Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Wills2 said:
More dreadful news today regarding farming and fishing Brexit really has screwed the poster boys of Brexit, in one piece on the news they interview a bee importer who cannot get the bees into the country he's spent 300k on them, he voted leave and said he'd been had and lied to as he said if we don't have the bees we won't have crops...
What an utter s
t storm the leavers have created, the sooner CV-19 is dealt with the better as that "fog" will lift and the scope of the real failure will be revealed.
Yep.What an utter s
t storm the leavers have created, the sooner CV-19 is dealt with the better as that "fog" will lift and the scope of the real failure will be revealed. From 16:30 - channel 4 news 24 Feb
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/channel-4-news...
One of the things that really shows the politicians had no idea what they were really doing and what the impact would be is that Starmer & co actually voted in support of this and has opted to keep quiet - for now at least. Yes, it was to avoid a no deal but even so.
Interesting insight into the bee market. £300,000 worth of bees, imported from Italy - the keeper (brexit voter now livid, sold a lie etc.) but looking to get the bees into the UK via Eire, NI, then UK. And they appear critical for pollination of our fruit industry - so many links.
Pig farmer sales down 50%, thinks he'll lose £300k this year and thinks 15% of his industry will fold at this rate.
Cheese bloke cheesed off.
Edited by DeepEnd on Wednesday 24th February 22:35
Wills2 said:
More dreadful news today regarding farming and fishing Brexit really has screwed the poster boys of Brexit, in one piece on the news they interview a bee importer who cannot get the bees into the country he's spent 300k on them, he voted leave and said he'd been had and lied to as he said if we don't have the bees we won't have crops...
What an utter st storm the leavers have created, the sooner CV-19 is dealt with the better as that "fog" will lift and the scope of the real failure will be revealed.
suppose we take your outlook and brexit turns out to be terrible,at least in the short term. what do you expect to happen ?What an utter s
t storm the leavers have created, the sooner CV-19 is dealt with the better as that "fog" will lift and the scope of the real failure will be revealed. wc98 said:
suppose we take your outlook and brexit turns out to be terrible,at least in the short term. what do you expect to happen ?
Growing resentment of people that voted leave - or at least those that sold the lie? Best not to have contempt for the conned as they say. Maybe a push for change and improvement in our crippled for no reason EU relationship?
What do you think will happen?
DeepEnd said:
Growing resentment of people that voted leave - or at least those that sold the lie? Best not to have contempt for the conned as they say.
Maybe a push for change and improvement in our crippled for no reason EU relationship?
What do you think will happen?
i think the current issues will rapidly be resolved once covid is seen as under control or at least it's effect on business across the globe is minimised. those currently having problems will have to pressure politicians to get these issues resolved. Maybe a push for change and improvement in our crippled for no reason EU relationship?
What do you think will happen?
Wills2 said:
More dreadful news today regarding farming and fishing Brexit really has screwed the poster boys of Brexit, in one piece on the news they interview a bee importer who cannot get the bees into the country he's spent 300k on them, he voted leave and said he'd been had and lied to as he said if we don't have the bees we won't have crops.
No crops? Bees have had a torrid time with the parasite and more besides, however, unless species of moth, butterfly, hoverfly, fly, beetle and wasp (not just the ones that fall in beer) are all hit hard at the same time, crop and other pollination won't stop, no crops is ott. In the USA it's particularly affecting apples, blueberries and cherries,.apparently. There's good work going on, supporting bees.
What's getting screwed is a sense of proportion in certain quarters; various personal stakes being involved it's partly understandable.
wc98 said:
i think the current issues will rapidly be resolved once covid is seen as under control or at least it's effect on business across the globe is minimised. those currently having problems will have to pressure politicians to get these issues resolved.
Many tried to pressure the govt to get a deal with good EU trade access but they were ignored. What makes you think they’ll listen now?DeepEnd said:
Many tried to pressure the govt to get a deal with good EU trade access but they were ignored. What makes you think they’ll listen now?
the devil was in the detail. given how complex most issues involving rules/laws are these days i feel it was always going to come down to addressing individual issues as they arose. I suppose it depends what you wanted to achieve?
