Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
paulrockliffe said:
The Imports and Exports data that this is based on is published to api.ons.gov.uk, point Excel at it and you too can see whether this is the whole picture....
And once again you have to go back a couple of years to understand the context. From the same source...https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/markets-and-trends/...
link said:
Figures released by HMRC show that the UK dairy trade balance – exports minus imports – was positive, in volume terms, at 95,000 tonnes during 2019.
It is the first overall UK trade volume surplus since records started in 1997, said AHDB Dairy analyst Katherine Jack.
“In 2019, exports of skim milk to Ireland increased by 20,000t while imports to the republic fell by nearly 59,000t,” she explained.
The overall powder trade surplus also increased, with the figure for whole milk powder (WMP) up by 5,000t to a record 45,000t for the year.
“For buttermilk, there was a small increase in exports, but the main reason for the improved trade balance was a significant drop in imports of 103,000 tonnes,” Ms Jack said.
“[Reduced] shipments from France, Belgium and Germany accounted for most of the drop,” she added.
It is the first overall UK trade volume surplus since records started in 1997, said AHDB Dairy analyst Katherine Jack.
“In 2019, exports of skim milk to Ireland increased by 20,000t while imports to the republic fell by nearly 59,000t,” she explained.
The overall powder trade surplus also increased, with the figure for whole milk powder (WMP) up by 5,000t to a record 45,000t for the year.
“For buttermilk, there was a small increase in exports, but the main reason for the improved trade balance was a significant drop in imports of 103,000 tonnes,” Ms Jack said.
“[Reduced] shipments from France, Belgium and Germany accounted for most of the drop,” she added.
But Britain still has paperwork-free regime for goods coming from EU? Once this is over one could expect gradual replacement of no longer viable imports with similar goods sourced from within the UK - just like companies in EU have been doing? It will take time and some readjustment in expectations, and but it's a big numbers game. Or am I just being too optimistic?
Myself having been a "remainer" I do believe that the debate is now over. Let's make the best of where we are now - let's give it a go. Only if it really becomes obvious that it was not worth it then again the "political" market should offer an alternative? But let's first give it a fighting chance instead of sabotaging ourselves at each and every step. And that, me thinks, requires a mild mindset "reset". Easier said than done as it has all become very emotional and we're clearly driven by as opposed to being master of our emotions...not that I am not trying...
BTW I am a Croatian who has earned his UK citizenship (before Croatia joined EU - work permits, etc - moved on/back to Croatia well before Brexit) and after all these years still consider Britan as being my second home hence my use of "we". Very emotional and very proud for being British if I am permitted. What a country!
There is only one way forward and that is forward.
Greetings from Croatia, riding the third wave.
Myself having been a "remainer" I do believe that the debate is now over. Let's make the best of where we are now - let's give it a go. Only if it really becomes obvious that it was not worth it then again the "political" market should offer an alternative? But let's first give it a fighting chance instead of sabotaging ourselves at each and every step. And that, me thinks, requires a mild mindset "reset". Easier said than done as it has all become very emotional and we're clearly driven by as opposed to being master of our emotions...not that I am not trying...
BTW I am a Croatian who has earned his UK citizenship (before Croatia joined EU - work permits, etc - moved on/back to Croatia well before Brexit) and after all these years still consider Britan as being my second home hence my use of "we". Very emotional and very proud for being British if I am permitted. What a country!
There is only one way forward and that is forward.
Greetings from Croatia, riding the third wave.
Fittster said:
British dairy exports remained at drastically low levels in February in the wake of Brexit, according to figures published by the AHDB.
The figures, drawn from HMRC data, show trade with Europe down more than 90% for certain products compared with a year earlier.
AHDB analyst Charlie Reeve said that in February 2020 there were 76,500 tonnes of unprocessed milk shipped from the UK to Europe. But Brexit trade conditions meant this fell to just 131t in the same four weeks of 2021.
Bulk cream exports also slumped, from 901t in February 2020 to just 436t – a 55% decline.
Other product categories also saw dramatic year-on-year declines.
Cheese exports fell by 75%, whey 83% and milk powder 86%, while butter exports were down 89% on February 2020 levels.
Despite the extreme lows Mr Reeve said these figures were a marginal improvement on January 2021, immediately after the UK left the EU.
