Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Coolbananas said:
F1GTRUeno said:
When you have such a binary choice for a vote then the divide will be binary.
Ultimately Brexiteers have to prove that Brexit is a success otherwise those that didn't vote for it are always going to kick up a fuss because as simple as it is, they didn't choose it and didn't want it.
You can moan and complain that Remainers don't just get with the program but the sentiment and bitterness on both sides makes such a thing almost an impossibility and as said, it has to be proven to Remainers that a choice they didn't choose is a success before we'd even countenance an admission of 'okay, well done'.
If Brexit is a successful choice and Britain blooms I will gladly say well done but I'm not gonna pretend to accept it or like it just because Brexiteers tell me to get over it.
It irreversably changed the course of the country so it's not a surprise that many are going to remain unhappy with that change is it? The biggest vote of any of our lives and we're supposed to carry on like it didn't matter because our choice didn't come out on top? Nah sorry. It's as big to the course of this country as Henry VIII splitting from the Cathoilic Church and we know how that turned out at home and abroad.
Call it childish, call it playground mentality, but this is politics and life in 2021. Extremes and nothing in the middle. It's very much a 'supporting a team' game now so wins and losses matter and nothing of bringing the country together.
Indeed. Ultimately Brexiteers have to prove that Brexit is a success otherwise those that didn't vote for it are always going to kick up a fuss because as simple as it is, they didn't choose it and didn't want it.
You can moan and complain that Remainers don't just get with the program but the sentiment and bitterness on both sides makes such a thing almost an impossibility and as said, it has to be proven to Remainers that a choice they didn't choose is a success before we'd even countenance an admission of 'okay, well done'.
If Brexit is a successful choice and Britain blooms I will gladly say well done but I'm not gonna pretend to accept it or like it just because Brexiteers tell me to get over it.
It irreversably changed the course of the country so it's not a surprise that many are going to remain unhappy with that change is it? The biggest vote of any of our lives and we're supposed to carry on like it didn't matter because our choice didn't come out on top? Nah sorry. It's as big to the course of this country as Henry VIII splitting from the Cathoilic Church and we know how that turned out at home and abroad.
Call it childish, call it playground mentality, but this is politics and life in 2021. Extremes and nothing in the middle. It's very much a 'supporting a team' game now so wins and losses matter and nothing of bringing the country together.
The inconvenient truth for the die-hard extremist Brexiters is this: they have to be able to demonstrate a clear and genuine advantage of leaving the EU for a majority of Britons.
Not just getting to a similar position economically but a definite win for Britain for most that replaces all the advantages of being in the EU…
They need to keep a majority on-board. Otherwise, a democratic campaign will inevitably take the UK back into the EU, joining us here, accepting of our Euro and everything we intend the EU to be.
That notion really distresses them and is spoiling their win, hence their reaction to any negative Brexit-related news. This is the new Great Fear among the Brexiters. They have to deliver and they will try to coerce Remainers into joining their Cause, naturally.
Remainers, meanwhile who have already lit the flames for a return Campaign, will keep pointing out where Brexit is not delivering. This is Democracy in action. Leavers will hate it. They will wail and rage but unless they deliver upon their promises and prove their case, they will lose in the end and their exercise in isolation will be ultimately defeated – because a more Globally-inclusive, integrated Generation who did not want Brexit wants to overturn a relatively short-lived Brexit victory.
It won’t take 30 years either if Brexiters cannot deliver…the exit is fresh, if it doesn’t provide quick wins, it will be soon seen as a failure and you could be back with us within 10 years.
Yeah, Brexiters want to close the divide, don't let them.
Remainers can win this - Brexit was built upon lies and the cracks are there for all to see that it will struggle to deliver its grand promises. If you genuinely believe that, then you will never be able to move on. If you are trolling, well.....
