Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
London424 said:
Manufacturing growth highest since records began.
https://www.sharecast.com/news/news-and-announceme...
It's looking like a good rebound following the pandemic induced slump, or are you suggesting that this is down to the positive economic effects of brexit? I notice that there is a quote in the piece from CBI deputy saying that brexit is limiting recovery. https://www.sharecast.com/news/news-and-announceme...
Vasco said:
Economic issues were not the major factor for many voters in the referendum. That's largely why many Remainers *still* don't understand.
I'm probably one of those to be honest. I accept the outcome of the vote and that we are moving forward with things on that basis, but don't feel like I ever really did understand why many felt so strongly behind the leave cause.Vasco said:
Economic issues were not the major factor for many voters in the referendum. That's largely why many Remainers *still* don't understand.
However what the issues were change as Brexiters are pulled up on them.It was all about immigration until Brexiters looked rather xenophobic.
What fig leaf issue are Brexiters hiding their views behind currently?
Fittster said:
Vasco said:
Economic issues were not the major factor for many voters in the referendum. That's largely why many Remainers *still* don't understand.
However what the issues were change as Brexiters are pulled up on them.It was all about immigration until Brexiters looked rather xenophobic.
What fig leaf issue are Brexiters hiding their views behind currently?
I thought a key issue for Brexiteers was they couldn't see why our future, our laws, our whole way of life, should be determined by numerous other countries. We are perfectly capable of looking after ourselves.
(Surely this has been done to death in many thousands of posts on this Forum - and STILL the 48% don't understand!).
Vasco said:
Economic issues were not the major factor for many voters in the referendum. That's largely why many Remainers *still* don't understand.
I'm a remainer and I agree with you on this. One of my main reasons for voting the way I did was based on the economy and not wanting to give up on the free trade agreement we were part of.I've asked a few leave voters why they voted that way and none mentioned the economy. They were more concerned about issues like sovereignty, immigration, taking control of our fishing waters, not being dictated to by the EU, EU creating an army, etc. I didn't really get it at the time but the more I read posts on here, the more I get a picture of a lot of the leave voters mindset.
I can't say I agree with sovereignty concerns. We had that while being a part of the EU. Dictatorship concerns, again for me we were part of a club and had a say on how things went and what the UK adopted. I didn't see us being under a dictatorship. I didn't agree on some of the things the EU came up with that the UK agreed to but that's different. Fishing, well we've seen how that is panning out. I couldn't see us ever adopting the Euro or agreeing to the EU army, etc.
I accept that a lot of concerns surrounding the EU are valid however and were a factor in people voting to leave. I didn't love all things EU or agree with everything they involved us with but I voted believing we were simply better off as part of the club. Nothing has changed that view for me but it is also clear that nothing has changed for the leave voters either.
Vasco said:
Not sure where you got that from.
I thought a key issue for Brexiteers was they couldn't see why our future, our laws, our whole way of life, should be determined by numerous other countries. We are perfectly capable of looking after ourselves.
(Surely this has been done to death in many thousands of posts on this Forum - and STILL the 48% don't understand!).
Surely people voted whatever way they did for all sorts of different reasons. I thought a key issue for Brexiteers was they couldn't see why our future, our laws, our whole way of life, should be determined by numerous other countries. We are perfectly capable of looking after ourselves.
(Surely this has been done to death in many thousands of posts on this Forum - and STILL the 48% don't understand!).
Not just for what you think is important.
Obviously it’s easier to make out you speak for some Borg like collective and then say remainers don’t understand when anyone discusses it though.
El stovey said:
Vasco said:
Not sure where you got that from.
I thought a key issue for Brexiteers was they couldn't see why our future, our laws, our whole way of life, should be determined by numerous other countries. We are perfectly capable of looking after ourselves.
(Surely this has been done to death in many thousands of posts on this Forum - and STILL the 48% don't understand!).
Surely people voted whatever way they did for all sorts of different reasons. I thought a key issue for Brexiteers was they couldn't see why our future, our laws, our whole way of life, should be determined by numerous other countries. We are perfectly capable of looking after ourselves.
(Surely this has been done to death in many thousands of posts on this Forum - and STILL the 48% don't understand!).
Not just for what you think is important.
Obviously it’s easier to make out you speak for some Borg like collective and then say remainers don’t understand when anyone discusses it though.
El stovey said:
Vasco said:
Not sure where you got that from.
I thought a key issue for Brexiteers was they couldn't see why our future, our laws, our whole way of life, should be determined by numerous other countries. We are perfectly capable of looking after ourselves.
(Surely this has been done to death in many thousands of posts on this Forum - and STILL the 48% don't understand!).
Surely people voted whatever way they did for all sorts of different reasons. I thought a key issue for Brexiteers was they couldn't see why our future, our laws, our whole way of life, should be determined by numerous other countries. We are perfectly capable of looking after ourselves.
(Surely this has been done to death in many thousands of posts on this Forum - and STILL the 48% don't understand!).
Not just for what you think is important.
Obviously it’s easier to make out you speak for some Borg like collective and then say remainers don’t understand when anyone discusses it though.
It's really quite simple, it starts
'I THOUGHT A KEY ISSUE.........'.
I'm sure many others have their own personal views, those were mine.
Vasco said:
Did you bother reading what I wrote ?
It's really quite simple, it starts
'I THOUGHT A KEY ISSUE.........'.
I'm sure many others have their own personal views, those were mine.
Not really it was all blah blah blah REMAINERS blah blah blah STILL DON’T GET IT!!!! blah blah blah, so I kind of switched off. It's really quite simple, it starts
'I THOUGHT A KEY ISSUE.........'.
I'm sure many others have their own personal views, those were mine.
At least you’ve finally conceded that you don’t know what everyone who voted for brexit wanted or why they voted that way.
Some were likely voting for economic reasons, some wanted to get rid of competition in their trade, some wanted better control over immigration, some wanted to stick their fingers up at elites, some, didn’t want to be in a federal Europe, some wanted more sovereignty etc etc etc
I’m the same way you don’t know what remainers understand or don’t understand because they’re all different, much like leavers.
t and decided they wanted out.amusingduck said:
smn159 said:
Just got a mail from my mobile provider confirming that surcharge free roaming in Europe is ending and I need to pay an extra £3.50/Gb once I've reached the 25Gb limit.
Luckily I can't leave the country even if I wanted to.
Sunlit uplands indeed.
Luckily I can't leave the country even if I wanted to.
Sunlit uplands indeed.
#FirstWorldProblems
digimeistter said:
amusingduck said:
smn159 said:
Just got a mail from my mobile provider confirming that surcharge free roaming in Europe is ending and I need to pay an extra £3.50/Gb once I've reached the 25Gb limit.
Luckily I can't leave the country even if I wanted to.
Sunlit uplands indeed.
Luckily I can't leave the country even if I wanted to.
Sunlit uplands indeed.
#FirstWorldProblems
So maybe not such a generous allowance for some.
amusingduck said:
Nickgnome said:
Or Ipad or Hot spot with laptop which is common practice.
So maybe not such a generous allowance for some.
If business, should be expensed.So maybe not such a generous allowance for some.
If pleasure, put the phone down for a bit
Some people like to stream stuff and use phone as hot spot. I use Tidal regularly.
digimeistter said:
I see over 5.6m EU 'Nationals' have applied for permanent residency with applications still coming in.
How many UK Nationals have applied for EU (insert Country of choice) residency?
One could interpret a much lesser number as UK workers being insular, stay at home types with limited ambition. How many UK Nationals have applied for EU (insert Country of choice) residency?
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