Let's see what happens from June onwards once Brexit really kicks in.
A united Ireland is much more likely than Scotland breaking away from the UK imho.
Oddly enough a united Ireland solves a lot of Brexit problems.
If only BoJo had listened to Sir Ivan Rogers - he had the outcome sorted a year before Frosty and co.
Let's see what happens from June onwards once Brexit really kicks in.
A united Ireland is much more likely than Scotland breaking away from the UK imho.
Oddly enough a united Ireland solves a lot of Brexit problems.
If only BoJo had listened to Sir Ivan Rogers - he had the outcome sorted a year before Frosty and co.
crankedup said:
Expect the business in Italy selling bees into the U.K. is as miffed as the buyer. At what point do we
suggest that the EU is working against trading. Seems counter productive to apply regulations which achieve loss of sales. I couldn’t get to see the argument details unfortunately
The way I read it the we have banned the import of the Bees. The EU is not banking their export.suggest that the EU is working against trading. Seems counter productive to apply regulations which achieve loss of sales. I couldn’t get to see the argument details unfortunately
But just for added Brexit he could import from the EU to one part of the UK but not to another part.
Who knew.
Post-Brexit trade: Boris Johnson calls for eat British fish campaign
Boris Johnson believes a campaign to encourage people to eat British-caught fish could help the industry combat post-Brexit disruption.
The prime minister backed calls for a campaign in a video conference with Conservative MPs from coastal areas.
He also promised to do more to address concerns about quotas and the ban on shellfish exports to the EU.
Labour said it also wanted people to eat more British fish - but that in itself would not save the industry.
Industry leaders have accused the government of being "in denial" about the scale of the problems facing it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56187066
The simpler times Brexiters hark back to, the government calling for consumers to 'Buy British' to prop up a failing industry.
The fishing industry turned into a modern day British Leyland.
Boris Johnson believes a campaign to encourage people to eat British-caught fish could help the industry combat post-Brexit disruption.
The prime minister backed calls for a campaign in a video conference with Conservative MPs from coastal areas.
He also promised to do more to address concerns about quotas and the ban on shellfish exports to the EU.
Labour said it also wanted people to eat more British fish - but that in itself would not save the industry.
Industry leaders have accused the government of being "in denial" about the scale of the problems facing it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56187066
The simpler times Brexiters hark back to, the government calling for consumers to 'Buy British' to prop up a failing industry.
The fishing industry turned into a modern day British Leyland.
FourGears said:
I suppose it depends what you wanted to achieve?
Let's see what happens from June onwards once Brexit really kicks in.
A united Ireland is much more likely than Scotland breaking away from the UK imho.
Oddly enough a united Ireland solves a lot of Brexit problems.
If only BoJo had listened to Sir Ivan Rogers - he had the outcome sorted a year before Frosty and co.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/ivan-rogers-brexit-ongoing-michel-gove-david-frost-cabinet-officeLet's see what happens from June onwards once Brexit really kicks in.
A united Ireland is much more likely than Scotland breaking away from the UK imho.
Oddly enough a united Ireland solves a lot of Brexit problems.
If only BoJo had listened to Sir Ivan Rogers - he had the outcome sorted a year before Frosty and co.
Ivan talks in the link about it not only being a long running negotiation, but also squashes any optimistic view on solving the structural problems in the deal quickly.
Face the shock he says. Bit grim.
Edited by DeepEnd on Wednesday 24th February 23:56
Fittster said:
Post-Brexit trade: Boris Johnson calls for eat British fish campaign
Boris Johnson believes a campaign to encourage people to eat British-caught fish could help the industry combat post-Brexit disruption.
The prime minister backed calls for a campaign in a video conference with Conservative MPs from coastal areas.
He also promised to do more to address concerns about quotas and the ban on shellfish exports to the EU.
Labour said it also wanted people to eat more British fish - but that in itself would not save the industry.