Suffice to say, the squirming of remainers is delicious. At first, we could never achieve the same economic benefits as being in the EU. Now it is similar economically is not good enough
If we can achieve similar economically without being in the EU, what on Earth would the point of the EU be? None, that's what.
The vaccine debacle in the EU is more than enough to demonstrate how Brexit will benefit us now and in the future.
Still, continue with your echo chamber chaps, it is good to keep you all corralled in the one place whilst the grown ups get on with things.
turbobloke said:
crankedup said:
SlimJim16v said:
Just found out that there's a Rejoin EU party 
And the chap behind it for its U.K. launch - none other than the war mongering snake oil salesman T.B. Credibility destroyed from the off
Given the LibDems get more than one vote, this new Party risks splitting it. If so, they'd go from the current position of nowhere to a new position beyond oblivion.
Rejoining is the remainer dream, however, the EU would be unlikely to accept our application on anything other than punitive terms, and the Uk would be unlikely to accept that. Basically, forget it, though I appreciate it will take remainers at least another 57 months to do so.
crankedup said:
If the EU hadn’t morphed into a giant political organisation with Federal ambition the U.K. would almost certainly still be in the EU. The Common Market disappeared decades back btw.
Many of the EU trading regulations are based upon protectionism of the fellow EU members. What I am pointing out is that those same regulations are hurting the people that they are designed to protect!
I fully agree that the membership of the EU came with downsides, that’s why UK decided to leave, the downsides outweigh the benefits.
Trade deals are what= ales the World go around, unfortunately the EU have conflated trade with political dogma way outside simple trading. It is this political dogma which is hurting its own member Country people, I wouldn’t expect Macron to care about his fishermen any more than Johnson cares about the U.K. fishermen.
eta if politicians cannot resolve these trading issues then why are they holding politicians seats.
That's another reocurring Brexiteer fan favorite; pretending that the Brexit referendum was a process based on rational decision making where every voter was fully and honestly informed. And all that in the Tabloid democracy that the UK is, nobody believes that nonsense.Many of the EU trading regulations are based upon protectionism of the fellow EU members. What I am pointing out is that those same regulations are hurting the people that they are designed to protect!
I fully agree that the membership of the EU came with downsides, that’s why UK decided to leave, the downsides outweigh the benefits.
Trade deals are what= ales the World go around, unfortunately the EU have conflated trade with political dogma way outside simple trading. It is this political dogma which is hurting its own member Country people, I wouldn’t expect Macron to care about his fishermen any more than Johnson cares about the U.K. fishermen.
eta if politicians cannot resolve these trading issues then why are they holding politicians seats.
Remember the big red bus, the fisherman who've been made promises, farmer sibsidies, etc.
The UK didn't decide to leave because the benefits outweighed the downsides; looking at the situation the UK is in currently (5 years of a political mess/Scotland independance/Ireland/trade friction) you can only conclude that Brexit so far has been a disaster.
Edited by DeltonaS on Thursday 15th April 22:50
DeltonaS said:
crankedup said:
If the EU hadn’t morphed into a giant political organisation with Federal ambition the U.K. would almost certainly still be in the EU. The Common Market disappeared decades back btw.
Many of the EU trading regulations are based upon protectionism of the fellow EU members. What I am pointing out is that those same regulations are hurting the people that they are designed to protect!
I fully agree that the membership of the EU came with downsides, that’s why UK decided to leave, the downsides outweigh the benefits.
Trade deals are what= ales the World go around, unfortunately the EU have conflated trade with political dogma way outside simple trading. It is this political dogma which is hurting its own member Country people, I wouldn’t expect Macron to care about his fishermen any more than Johnson cares about the U.K. fishermen.
eta if politicians cannot resolve these trading issues then why are they holding politicians seats.
That's another reocurring Brexiteer fan favorite; pretending that the Brexit referendum was a process based on rational decision making where every voter was fully and honestly informed. And all that in the Tabloid democracy that the UK is, nobody believes that nonsense.Many of the EU trading regulations are based upon protectionism of the fellow EU members. What I am pointing out is that those same regulations are hurting the people that they are designed to protect!