However, buttermilk and yoghurt, which saw the biggest year-on-year drop, slumped further during February to 91% below last year or about 10,000t less product shipped.
https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/markets-and-trends/...
Surely the domestic UK market should be flooded with these products now, driving down consumer prices as producers try to unload their surplus inventory?The figures, drawn from HMRC data, show trade with Europe down more than 90% for certain products compared with a year earlier.
AHDB analyst Charlie Reeve said that in February 2020 there were 76,500 tonnes of unprocessed milk shipped from the UK to Europe. But Brexit trade conditions meant this fell to just 131t in the same four weeks of 2021.
Bulk cream exports also slumped, from 901t in February 2020 to just 436t – a 55% decline.
Other product categories also saw dramatic year-on-year declines.
Cheese exports fell by 75%, whey 83% and milk powder 86%, while butter exports were down 89% on February 2020 levels.
Despite the extreme lows Mr Reeve said these figures were a marginal improvement on January 2021, immediately after the UK left the EU.
However, buttermilk and yoghurt, which saw the biggest year-on-year drop, slumped further during February to 91% below last year or about 10,000t less product shipped.
https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/markets-and-trends/...
Sounds like a Brexit Win to me!
anonymous said:
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Yes suffering from a COVID vaccine and younger members of the family are suffering from a choice of first job opportunities .Oh and only skimmed thru these threads but seems
This sort of I hope things go wrong comments seem common?
Edited by Ivan stewart on Tuesday 27th April 09:20
Ivan stewart said:
Yes suffering from a COVID vaccine and younger members of the family are suffering from a choice of first job opportunities .
Oh and only skimmed thru these threads but seems
This sort of I hope things go wrong comments seem common?
Sadly, yes. But actually these kinds of comments come from only a very few bitter folk who think they are still in 2016 and that they can somehow change what has happened. Oh and only skimmed thru these threads but seems
This sort of I hope things go wrong comments seem common?
Edited by Ivan stewart on Tuesday 27th April 09:20
Most Remain voters have moved on, and are looking to do the best they can in the new world that we live in. Remember, most of what the doom mongers predicted has NOT happened. No house price crash, no collapsed economy, no emergency budgets, Nissan didn't leave, we ARE making new trade deals, etc etc etc.
Thankfully it's also the case that most of the worst 'wishes' of the Remain ultras have also not happened..... (remember the wish that children of Brexit voters would die due to lack of medicines?) Some on here were fervently hoping that Brexit voters would suffer ill health and bankruptcy.
Sadly, one thing has happened - a lot of old folk have died due to Covid, It's double sad because you've had posters on here actually celebrating that fact and suggesting that a new vote should now take place now that a substantial number of old, racist, thick, bigoted, gammon faced Brexiteers have died.
Unfortunately for those Remain supporters, the Covid pandemic that took those old folk has also thrown the abject shambles that is the EU into sharp focus. A new vote today would see a bigger majority for leave as a result.
So, yes, the few die hards will still scour the Guardian, the BBC and the Independent every day looking for problems to celebrate and crow about - imagining that they are winning some great moral victory by pointing out issues that they cared not one jot about until they read about it in the newspaper. Meanwhile, decent, reasonable folk of all political persuasions will quietly get on with their lives
andymadmak said:
Ivan stewart said:
Yes suffering from a COVID vaccine and younger members of the family are suffering from a choice of first job opportunities .
Oh and only skimmed thru these threads but seems
This sort of I hope things go wrong comments seem common?
Sadly, yes. But actually these kinds of comments come from only a very few bitter folk who think they are still in 2016 and that they can somehow change what has happened. Oh and only skimmed thru these threads but seems
This sort of I hope things go wrong comments seem common?
Edited by Ivan stewart on Tuesday 27th April 09:20
Most Remain voters have moved on, and are looking to do the best they can in the new world that we live in. Remember, most of what the doom mongers predicted has NOT happened. No house price crash, no collapsed economy, no emergency budgets, Nissan didn't leave, we ARE making new trade deals, etc etc etc.
Thankfully it's also the case that most of the worst 'wishes' of the Remain ultras have also not happened..... (remember the wish that children of Brexit voters would die due to lack of medicines?) Some on here were fervently hoping that Brexit voters would suffer ill health and bankruptcy.
