Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 2)

[JeffreyD]

You win lads

Well played.

[London424]

For those who are interested in fish

[crankedup5]

bhstewie said:

Sway said:

Just because they've been invited (especially when that invite was made when over half the G7 were part of the EU) does not mean they're globally influential...

Influence describes others looking at you and adopting your approaches/mindsets regarding stuff.

No one has copied the core EU on any of their core 'achievements'.

No 'four freedoms'
No single currency
No CAP type scheme
No explicit regs on FS
No unreconcilable International fiscal flows
Etc.

If you think the EU Parliament/Commission is globally influential, name three things that the wider world has adopted that the EU P/C were first to introduce.

The G7 leaders presumably think differently.

Still I'm sure you know best.

Leaders that have been voted into office by ordinary people or more politely, the electorate. These are not people with superior interlectural knowledge or some supernatural powers, they are ordinary people who chose a career in politics and claimed the greasy pole.
No I do not look upon them as the saviours.

[DeltonaS]

saaby93 said:

768 said:

JeffreyD said:

saaby93 said:

why are there 9 people at the G7
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-57433737



Does it look photoshopped to anyone else?

The EU are there as well, but I suppose that would be 8 rather than 9.

I think it's 8 and 9, one for the Council (back left), one for the Commission (back right).

Why is the EU there too?

Sometimes other nations are invited depending on the theme's discussed.

Other reason is the EU. Same as with the G20, the EU is invited as well. As an example; The Netherlands gave up it's permanent seat at the G20 because the G20 already contains many EU nations. Therefor instead of the permament seat, the NL's get's an invitation most of he time at the G20.

Edited by DeltonaS on Friday 11th June 19:31

[DeltonaS]

Sway said:

JeffreyD said:

Earthdweller said:

What nations actually trade with the EU ?

I'll stop after this post as it's a ridiculous debate.

Pertinent to the G7 countries - who will discuss trade with China on behalf of most of western Europe?


(I'll give you a clue there has been loads of news about it recently, if you type "What the fk is this brexit st that everyone has been wanging on about" into Google it will help explain a few things about the EU and the influence they have.)

Most of Western Europe's trade with China is done by the actual members there in Western Europe...

UK/France/Germany/Italy. They will account for more than 50% of the WE trade with China.

Brexit is not an example of global influence.

In 2020, both 21% of China exports and imports

Combined; Germany, the Netherlands, UK, France, Italy, Spain; in that order.

https://tradingeconomics.com/china/exports-by-coun...

[crankedup5]

Right now it is a very good moment to witness the overriding passion of National identity. See those
National flags and colours being waved and worn by Nationalists. Hear the roar of each section of stadiums representing. their National football team. I say this to counter years of BS from some in here who believe that Federalism is the way forward and National identity is secondary.

[Sway]

DeltonaS said:

Sway said:

JeffreyD said:

Earthdweller said:

What nations actually trade with the EU ?

I'll stop after this post as it's a ridiculous debate.

Pertinent to the G7 countries - who will discuss trade with China on behalf of most of western Europe?


(I'll give you a clue there has been loads of news about it recently, if you type "What the fk is this brexit st that everyone has been wanging on about" into Google it will help explain a few things about the EU and the influence they have.)

Most of Western Europe's trade with China is done by the actual members there in Western Europe...

UK/France/Germany/Italy. They will account for more than 50% of the WE trade with China.

Brexit is not an example of global influence.

In 2020, both 21% of China exports and imports

Combined; Germany, the Netherlands, UK, France, Italy, Spain; in that order.

https://tradingeconomics.com/china/exports-by-coun...

Which pretty much reinforces my point (especially when we consider the Rotterdam Effect for Netherlands values).

Out of Western Europe's trade with China, the extant full members there cover the majority of western Europe's values.

[mike9009]

I thought the EU was too influential and that was why we left??

Influencing trade deals, influencing regulations ( aerospace, medical), influencing product safety, influencing working time, influencing migration.....

[Sway]

mike9009 said:

I thought the EU was too influential and that was why we left??

Influencing trade deals, influencing regulations ( aerospace, medical), influencing product safety, influencing working time, influencing migration.....

Massive difference in influencing member's internal regs and markets, and the global influence claimed for which there's little evidence to support.