I fully agree that the membership of the EU came with downsides, that’s why UK decided to leave, the downsides outweigh the benefits.
Trade deals are what= ales the World go around, unfortunately the EU have conflated trade with political dogma way outside simple trading. It is this political dogma which is hurting its own member Country people, I wouldn’t expect Macron to care about his fishermen any more than Johnson cares about the U.K. fishermen.
eta if politicians cannot resolve these trading issues then why are they holding politicians seats.
Remember the big red bus, the fisherman who've been made promises, farmer sibsidies, etc.
The UK didn't decide to leave because the benefits outweighed the downsides; looking at the situation the UK is in currently (5 years of a political mess/Scotland independance/Ireland/trade friction) you can only conclude that Brexit so far has been a disaster.
Edited by DeltonaS on Thursday 15th April 22:50
DeltonaS said:
That's another reocurring Brexiteer fan favorite; pretending that the Brexit referendum was a process based on rational decision making where every voter was fully and honestly informed. And all that in the Tabloid democracy that the UK is, nobody believes that nonsense.
Remember the big red bus, the fisherman who've been made promises, farmer sibsidies, etc.
The UK didn't decide to leave because the benefits outweighed the downsides; looking at the situation the UK is in currently (5 years of a political mess/Scotland independance/Ireland/trade friction) you can only conclude that Brexit so far has been a disaster.
Have you not seen all the videos of the Brexit fishermen saying that hobbling their business was worth it for the contentment of dealing with swarming invaders? They knew full well that these invaders were a net benefit to the nation - in many cases essential to their business - but crucially there was some thin evidence that in some cases they had basically a non-material impact on wages. Remember the big red bus, the fisherman who've been made promises, farmer sibsidies, etc.
The UK didn't decide to leave because the benefits outweighed the downsides; looking at the situation the UK is in currently (5 years of a political mess/Scotland independance/Ireland/trade friction) you can only conclude that Brexit so far has been a disaster.
Hence they fully understand that the risk of one or even many sectors of the UK economy crashing off a cliff just simply cannot hold the nation to hostage when 0.2% of the wage of maybe some unskilled workers (likely in many cases to better themselves in any case) is the prize on offer. That and taking back control to repeal EU laws that absolutely no-one can list or actually justify. Probably so we can have British hoovers. From Singapore.
crankedup said:
DeltonaS said:
crankedup said:
If the EU hadn’t morphed into a giant political organisation with Federal ambition the U.K. would almost certainly still be in the EU. The Common Market disappeared decades back btw.
Many of the EU trading regulations are based upon protectionism of the fellow EU members. What I am pointing out is that those same regulations are hurting the people that they are designed to protect!
I fully agree that the membership of the EU came with downsides, that’s why UK decided to leave, the downsides outweigh the benefits.
Trade deals are what= ales the World go around, unfortunately the EU have conflated trade with political dogma way outside simple trading. It is this political dogma which is hurting its own member Country people, I wouldn’t expect Macron to care about his fishermen any more than Johnson cares about the U.K. fishermen.
eta if politicians cannot resolve these trading issues then why are they holding politicians seats.
That's another reocurring Brexiteer fan favorite; pretending that the Brexit referendum was a process based on rational decision making where every voter was fully and honestly informed. And all that in the Tabloid democracy that the UK is, nobody believes that nonsense.Many of the EU trading regulations are based upon protectionism of the fellow EU members. What I am pointing out is that those same regulations are hurting the people that they are designed to protect!
I fully agree that the membership of the EU came with downsides, that’s why UK decided to leave, the downsides outweigh the benefits.
Trade deals are what= ales the World go around, unfortunately the EU have conflated trade with political dogma way outside simple trading. It is this political dogma which is hurting its own member Country people, I wouldn’t expect Macron to care about his fishermen any more than Johnson cares about the U.K. fishermen.
eta if politicians cannot resolve these trading issues then why are they holding politicians seats.
