Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 2)

[Iminquarantine]

Sway said:

blueg33 said:

Nonsense though - to trade with anyone we have to comply with their rules. We do not and never will have total autonomy if we wish to do a single thing outside our borders. To think otherwise is deluded beyond belief.

External trade is a tiny fraction of our economy.

Imports are far more important than exports, considering our balance of trade.

Not every exporter has been negatively affected - I've shown yesterday one reason why our European competitive has materially improved.

Amusingly, that got ignored apart from one poster who tried to tell me I was lying about my employer's market...

Oh, oh I am so, so sorry again that I was unable to offer the instant response that your self-appointed position of superiority demanded.

Seriously, you are the second person to suggest there is something wrong, if a person does not immediately respond to you. Does the type of Quitter delusion that you think you can demand an instant response go hand in hand with the delusion that by leaving a union 6x the economic size of our own economy, we suddenly become a big player?

[andymadmak]

Iminquarantine said:

Sway said:

blueg33 said:

Nonsense though - to trade with anyone we have to comply with their rules. We do not and never will have total autonomy if we wish to do a single thing outside our borders. To think otherwise is deluded beyond belief.

External trade is a tiny fraction of our economy.

Imports are far more important than exports, considering our balance of trade.

Not every exporter has been negatively affected - I've shown yesterday one reason why our European competitive has materially improved.

Amusingly, that got ignored apart from one poster who tried to tell me I was lying about my employer's market...

Oh, oh I am so, so sorry again that I was unable to offer the instant response that your self-appointed position of superiority demanded.

Seriously, you are the second person to suggest there is something wrong, if a person does not immediately respond to you. Does the type of Quitter delusion that you think you can demand an instant response go hand in hand with the delusion that by leaving a union 6x the economic size of our own economy, we suddenly become a big player?

Well, you're here now. So any chance of an answer?

[Iminquarantine]

Vanden Saab said:

Fittster said:

Brexit has wiped £250,000 off our sales says UK exporter

Exports have plummeted due to delays, disruption and increased shipping fees

The boss of a UK insulation manufacturer says Brexit has cost his business £250,000 - in just the first three months of the year.

William Bown, the managing director of SuperFOIL Insulation, said the decision to stop free trade with the EU had led to a huge drop in revenues compared to 2020.

He said the business was counting the cost of delays, disruption and increased shipping fees associated with the Government’s decision to “take back control”.

Before Brexit, the family-owned business sold around a fifth of its products to customers in Europe, much of it through Amazon.

Since January 1 EU sales have dropped to just 2.9 per cent of its total.

The business has now set up a trading company in the Netherlands to try and bypass the new regulations and distribute products to EU customers – and is planning to export there in bulk to reduce costs.

The £250,000 loss in revenues does not take into account the cost of setting up the new EU operation.

Mr Bown said: “With the clear and visible impact of the pandemic and the lockdowns having dominated the headlines, small manufacturers and exporters like us are having a very tough time as a result of Brexit.

https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/brex...

your link said:

Domestically, SuperFOIL said it had seen record UK sales, with sales of its SuperFOIL’s Rad-Pack radiator reflector, Garage Door Insulation kits, and narrow-gauge SFBA Bubble Foil Insulation helping the company grow, despite Brexit and the pandemic.

So it wasn't a £250,000 loss at all..The company has grown....Cheers fittster for highlighting another Brexit success

Well as you have joined the selective quoting party, here is more information from that link:
"That was partly due to people carrying out home improvements and converting rooms, lofts, garages and outbuildings into home offices during lockdown."

As Quitters only have a tenuous grasp of goings on in the outside world, I will of course point out that Lockdown in some form has been going on for over a year, whereas the current Brexit arrangement has been going on for less than 4 months.

Therefore on the base of that quote and on the basis that that same business has said that Brexit has cost £250,000 and caused them to set up a EU distribution hub, it seems that the business growth happened before full Brexit and then the increased Brexit costs have now offset that previous growth.

[Sway]

Iminquarantine said:

Sway said:

blueg33 said:

Nonsense though - to trade with anyone we have to comply with their rules. We do not and never will have total autonomy if we wish to do a single thing outside our borders. To think otherwise is deluded beyond belief.

External trade is a tiny fraction of our economy.

Imports are far more important than exports, considering our balance of trade.

Not every exporter has been negatively affected - I've shown yesterday one reason why our European competitive has materially improved.

Amusingly, that got ignored apart from one poster who tried to tell me I was lying about my employer's market...

Oh, oh I am so, so sorry again that I was unable to offer the instant response that your self-appointed position of superiority demanded.

Seriously, you are the second person to suggest there is something wrong, if a person does not immediately respond to you. Does the type of Quitter delusion that you think you can demand an instant response go hand in hand with the delusion that by leaving a union 6x the economic size of our own economy, we suddenly become a big player?

Oh poppet, you are trying to feel aggrieved aren't you?

I don't care you haven't responded, as my point wasn't about that - it was that the only response was you, and solely about what competition my employer has in it's market instead of the very clear cost savings and benefits we're experiencing from Brexit...