[768]

mike9009 said:

I thought the EU was too influential and that was why we left??

Perhaps that word globally, which you seem to have carefully omitted, means something.

[Tuna]

saaby93 said:

(Shamelessly stolen)

"What do you mean, nine to beam up?"

[JeffreyD]

Sway said:

Massive difference in influencing member's internal regs and markets, and the global influence claimed for which there's little evidence to support.

Ok I'll play whilst waiting for the chilli to finish off.

So they influence most of Europe's internal regs and markets.
And they negotiate trade deals on behalf of most of Europe.
And they get invited to G7 meetings.
But no global influence.

[Sway]

JeffreyD said:

Ok I'll play whilst waiting for the chilli to finish off.

So they influence most of Europe's internal regs and markets.
And they negotiate trade deals on behalf of most of Europe.
And they get invited to G7 meetings.
But no global influence.

You've got it.

Massive influence in Europe, poor record for global trade deals, observer status for a Northwestern centric body with around half it's full members also being part of the EU.

The globe is massively larger.

[JeffreyD]

Sway said:

You've got it.

Massive influence in Europe, poor record for global trade deals, observer status for a Northwestern centric body with around half it's full members also being part of the EU.

The globe is massively larger.

That edit is bad form

But in the end, crack on.

[Sway]

JeffreyD said:

Sway said:

You've got it.

Massive influence in Europe, poor record for global trade deals, observer status for a Northwestern centric body with around half it's full members also being part of the EU.

The globe is massively larger.

That edit is bad form

But in the end, crack on.

It's one post after yours, and saved the same large image loading twice in quick succession.

Hardly like I've completely changed the crux of your post.

It is rather amusing how despite piling in at how 'globally influencial' the EU is, there's not one example of said influence applying on a macro scale. Indeed, quite the opposite - it's really easy to point to loads of 'EU benefits' that no one else has copied...

To be fair, I say the same about the national hysteria over the NHS. A 'jewel' in the UK's crown, yet not one nation has copied it's model.

[DeltonaS]

Sway said:

DeltonaS said:

Sway said:

JeffreyD said:

Earthdweller said:

What nations actually trade with the EU ?

I'll stop after this post as it's a ridiculous debate.

Pertinent to the G7 countries - who will discuss trade with China on behalf of most of western Europe?


(I'll give you a clue there has been loads of news about it recently, if you type "What the fk is this brexit st that everyone has been wanging on about" into Google it will help explain a few things about the EU and the influence they have.)

Most of Western Europe's trade with China is done by the actual members there in Western Europe...

UK/France/Germany/Italy. They will account for more than 50% of the WE trade with China.

Brexit is not an example of global influence.

In 2020, both 21% of China exports and imports

Combined; Germany, the Netherlands, UK, France, Italy, Spain; in that order.

https://tradingeconomics.com/china/exports-by-coun...

Which pretty much reinforces my point (especially when we consider the Rotterdam Effect for Netherlands values).

Out of Western Europe's trade with China, the extant full members there cover the majority of western Europe's values.

True, but not necessarily just thanks to the Rotterdam effect.

The NL's is ahead of Spain when it comes to China imports for example. The NL's is also the 2nd largest agricutural exporter (after the US) in the world.

In Taiwan, the worlds largest chip producer, the NL's is the biggest EU investor etc.

[Sway]

DeltonaS said:

True, but not necessarily just thanks to the Rotterdam effect.

The NL's is ahead of Spain when it comes to China imports for example. The NL's is also the 2nd largest agricutural exporter (after the US) in the world.

In Taiwan, the worlds largest chip producer, the NL's is the biggest EU investor etc.

Agreed. NL does do very well in it's specialisms. RE does help with some trade figures though, and has always been very difficult to parse out.

[paulrockliffe]

London424 said:

For those who are interested in fish

So what you're saying is after a bit of a blip, it's now at record levels?

[saaby93]

Tuna said:

saaby93 said:

(Shamelessly stolen)

"What do you mean, nine to beam up?"

Is it possible to load that image somewhere to check if it's real?

There might be something about perspective there too

Edited by saaby93 on Friday 11th June 21:07

[loafer123]

Remind me why the EU needs so many “Presidents”?