Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 2)

[Sway]

Condi said:

Bandit said:

You can still go and live and work anywhere you want in the world..... so long as you provide value to the host country. Exactly how it should be.

Equally what about the OAPs with houses in Spain - they spend money there, pay property taxes, contribute to society, and yet can only be there on a tourist visa which allows them 3 months out of 6 before they have to leave. Often the UK pensioners have more disposable income than the locals.

You have a very simplistic view of the world I'm afraid, and it ain't really like that.

If they already became resident prior to us leaving, their residence is covered under the enshrined rights within the UN Treaty of Vienna.

Unfortunately, it seems that certain authorities are not quite playing legally.

[anonymous-user]

Condi said:

Bandit said:

You can still go and live and work anywhere you want in the world..... so long as you provide value to the host country. Exactly how it should be.

If you believe that to be true then try getting a visa to the UK! There are people in Jamaica who's fathers have lived in the UK for 20 years and they still can't come here.

Equally what about the OAPs with houses in Spain - they spend money there, pay property taxes, contribute to society, and yet can only be there on a tourist visa which allows them 3 months out of 6 before they have to leave. Often the UK pensioners have more disposable income than the locals.

You have a very simplistic view of the world I'm afraid, and it ain't really like that.

I lived and worked in the US for many years. How on earth did I do that, I mean the US wasn’t part of the EU was it?

Why would you think that someone should be able to move to another country, just because they had some other family members living there? That’s just bizarre!

I guarantee you, once the EU have moved onto the acceptance phase and stopped throwing their toys out of their pram, U.K. pensioners will once again be welcomed back permanently.

So I’ll say it again. If you can provide value to a host country, they will welcome you to live and work there. Just as it should be.

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 28th April 07:49

[turbobloke]

Bandit said:

Condi said:

Bandit said:

You can still go and live and work anywhere you want in the world..... so long as you provide value to the host country. Exactly how it should be.

If you believe that to be true then try getting a visa to the UK! There are people in Jamaica who's fathers have lived in the UK for 20 years and they still can't come here.

Equally what about the OAPs with houses in Spain - they spend money there, pay property taxes, contribute to society, and yet can only be there on a tourist visa which allows them 3 months out of 6 before they have to leave. Often the UK pensioners have more disposable income than the locals.

You have a very simplistic view of the world I'm afraid, and it ain't really like that.

I lived and worked in the US for many years. How on earth did I do that, I mean the US wasn’t part of the EU was it?

Why would you think that someone should be able to move to another country, just because they had some other family members living there? That’s just bizarre!

I guarantee you, once the EU have moved onto the acceptance phase and stopped throwing their toys out of their pram, U.K. pensioners will once again be welcomed back permanently.

So I’ll say it again. If you can provide value to a host country, they will welcome you to live and work there. Just as it should be.

Yes it really is like that.

[amusingduck]

barryrs said:

Condi said:

What young people miss the most, and value the most (IMO) is the freedom of movement. It's the ability to get a job in any city of the 27 member states and live there as long as you want. It's the ability to travel for more than 3 months out of 6 within the EU and visit all the countries you want for as long as you want.

We are the "EasyJet generation" for whom it is quicker to get from London to Paris than Edinburgh and easier to get to Milan than the Lake District.

Surely they miss the idea of FOM as so few made use of it.

Quite. Add all the EU countries on this list together and Australia still wins


https://www.oecd.org/education/emigrants_report_fi...

[barryrs]

amusingduck said:

Quite. Add all the EU countries on this list together and Australia still wins


https://www.oecd.org/education/emigrants_report_fi...

I’d wager only a small number of those are the “young people” Condi is so concerned about.

[Digga]

barryrs said:

amusingduck said:

Quite. Add all the EU countries on this list together and Australia still wins


https://www.oecd.org/education/emigrants_report_fi...

I’d wager only a small number of those are the “young people” Condi is so concerned about.

"To move to Australia through the country's General Skilled Migration programme, an applicant must not have turned 50 years old by the date they apply for a visa. Any applicants aged 50 years old or over are simply not eligible for a skilled visa to Australia."

[JeffreyD]

Digga said:

"To move to Australia through the country's General Skilled Migration programme, an applicant must not have turned 50 years old by the date they apply for a visa. Any applicants aged 50 years old or over are simply not eligible for a skilled visa to Australia."

Would that number include a high proportion of those who used the assisted migration scheme back in the day?

The residency numbers ignores those who used to spend a great deal of time in the EU but preferred to keep their UK residency. That was a popular option for many.

[Vanden Saab]

JeffreyD said:

Digga said:

"To move to Australia through the country's General Skilled Migration programme, an applicant must not have turned 50 years old by the date they apply for a visa. Any applicants aged 50 years old or over are simply not eligible for a skilled visa to Australia."

Would that number include a high proportion of those who used the assisted migration scheme back in the day?

The residency numbers ignores those who used to spend a great deal of time in the EU but preferred to keep their UK residency. That was a popular option for many.