Capiche? Or do you want to have another little cry about something that doesn't relate to you at all?

[Iminquarantine]

andymadmak said:

Well, you're here now. So any chance of an answer?

It might be better for you and your pals to work out for yourselves that I post when I have time to post, which other than this response, is not now. No doubt you will try to imply this is because Boom, Gotcha, you got one over me. I can only say what I said the first time I was criticised for not providing a response within an hour: perhaps you could hire some other servant who gives a fk?

[andymadmak]

Iminquarantine said:

andymadmak said:

Well, you're here now. So any chance of an answer?

It might be better for you and your pals to work out for yourselves that I post when I have time to post, which other than this response, is not now. No doubt you will try to imply this is because Boom, Gotcha, you got one over me. I can only say what I said the first time I was criticised for not providing a response within an hour: perhaps you could hire some other servant who gives a fk?

No need for the bad language. I'm not claiming a Gotcha moment, although its a bit strange to say you've got no time to post, and then post twice on the same subject only to avoid answering the question. However, benefit of the doubt to you, and we look forward to reading your response when you next have enough time to post your full answer? OK by you?

[Sway]

andymadmak said:

Iminquarantine said:

andymadmak said:

Well, you're here now. So any chance of an answer?

It might be better for you and your pals to work out for yourselves that I post when I have time to post, which other than this response, is not now. No doubt you will try to imply this is because Boom, Gotcha, you got one over me. I can only say what I said the first time I was criticised for not providing a response within an hour: perhaps you could hire some other servant who gives a fk?

No need for the bad language. I'm not claiming a Gotcha moment, although its a bit strange to say you've got no time to post, and then post twice on the same subject only to avoid answering the question. However, benefit of the doubt to you, and we look forward to reading your response when you next have enough time to post your full answer? OK by you?

There wasn't even any expectation of an answer from me!

I made my point about the poster's nonsense about my employer and their industry, the only "answer" would have been to admit complete ignorance and to apologise for insinuating I'm a liar. I'm not that wet behind the ears to have any expectation of that...

My post was very much about how 'everyone else' completely ignored a couple of very real, verifiable benefits to leaving.

[Vanden Saab]

Iminquarantine said:

Well as you have joined the selective quoting party, here is more information from that link:
"That was partly due to people carrying out home improvements and converting rooms, lofts, garages and outbuildings into home offices during lockdown."

As Quitters only have a tenuous grasp of goings on in the outside world, I will of course point out that Lockdown in some form has been going on for over a year, whereas the current Brexit arrangement has been going on for less than 4 months.

Therefore on the base of that quote and on the basis that that same business has said that Brexit has cost £250,000 and caused them to set up a EU distribution hub, it seems that the business growth happened before full Brexit and then the increased Brexit costs have now offset that previous growth.

They did not say brexit has cost them £250,000 they suggested that they lost that gross amount in eu sales but actually did better overall because UK sales more than made up for the loss.
More tenuous grasping from you it seems...

[Murph7355]

DeltonaS said:

Your narrative started of so well and than you dose off again into that delusion that Brexit was somehow founded on a rational process.

To finish your narrative; David Cameron abused and misjudged the Brexit referendum for his own political gain and from there we all know how he lost control over the process resulting in a referendum in which the British public was illinformed; from red busses, sunlit uplands and the rest of the promises.

We all know the negatives of the EU, but so do we know those of the flag waving Brexiteer.

One presumes you didn't get a vote in this, being Dutch, so probably best you don't try and judge who was the most ill informed across two abject campaigns.

The electorate of the UK was evidently not well enough informed by EU politicians for the past 27yrs to be able to make a strong enough case to remain in. Blame David Cameron all you like. That vote should have been a shoe in. That it wasn't is a massive failure of the EU in and of itself.

[Murph7355]

Earthdweller said:

blueg33 said:

Ean218 said:

Both Leavers and Remainers were gambling, the status quo was not on the ticket.

Remain was the status quo. Veto then enabled control of the future. ie a framework was in place to enable us to manage the future

That’s a falsehood

Voting to remain in the EU was not a vote for the situation as at 23/6/16 staying fixed and ever thus

A remain vote was to follow the path of greater integration and federalisation and to accept whatever changes came with that as we have seen with the marginalisation of the veto and QMV since 2016

Remain was NEVER a vote for the status quo

The problem is ED that was never written on a red bus. So doesn't count as a lie that could have caused people to vote a given way.

[Fittster]

A Leave-voting fisherman has spoken about his regret after voting for Brexit and said “life has become very difficult” since the UK has left the trading-bloc.

Ian Perkes, a fish exporter from Brixham, in Devon, told the Danish broadcaster DR that he was “lied to” about the implications of leaving the EU and it has increased costs for his business.

He said: “Do you think I would have voted to leave if I’d known it was going to cost me another £80,000 a year? Of course not. Only a fool would have voted to go out, wouldn’t he, knowing that.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/br...