Remember the big red bus, the fisherman who've been made promises, farmer sibsidies, etc.
The UK didn't decide to leave because the benefits outweighed the downsides; looking at the situation the UK is in currently (5 years of a political mess/Scotland independance/Ireland/trade friction) you can only conclude that Brexit so far has been a disaster.
crankedup said:
DeltonaS said:
crankedup said:
If the EU hadn’t morphed into a giant political organisation with Federal ambition the U.K. would almost certainly still be in the EU. The Common Market disappeared decades back btw.
Many of the EU trading regulations are based upon protectionism of the fellow EU members. What I am pointing out is that those same regulations are hurting the people that they are designed to protect!
I fully agree that the membership of the EU came with downsides, that’s why UK decided to leave, the downsides outweigh the benefits.
Trade deals are what= ales the World go around, unfortunately the EU have conflated trade with political dogma way outside simple trading. It is this political dogma which is hurting its own member Country people, I wouldn’t expect Macron to care about his fishermen any more than Johnson cares about the U.K. fishermen.
eta if politicians cannot resolve these trading issues then why are they holding politicians seats.
That's another reocurring Brexiteer fan favorite; pretending that the Brexit referendum was a process based on rational decision making where every voter was fully and honestly informed. And all that in the Tabloid democracy that the UK is, nobody believes that nonsense.Many of the EU trading regulations are based upon protectionism of the fellow EU members. What I am pointing out is that those same regulations are hurting the people that they are designed to protect!
I fully agree that the membership of the EU came with downsides, that’s why UK decided to leave, the downsides outweigh the benefits.
Trade deals are what= ales the World go around, unfortunately the EU have conflated trade with political dogma way outside simple trading. It is this political dogma which is hurting its own member Country people, I wouldn’t expect Macron to care about his fishermen any more than Johnson cares about the U.K. fishermen.
eta if politicians cannot resolve these trading issues then why are they holding politicians seats.
Remember the big red bus, the fisherman who've been made promises, farmer sibsidies, etc.
The UK didn't decide to leave because the benefits outweighed the downsides; looking at the situation the UK is in currently (5 years of a political mess/Scotland independance/Ireland/trade friction) you can only conclude that Brexit so far has been a disaster.
Edited by DeltonaS on Thursday 15th April 22:50
One-sided historical hysteria and myopia involving almost wholly short-term trade issues are now
inducing.As we're facing the end of political civilisation as we know it and then WW3, sleep may soon be a challenge, every cloud.
DeltonaS said:
That's another recurring Brexiteer fan favourite; pretending that the Brexit referendum was a process based on rational decision making where every voter was fully and honestly informed.
Some might say, that is a perfect example of the recurring remainer fan favourite; clutching at straws to build a man with.Crackie said:
DeltonaS said:
That's another recurring Brexiteer fan favourite; pretending that the Brexit referendum was a process based on rational decision making where every voter was fully and honestly informed.
Some might say, that is a perfect example of the recurring remainer fan favourite; clutching at straws to build a man with.
Yes, but if it's shown that a leave voter somewhere didn't know Juncker's inside leg measurement, that will annul the referendum result and brexit will be cancelled. And we're back in the room...apart from diehard remainers who are stuck in 2015.
Impact Brexit on the London City: movement of 546 businesses and 900 billion in assets towards the EU.
https://fd.nl/ondernemen/1380552/impact-brexit-op-...
Large-scale transfer of assets towards the EU causes a shift in the financial balance of power between the UK and the EU, according to think tank New Financial.
https://newfinancial.org/brexit-the-city-the-impac...
https://fd.nl/ondernemen/1380552/impact-brexit-op-...
Large-scale transfer of assets towards the EU causes a shift in the financial balance of power between the UK and the EU, according to think tank New Financial.
https://newfinancial.org/brexit-the-city-the-impac...