What has changed for that group unless they spend more than half the year in the EU?

[barryrs]

Digga said:

"To move to Australia through the country's General Skilled Migration programme, an applicant must not have turned 50 years old by the date they apply for a visa. Any applicants aged 50 years old or over are simply not eligible for a skilled visa to Australia."

I don’t consider sub 50 as a young person; I’m 42 and don’t consider myself a young person.

Perhaps I misunderstood but sub 25 would be a young person in my book.

[Fittster]

Study on 100 days of Brexit: companies break off trade with Great Britain


Brexit hits companies more clearly than feared. A good four months after the start of the new rules in foreign trade with Great Britain , two thirds of the companies assess the effects more negatively than expected at the beginning of the year, shows a recent survey by the British Chamber of Commerce in Germany (BCCG) with the consulting firm KPMG. German companies with business in Great Britain formed the focus. As a consequence, 17 percent decided to completely stop foreign trade with the island.

"The current results are a clear alarm signal," said BCCG President Michael Schmidt. "The fact that companies are considering or even deciding to completely cease foreign trade relations shows a further escalation level in the course of persistent unresolved problems between the two countries."

https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article230704951/Br...

[TriumphStag3.0V8]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

England rejoins? I get that some fools think Scotland will leave the Union, Northern Ireland too, but what will happen to Wales in this scenario? They voted to leave the EU too, so will it just be England Rejoining, leaving Wales to fend for themselves?

[turbobloke]

Oddschecker
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/brexit

Britain will not rejoin the EU by 2026
1/10 on
Britain will rejoin EU before 2026
5/1 against

Ardent remainers should be betting the farm on it, chances are they won't. Trolling is less risky.

[TriumphStag3.0V8]

Fittster said:

Study on 100 days of Brexit: companies break off trade with Great Britain


Brexit hits companies more clearly than feared. A good four months after the start of the new rules in foreign trade with Great Britain , two thirds of the companies assess the effects more negatively than expected at the beginning of the year, shows a recent survey by the British Chamber of Commerce in Germany (BCCG) with the consulting firm KPMG. German companies with business in Great Britain formed the focus. As a consequence, 17 percent decided to completely stop foreign trade with the island.

"The current results are a clear alarm signal," said BCCG President Michael Schmidt. "The fact that companies are considering or even deciding to completely cease foreign trade relations shows a further escalation level in the course of persistent unresolved problems between the two countries."

https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article230704951/Br...

Should that not be more alarming for the German companies that are now turning away customers? What portion of their trade are they losing?

Are the UK customers able to buy an equivalent product elsewhere?

[turbobloke]

Could be an excuse for worn out German fax machines.

[633Squadron]

Have we had this yet?
Brexit: European Parliament backs UK trade deal
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56899831


Frost happy
Boris happy

Barnier not happy
Verhofstadt not happy

[DeltonaS]

633Squadron said:

Have we had this yet?
Brexit: European Parliament backs UK trade deal
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56899831


Frost happy
Boris happy

Barnier not happy
Verhofstadt not happy

That must be the Great Boris the Bullstter then:

He described it as "a deal which will if anything allow our companies and our exporters to do even more business with our European friends".

Reality; Exports from the EU to the UK is down 20.2%. Where as exports from the UK to the EU is down 47.0%. Figures up to February 21 - report issued 16 April 2021.
Long term; Putting extra costs and bureacracy in the way of trade will of course have one outcome only; less business.

By the way one of the comments below the article:
Boris will respond for us;

"I don't care if rotting fish pile high in the streets!"

[TriumphStag3.0V8]

633Squadron said:

Have we had this yet?
Brexit: European Parliament backs UK trade deal
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56899831


Frost happy
Boris happy

Barnier not happy
Verhofstadt not happy

I give it 20 minutes before it is turned into a negative.

• Edit.... And right on cue, Deltona beats me to it while I was typing that

[Earthdweller]

barryrs said:

I don’t consider sub 50 as a young person; I’m 42 and don’t consider myself a young person.

Perhaps I misunderstood but sub 25 would be a young person in my book.

Haha

I’m over 50 and I don’t feel old nor consider myself old !

[DeltonaS]

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

633Squadron said:

Have we had this yet?
Brexit: European Parliament backs UK trade deal
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56899831


Frost happy
Boris happy

Barnier not happy
Verhofstadt not happy

I give it 20 minutes before it is turned into a negative.

• Edit.... And right on cue, Deltona beats me to it while I was typing that

Which took you 40 minutes to type ?

Did you have to change your typewrtiter ribbon ?

[Earthdweller]

633Squadron said:

Have we had this yet?
Brexit: European Parliament backs UK trade deal
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56899831


Frost happy
Boris happy

Barnier not happy
Verhofstadt not happy

Barrier was spot on though in his comments

"This is a divorce. It is a warning, Brexit. It's a failure of the European Union and we have to learn lessons from it," he told MEPs.