Sadly, one thing has happened - a lot of old folk have died due to Covid, It's double sad because you've had posters on here actually celebrating that fact and suggesting that a new vote should now take place now that a substantial number of old, racist, thick, bigoted, gammon faced Brexiteers have died.
Unfortunately for those Remain supporters, the Covid pandemic that took those old folk has also thrown the abject shambles that is the EU into sharp focus. A new vote today would see a bigger majority for leave as a result.
So, yes, the few die hards will still scour the Guardian, the BBC and the Independent every day looking for problems to celebrate and crow about - imagining that they are winning some great moral victory by pointing out issues that they cared not one jot about until they read about it in the newspaper. Meanwhile, decent, reasonable folk of all political persuasions will quietly get on with their lives
andymadmak said:
Ivan stewart said:
Yes suffering from a COVID vaccine and younger members of the family are suffering from a choice of first job opportunities .
Oh and only skimmed thru these threads but seems
This sort of I hope things go wrong comments seem common?
Sadly, yes. But actually these kinds of comments come from only a very few bitter folk who think they are still in 2016 and that they can somehow change what has happened. Oh and only skimmed thru these threads but seems
This sort of I hope things go wrong comments seem common?
Edited by Ivan stewart on Tuesday 27th April 09:20
Most Remain voters have moved on, and are looking to do the best they can in the new world that we live in. Remember, most of what the doom mongers predicted has NOT happened. No house price crash, no collapsed economy, no emergency budgets, Nissan didn't leave, we ARE making new trade deals, etc etc etc.
Thankfully it's also the case that most of the worst 'wishes' of the Remain ultras have also not happened..... (remember the wish that children of Brexit voters would die due to lack of medicines?) Some on here were fervently hoping that Brexit voters would suffer ill health and bankruptcy.
Sadly, one thing has happened - a lot of old folk have died due to Covid, It's double sad because you've had posters on here actually celebrating that fact and suggesting that a new vote should now take place now that a substantial number of old, racist, thick, bigoted, gammon faced Brexiteers have died.
Unfortunately for those Remain supporters, the Covid pandemic that took those old folk has also thrown the abject shambles that is the EU into sharp focus. A new vote today would see a bigger majority for leave as a result.
So, yes, the few die hards will still scour the Guardian, the BBC and the Independent every day looking for problems to celebrate and crow about - imagining that they are winning some great moral victory by pointing out issues that they cared not one jot about until they read about it in the newspaper. Meanwhile, decent, reasonable folk of all political persuasions will quietly get on with their lives
anonymous said:
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That’s not what the polls say. Google is your friend. As for the position in 10 years, well we shall see which of us is correct. By then the younger generation will have become the older generation, and as such history is not on your side... especially if the UK is thriving out of the EU ( or whatever it has become and is calling itself by then)
anonymous said:
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Well, not according to this Italian MEP who happens also to be an economist An Italian MEP has apologised to Britain for the treatment it received over Brexit, praising the UK's vaccine roll-out and future prosperity in a withering attack on the EU.
'The UK humiliated us,' Antonio Maria Rinaldi told the European Parliament today. 'I learned that the European Union has sued the pharmaceutical company AstraZeneca. We hope that the lawyers in charge are not the same ones who formulated the contracts last year!
'Why is the Commission not using some very good London law firm this time? They would be sure to win,' he added.
Rinaldi, a former banker and member of the Eurosceptic Lega party, poured scorn on the 'disgusting lies' told about Britain, 'a great and proud country
Rinaldi, a professor of economics, argued that now was 'an excellent opportunity' for the EU to admit its folly and commit to reform, particularly in its financial governance.
He lamented the 'swamps of regulations and bureaucracy' in Brussels, adding:. 'I want to bet here in front of you all that in two years Britain's growth will be much higher than that of the European Union.'
The 66-year-old continued: 'It took five years to finally reach this agreement having for too long knowingly ignored that the United Kingdom is a net buyer of goods and services to the Union,' Rinaldi told the house.
'Seeing as no one until now has had the courage and humility to apologise to the citizens of the United Kingdom for the lies that have been told just for daring to no longer follow the EU's erroneous dictates, then I do so in this one moment as a member of this Parliament.