DeltonaS said:
crankedup said:
DeltonaS said:
crankedup said:
If the EU hadn’t morphed into a giant political organisation with Federal ambition the U.K. would almost certainly still be in the EU. The Common Market disappeared decades back btw.
Many of the EU trading regulations are based upon protectionism of the fellow EU members. What I am pointing out is that those same regulations are hurting the people that they are designed to protect!
I fully agree that the membership of the EU came with downsides, that’s why UK decided to leave, the downsides outweigh the benefits.
Trade deals are what= ales the World go around, unfortunately the EU have conflated trade with political dogma way outside simple trading. It is this political dogma which is hurting its own member Country people, I wouldn’t expect Macron to care about his fishermen any more than Johnson cares about the U.K. fishermen.
eta if politicians cannot resolve these trading issues then why are they holding politicians seats.
That's another reocurring Brexiteer fan favorite; pretending that the Brexit referendum was a process based on rational decision making where every voter was fully and honestly informed. And all that in the Tabloid democracy that the UK is, nobody believes that nonsense.Many of the EU trading regulations are based upon protectionism of the fellow EU members. What I am pointing out is that those same regulations are hurting the people that they are designed to protect!
I fully agree that the membership of the EU came with downsides, that’s why UK decided to leave, the downsides outweigh the benefits.
Trade deals are what= ales the World go around, unfortunately the EU have conflated trade with political dogma way outside simple trading. It is this political dogma which is hurting its own member Country people, I wouldn’t expect Macron to care about his fishermen any more than Johnson cares about the U.K. fishermen.
eta if politicians cannot resolve these trading issues then why are they holding politicians seats.
Remember the big red bus, the fisherman who've been made promises, farmer sibsidies, etc.
The UK didn't decide to leave because the benefits outweighed the downsides; looking at the situation the UK is in currently (5 years of a political mess/Scotland independance/Ireland/trade friction) you can only conclude that Brexit so far has been a disaster.
DeltonaS said:
Impact Brexit on the London City: movement of 546 businesses and 900 billion in assets towards the EU.
https://fd.nl/ondernemen/1380552/impact-brexit-op-...
Large-scale transfer of assets towards the EU causes a shift in the financial balance of power between the UK and the EU, according to think tank New Financial.
https://newfinancial.org/brexit-the-city-the-impac...
Establishing hubs within mainland Europe has been ongoing for the past five years, it’s not news.https://fd.nl/ondernemen/1380552/impact-brexit-op-...
Large-scale transfer of assets towards the EU causes a shift in the financial balance of power between the UK and the EU, according to think tank New Financial.
https://newfinancial.org/brexit-the-city-the-impac...
My son-in-law was out in Germany 3 or 4 years ago assisting the establishment of a new hub for the bank he works for.
Calling stongle.
crankedup said:
DeltonaS said:
Impact Brexit on the London City: movement of 546 businesses and 900 billion in assets towards the EU.
https://fd.nl/ondernemen/1380552/impact-brexit-op-...
Large-scale transfer of assets towards the EU causes a shift in the financial balance of power between the UK and the EU, according to think tank New Financial.
https://newfinancial.org/brexit-the-city-the-impac...
Establishing hubs within mainland Europe has been ongoing for the past five years, it’s not news.https://fd.nl/ondernemen/1380552/impact-brexit-op-...
Large-scale transfer of assets towards the EU causes a shift in the financial balance of power between the UK and the EU, according to think tank New Financial.
https://newfinancial.org/brexit-the-city-the-impac...
My son-in-law was out in Germany 3 or 4 years ago assisting the establishment of a new hub for the bank he works for.
Calling stongle.
That'd be.....2016.
The year of the Brexit vote. Wonder if they're related?
slow_poke said:
crankedup said:
DeltonaS said:
Impact Brexit on the London City: movement of 546 businesses and 900 billion in assets towards the EU.
https://fd.nl/ondernemen/1380552/impact-brexit-op-...