[andymadmak]

Murph7355 said:

The problem is ED that was never written on a red bus. So doesn't count as a lie that could have caused people to vote a given way.

You're right. It was written into the founding treaty, and amplified in the Lisbon Treaty (which Mr Brown sneaked off to sign in the hope that no one would notice what it committed the EU to do) Nothing at all dishonest about that. Everyone knew about the end to QMV in key areas, the EU Army, the centralised tax raising and borrowing that would be coming, didn't they? Surely no one thought that the process of EU integration had ended...?

[turbobloke]

Fittster said:

A Leave-voting fisherman has spoken about his regret after voting for Brexit and said “life has become very difficult” since the UK has left the trading-bloc.

Ian Perkes, a fish exporter from Brixham, in Devon, told the Danish broadcaster DR that he was “lied to” about the implications of leaving the EU and it has increased costs for his business.

He said: “Do you think I would have voted to leave if I’d known it was going to cost me another £80,000 a year? Of course not. Only a fool would have voted to go out, wouldn’t he, knowing that.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/br...

Somebody lied? They knew the details of his business and told him he wouldn't be paying £80k extra? Who was it, we should be told. In addition somebody needs to have a word about not believing what politicians (and campaign zealots) say when their lips are moving.

Not forgetting the tens of millions unaffected that way.

[JeffreyD]

Fittster said:

A Leave-voting fisherman has spoken about his regret after voting for Brexit and said “life has become very difficult” since the UK has left the trading-bloc.

Ian Perkes, a fish exporter from Brixham, in Devon, told the Danish broadcaster DR that he was “lied to” about the implications of leaving the EU and it has increased costs for his business.

He said: “Do you think I would have voted to leave if I’d known it was going to cost me another £80,000 a year? Of course not. Only a fool would have voted to go out, wouldn’t he, knowing that.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/br...

Cry me a river.

So not only thick but a selfish fker as well.

[Sway]

JeffreyD said:

Fittster said:

A Leave-voting fisherman has spoken about his regret after voting for Brexit and said “life has become very difficult” since the UK has left the trading-bloc.

Ian Perkes, a fish exporter from Brixham, in Devon, told the Danish broadcaster DR that he was “lied to” about the implications of leaving the EU and it has increased costs for his business.

He said: “Do you think I would have voted to leave if I’d known it was going to cost me another £80,000 a year? Of course not. Only a fool would have voted to go out, wouldn’t he, knowing that.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/br...

Cry me a river.

So not only thick but a selfish fker as well.

I can't help but agree.

The rules regarding POAO product imports into the EU are very well known, they're exactly the same as the ones we applied as members of the EU, and continue to do so today.

[JeffreyD]

Sway said:

I can't help but agree.

The rules regarding POAO product imports into the EU are very well known, they're exactly the same as the ones we applied as members of the EU, and continue to do so today.

Exactly.

I wasn't aware of the issue prior to the recent events but then I'm not in that industry - I like to think I'd have done a bit of research as a fisherman.

Plus the credulity of people who believe politicians when they say something they want to be true never ceases to amaze, and that's something I need to work on as it's an ongoing issue that will never change

In short brexiters whinging about the effects of brexit on them. fk off.

[crankedup]

JeffreyD said:

Sway said:

I can't help but agree.

The rules regarding POAO product imports into the EU are very well known, they're exactly the same as the ones we applied as members of the EU, and continue to do so today.

Exactly.

I wasn't aware of the issue prior to the recent events but then I'm not in that industry - I like to think I'd have done a bit of research as a fisherman.

Plus the credulity of people who believe politicians when they say something they want to be true never ceases to amaze, and that's something I need to work on as it's an ongoing issue that will never change

In short brexiters whinging about the effects of brexit on them. fk off.

I always turn out and vote in elections and referendums and vote based upon what comes nearest in the manifesto promises to my desires. Of course a % of the promises will never see light of day, but what else have we got?

[JeffreyD]

crankedup said:

I always turn out and vote in elections and referendums and vote based upon what comes nearest in the manifesto promises to my desires. Of course a % of the promises will never see light of day, but what else have we got?

Nothing.

I'm referring to people such as the fisherman quoted and the DUP who chose to believe whatever bullst Johnson was spinning them and are now pissing and whinging when he did what he always has done.

They were both mugged off.

What he does really is something extraordinary, I can't quite get my head round it but just look at his results. I am not sure we've had a politician like him before and the system just can't handle it.

[633Squadron]

% of population vaccinated for Covid.

[crankedup]

JeffreyD said:

crankedup said:

I always turn out and vote in elections and referendums and vote based upon what comes nearest in the manifesto promises to my desires. Of course a % of the promises will never see light of day, but what else have we got?

Nothing.

I'm referring to people such as the fisherman quoted and the DUP who chose to believe whatever bullst Johnson was spinning them and are now pissing and whinging when he did what he always has done.

They were both mugged off.

What he does really is something extraordinary, I can't quite get my head round it but just look at his results. I am not sure we've had a politician like him before and the system just can't handle it.

Yes yes yes, I get it, but I asked what else have we got?