling the EU names gives you some solace but the egg really is all over the brexity faces here.

"The blazing row came after Mr Michel attacked the UK in a desperate attempt to deflect from global fury.."

Lies and desperation born from accomplished failure. The EU would be even more of a global laughing stock right now if it wasn't for the very serious consequences of their failure.

[jonnyb]

turbobloke said:

DeepEnd said:

turbobloke said:

They look smart, dignified and reasonable if they're laughing their tits off? They're an appalling bunch of self-aggrandising arrogant mediocrity, no doubt about it.

They won't be actually laughing of course - that is just a figure of speech - but you knew that.

More likely just shaking their heads at the illogical cul-de-sac the UK has driven itself into into, while the cheerleaders continue to lie to their delusional followers.

I know calling the EU names gives you some solace but the egg really is all over the brexity faces here.

"The blazing row came after Mr Michel attacked the UK in a desperate attempt to deflect from global fury.."

Lies and desperation born from accomplished failure. The EU would be even more of a global laughing stock right now if it wasn't for the very serious consequences of their failure.

Because the U.K. is doing so well, with one of the highest death rates, and the worst economic performance of any G7 nation.

Lies and desperation born from accomplished failure.

[turbobloke]

jonnyb said:

turbobloke said:

DeepEnd said:

turbobloke said:

They look smart, dignified and reasonable if they're laughing their tits off? They're an appalling bunch of self-aggrandising arrogant mediocrity, no doubt about it.

They won't be actually laughing of course - that is just a figure of speech - but you knew that.

More likely just shaking their heads at the illogical cul-de-sac the UK has driven itself into into, while the cheerleaders continue to lie to their delusional followers.

I know calling the EU names gives you some solace but the egg really is all over the brexity faces here.

"The blazing row came after Mr Michel attacked the UK in a desperate attempt to deflect from global fury.."

Lies and desperation born from accomplished failure. The EU would be even more of a global laughing stock right now if it wasn't for the very serious consequences of their failure.

Because the U.K. is doing so well, with one of the highest death rates, and the worst economic performance of any G7 nation.

Comparisons between countries based on headline numbers is propaganda pure and simple, with the emphasis on simple.

Lockdowns damage economies that's for sure, just as the EU is a laughing stock with fury to go, as per the link.

[jonnyb]

turbobloke said:

jonnyb said:

turbobloke said:

DeepEnd said:

turbobloke said:

They look smart, dignified and reasonable if they're laughing their tits off? They're an appalling bunch of self-aggrandising arrogant mediocrity, no doubt about it.

They won't be actually laughing of course - that is just a figure of speech - but you knew that.

More likely just shaking their heads at the illogical cul-de-sac the UK has driven itself into into, while the cheerleaders continue to lie to their delusional followers.

I know calling the EU names gives you some solace but the egg really is all over the brexity faces here.

"The blazing row came after Mr Michel attacked the UK in a desperate attempt to deflect from global fury.."

Lies and desperation born from accomplished failure. The EU would be even more of a global laughing stock right now if it wasn't for the very serious consequences of their failure.

Because the U.K. is doing so well, with one of the highest death rates, and the worst economic performance of any G7 nation.

Comparisons between countries based on headline numbers is propaganda pure and simple, with the emphasis on simple.

Lockdowns damage economies that's for sure, just as the EU is a laughing stock with fury to go, as per the link.

You really couldn’t make it up!

The fact that the U.K. government has failed miserably in this pandemic by any conceivable measure is now classed as “propaganda” by the Brexit ultras!

It would be hilariously funny if it wasn’t so tragic.

[powerstroke]

jonnyb said:

You really couldn’t make it up!

The fact that the U.K. government has failed miserably in this pandemic by any conceivable measure is now classed as “propaganda” by the Brexit ultras!

It would be hilariously funny if it wasn’t so tragic.

Yep still locked down despite the vaccine And the figures,.....
mind it seems that bellend that” leads” the Labour Party and the unions want the lockdown to last forever ...
oh well onward and upward...

[DeepEnd]

Friday Hors D'oeuvres

Trade figures - Jan 2021

German exports to EU - down 6%
German exports to RoW - down 10%
German exports to UK - down 29%

UK exports to Germany - down 56%

UK exports to Italy - 70% drop

Some of it due to stockpiling - yep
Some of it due to cv19 - yep
Some of it teething issues - yep
Some of it baked in brexit damage .....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/09/uk...

Also new "Erasmus" not so good for poor kids, who could have guessed!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/era...

https://twitter.com/maxfras/status/136891349030870...

Edited by DeepEnd on Tuesday 9th March 21:40

[powerstroke]

DeepEnd said:

Friday Hors D'oeuvres

Trade figures - Jan 2021

German exports to EU - down 6%
German exports to RoW - down 10%
German exports to UK - down 29%

UK exports to Germany - down 56%

UK exports to Italy - 70% drop

Some of it due to stockpiling - yep
Some of it due to cv19 - yep
Some of it teething issues - yep
Some of it baked in brexit damage .....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/09/uk...

Also new "Erasmus" not so good for poor kids, who could have guessed!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/era...

All looks good to me , we as a company are doing less with Germany rest of EU and more with the States and the pacific rim ,
And as for Erasmus replacement . good !!!they can leave school at 16 and do all the jobs that migrants did , good for the economy , balance of trade and the benefits system...
Sorry can’t take you post too seriously due to the source of the links ,3/10 !!

[barryrs]

It’s pretty difficult to tell on my phone but the ONS data doesn’t look too bad.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindustryandtrade/in...

[DeepEnd]

barryrs said:

It’s pretty difficult to tell on my phone but the ONS data doesn’t look too bad.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindustryandtrade/in...

Jan 2020?

[sunbeam alpine]

barryrs said:

It’s pretty difficult to tell on my phone but the ONS data doesn’t look too bad.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindustryandtrade/in...

I could be wrong but isn't that for last year?

ETA - too slow!

Edited by sunbeam alpine on Tuesday 9th March 22:14

[barryrs]

DeepEnd said:

barryrs said:

It’s pretty difficult to tell on my phone but the ONS data doesn’t look too bad.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/businessindustryandtrade/in...

Jan 2020?

Said it was difficult to tell on my phone


What a doughnut!

[Murph7355]

DeepEnd said:

Friday Hors D'oeuvres

Trade figures - Jan 2021

German exports to EU - down 6%
German exports to RoW - down 10%
German exports to UK - down 29%

UK exports to Germany - down 56%

UK exports to Italy - 70% drop

Some of it due to stockpiling - yep
Some of it due to cv19 - yep
Some of it teething issues - yep
Some of it baked in brexit damage ........

Does it say what the values for the "yep" bits are? And also what the figures for RoW or even rEU are?

Figures all round will be interesting....but do we think the first month after fully leaving is representative of anything?