Large-scale transfer of assets towards the EU causes a shift in the financial balance of power between the UK and the EU, according to think tank New Financial.
https://newfinancial.org/brexit-the-city-the-impac...
Establishing hubs within mainland Europe has been ongoing for the past five years, it’s not news.https://fd.nl/ondernemen/1380552/impact-brexit-op-...
Large-scale transfer of assets towards the EU causes a shift in the financial balance of power between the UK and the EU, according to think tank New Financial.
https://newfinancial.org/brexit-the-city-the-impac...
My son-in-law was out in Germany 3 or 4 years ago assisting the establishment of a new hub for the bank he works for.
Calling stongle.
That'd be.....2016.
The year of the Brexit vote. Wonder if they're related?
crankedup said:
slow_poke said:
crankedup said:
DeltonaS said:
Impact Brexit on the London City: movement of 546 businesses and 900 billion in assets towards the EU.
https://fd.nl/ondernemen/1380552/impact-brexit-op-...
Large-scale transfer of assets towards the EU causes a shift in the financial balance of power between the UK and the EU, according to think tank New Financial.
https://newfinancial.org/brexit-the-city-the-impac...
Establishing hubs within mainland Europe has been ongoing for the past five years, it’s not news.https://fd.nl/ondernemen/1380552/impact-brexit-op-...
Large-scale transfer of assets towards the EU causes a shift in the financial balance of power between the UK and the EU, according to think tank New Financial.
https://newfinancial.org/brexit-the-city-the-impac...
My son-in-law was out in Germany 3 or 4 years ago assisting the establishment of a new hub for the bank he works for.
Calling stongle.
That'd be.....2016.
The year of the Brexit vote. Wonder if they're related?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56155531
mybrainhurts said:
crankedup said:
slow_poke said:
crankedup said:
DeltonaS said:
Impact Brexit on the London City: movement of 546 businesses and 900 billion in assets towards the EU.
https://fd.nl/ondernemen/1380552/impact-brexit-op-...
Large-scale transfer of assets towards the EU causes a shift in the financial balance of power between the UK and the EU, according to think tank New Financial.
https://newfinancial.org/brexit-the-city-the-impac...
Establishing hubs within mainland Europe has been ongoing for the past five years, it’s not news.https://fd.nl/ondernemen/1380552/impact-brexit-op-...
Large-scale transfer of assets towards the EU causes a shift in the financial balance of power between the UK and the EU, according to think tank New Financial.
https://newfinancial.org/brexit-the-city-the-impac...
My son-in-law was out in Germany 3 or 4 years ago assisting the establishment of a new hub for the bank he works for.
Calling stongle.
That'd be.....2016.
The year of the Brexit vote. Wonder if they're related?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56155531
Vanden Saab said:
mybrainhurts said:
crankedup said:
slow_poke said:
crankedup said:
DeltonaS said:
Impact Brexit on the London City: movement of 546 businesses and 900 billion in assets towards the EU.
https://fd.nl/ondernemen/1380552/impact-brexit-op-...
Large-scale transfer of assets towards the EU causes a shift in the financial balance of power between the UK and the EU, according to think tank New Financial.
https://newfinancial.org/brexit-the-city-the-impac...
Establishing hubs within mainland Europe has been ongoing for the past five years, it’s not news.https://fd.nl/ondernemen/1380552/impact-brexit-op-...
Large-scale transfer of assets towards the EU causes a shift in the financial balance of power between the UK and the EU, according to think tank New Financial.
https://newfinancial.org/brexit-the-city-the-impac...
My son-in-law was out in Germany 3 or 4 years ago assisting the establishment of a new hub for the bank he works for.
Calling stongle.
That'd be.....2016.
The year of the Brexit vote. Wonder if they're related?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56155531
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