'Thank you and good luck.'
He added: 'In two months it will be five years from the Brexit referendum. How many disgusting lies have we had to hear from politicians screaming "Britain is destroyed" just because they are terrified of a dangerous precedent? ...
'They didn't understand the legitimate will of a great and proud country that preferred to exercise its sovereignty in a democratic way instead of delegating it to grey bureaucrats who have shown that they cannot even manage a condominium.
'Characters who, if they had worked in a private company, would have been immediately kicked out.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9516837/T...
In typical EU f
kwittery, the MEP's will vote tonight on ratifying the Brexit deal, but the result wont be announced until tomorrow.
To be fair to them, they are managing to do this 2 days earlier than they could have done, although they did have to extend the deadline beyond what was agreed when the deal was signed.
More wine fritz?
kwittery, the MEP's will vote tonight on ratifying the Brexit deal, but the result wont be announced until tomorrow. To be fair to them, they are managing to do this 2 days earlier than they could have done, although they did have to extend the deadline beyond what was agreed when the deal was signed.
More wine fritz?
anonymous said:
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Presumably you advocate rejoining...........why?Explain what the EU will look like in 10 year's time? what will the annual cost of membership will be? What will the centralised taxation rates be? Which areas of policy will be determined by QMV? Will there be an EU Army? Will the Euro still exist.
Will rejoiners still be advocates of the status quo
What young people miss the most, and value the most (IMO) is the freedom of movement. It's the ability to get a job in any city of the 27 member states and live there as long as you want. It's the ability to travel for more than 3 months out of 6 within the EU and visit all the countries you want for as long as you want.
We are the "EasyJet generation" for whom it is quicker to get from London to Paris than Edinburgh and easier to get to Milan than the Lake District.
We are the "EasyJet generation" for whom it is quicker to get from London to Paris than Edinburgh and easier to get to Milan than the Lake District.
jsf said:
In typical EU fkwittery, the MEP's will vote tonight on ratifying the Brexit deal, but the result wont be announced until tomorrow.
To be fair to them, they are managing to do this 2 days earlier than they could have done, although they did have to extend the deadline beyond what was agreed when the deal was signed.
More wine fritz?
Is that so the commission can adjust the result if need be?kwittery, the MEP's will vote tonight on ratifying the Brexit deal, but the result wont be announced until tomorrow. To be fair to them, they are managing to do this 2 days earlier than they could have done, although they did have to extend the deadline beyond what was agreed when the deal was signed.
More wine fritz?
Condi said:
What young people miss the most, and value the most (IMO) is the freedom of movement. It's the ability to get a job in any city of the 27 member states and live there as long as you want. It's the ability to travel for more than 3 months out of 6 within the EU and visit all the countries you want for as long as you want.
We are the "EasyJet generation" for whom it is quicker to get from London to Paris than Edinburgh and easier to get to Milan than the Lake District.
Surely they miss the idea of FOM as so few made use of it.We are the "EasyJet generation" for whom it is quicker to get from London to Paris than Edinburgh and easier to get to Milan than the Lake District.
Condi said:
What young people miss the most, and value the most (IMO) is the freedom of movement. It's the ability to get a job in any city of the 27 member states and live there as long as you want. It's the ability to travel for more than 3 months out of 6 within the EU and visit all the countries you want for as long as you want.
We are the "EasyJet generation" for whom it is quicker to get from London to Paris than Edinburgh and easier to get to Milan than the Lake District.
You can still go and live and work anywhere you want in the world..... so long as you provide value to the host country. Exactly how it should be. We are the "EasyJet generation" for whom it is quicker to get from London to Paris than Edinburgh and easier to get to Milan than the Lake District.
Bandit said:
You can still go and live and work anywhere you want in the world..... so long as you provide value to the host country. Exactly how it should be.
If you believe that to be true then try getting a visa to the UK! There are people in Jamaica who's fathers have lived in the UK for 20 years and they still can't come here. Equally what about the OAPs with houses in Spain - they spend money there, pay property taxes, contribute to society, and yet can only be there on a tourist visa which allows them 3 months out of 6 before they have to leave. Often the UK pensioners have more disposable income than the locals.
You have a very simplistic view of the world I'm afraid, and it ain't really like that.
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