Industry leaders have accused the government of being "in denial" about the scale of the problems facing it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56187066
The simpler times Brexiters hark back to, the government calling for consumers to 'Buy British' to prop up a failing industry.
The fishing industry turned into a modern day British Leyland.
British Leyland was a sBoris Johnson believes a campaign to encourage people to eat British-caught fish could help the industry combat post-Brexit disruption.
The prime minister backed calls for a campaign in a video conference with Conservative MPs from coastal areas.
He also promised to do more to address concerns about quotas and the ban on shellfish exports to the EU.
Labour said it also wanted people to eat more British fish - but that in itself would not save the industry.
Industry leaders have accused the government of being "in denial" about the scale of the problems facing it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56187066
The simpler times Brexiters hark back to, the government calling for consumers to 'Buy British' to prop up a failing industry.
The fishing industry turned into a modern day British Leyland.
t product, they died.Iminquarantine said:
Groat said:
Anyone watching C4 news right now? (19.17) (bees cheese and big fat pigs)
That wasn't jawflapping egotripping city suit knowall bullstters. That was agribusiness people. 
Ironically one of them (bee guy) said he'd been a diehard quitter. Flippin' fumin' he is now
Didn’t see it. Do tell what went on?That wasn't jawflapping egotripping city suit knowall bulls
tters. That was agribusiness people. Ironically one of them (bee guy) said he'd been a diehard quitter. Flippin' fumin' he is now
Edited by Groat on Wednesday 24th February 19:42
Well worth a look. 3 real agribusiness people exemplifying typical negative issues 10s of 1000s of others in many industries and occupations (both in the UK and the EU) must also be experiencing. And of course the negative spreads through their workforces and ancillaries etc etc so in the end it runs to millions impacted and affected including, of course, their customers.
On a completely different sector, I was chatting today with a pal who works with promoters of national, european and world tours for bands of all sizes. Obviously he's hardly turned a coin for almost a year now, including not a penny in UK. But he reckons once lockdown is over and normal service is restored a European tour is going to involve TEN TIMES the amount of bureaucracy it did pre-Brexit, with all the commensurate delay and hurdle-jumping that'll bring with it. Sadly the biggest hurdles will be for the smallest acts, so the days of 4 guys living out of a transit doing 20 gigs in 30 days round the EU are probably numbered.
Edited by Groat on Wednesday 24th February 23:54
Groat said:
Sadly the biggest hurdles will be for the smallest acts, so the days of 4 guys living out of a transit doing 20 gigs in 30 days round the EU are probably numbered.
Oh well, I developed a liking for non-English European pop music a while back after a Lufthansa and Air France flight. Groat said:
Sadly the biggest hurdles will be for the smallest acts, so the days of 4 guys living out of a transit doing 20 gigs in 30 days round the EU are probably numbered.
This was discussed on here a while ago to general disinterest. Then a bizarre series of posts about work permits.
In the end, people don't seem to care - the minister has already said the government were aware of the issue but they didn't think an exemption was in keeping with the manifesto committments to control the borders.
So there we have it.
FourGears said:
Let's see what happens from June onwards once Brexit really kicks in.
A united Ireland is much more likely than Scotland breaking away from the UK imho.
Oddly enough a united Ireland solves a lot of Brexit problems.
Unless - and even if - current events in Scotland implode the SNP, Independent Scotland is PROBABLY now the will of the majority here. There are many non-voters or non-SNP voters who also support independence, and a large pro-EU majority too. A united Ireland is much more likely than Scotland breaking away from the UK imho.
Oddly enough a united Ireland solves a lot of Brexit problems.
Like United Ireland, Independent Scotland has been turbocharged by Brexit. And the medium term looks likely to be one of close alliance between United Ireland and Independent Scotland with both willing EU members and participants.
England's going to be left like a crazy old uncle at a family party telling stories of a past no-one's interested in, while everyone else dances and mingles and tries to avoid being collared by the desiccated old tosser. He was only ever interested in himself anyway, so he's best left to it.
Edited by Groat on Thursday 25th February 00:25
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