Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 2)

[barryrs]

JagLover said:

crankedup5 said:

Unknown_User said:

It’s now claimed that we face a summer of food shortages due to (amongst other things) Brexit.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-facing-summer...

Yup, this has been reported over main media outlets or several months, are lorry drivers so badly paid and the hours so demanding to make the work unattractive? Seems so.

Looks like another sector where workers will soon be paid a fair wage. More good news from Brexit

Not sure if I’m due a parrot but.

Is the reduction in HGV drivers partial to a drink, happy to live full time in a cab, clog up every and any trading estate and to defecate in the bushes a bad thing on the whole?

[B'stard Child]

Tuna said:

JeffreyD said:

You are absolutely part of the problem, and I wouldn't be surprised if you are a professional shill.

Oh I don't know... Piha is far from professional.

I preferred Jaw Knee - I wanted to keep him

Piha - not so much

[Digga]

JagLover said:

crankedup5 said:

Unknown_User said:

It’s now claimed that we face a summer of food shortages due to (amongst other things) Brexit.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-facing-summer...

Yup, this has been reported over main media outlets or several months, are lorry drivers so badly paid and the hours so demanding to make the work unattractive? Seems so.

Looks like another sector where workers will soon be paid a fair wage. More good news from Brexit

It was layers of issues.

• Driver CPC changes took nearly all casual, qualified HGV drivers out of the equation
• Brexit did for some EU workers
• COVID prevented (still prevents) some from returning to UK
• Government roll out of IR35 changes (many truck drivers, especially EU were contractors, rather than PAYE) were catastrophically timed

A clusterfk, and blaming solely on Brexit is unwise, because it gives the government an excuse not to look at causes closer to home.

[blueg33]

JagLover said:

crankedup5 said:

Unknown_User said:

It’s now claimed that we face a summer of food shortages due to (amongst other things) Brexit.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-facing-summer...

Yup, this has been reported over main media outlets or several months, are lorry drivers so badly paid and the hours so demanding to make the work unattractive? Seems so.

Looks like another sector where workers will soon be paid a fair wage. More good news from Brexit

Average pay for an HGV driver is £32,500 range is £27,000 to £37,500, Average pay in the UK is £31,461

You could argue that they already receive a fair wage

We cannot just magic up trained lorry drivers, the impact on the supply chain for many things including food is a direct result of Brexit. This impact has and will continue to lead to shortages of food on the shelves, wastage of perishables and increased prices for the man in the street.

[crankedup5]

blueg33 said:

Listening to a panel discussion on the radio on Tuesday. Both leavers and remainers.

There was an interesting stat from polls the show quoted

Most leavers still think we should have left
Most remainers still think we should have remained
Most undecided now think we should have remained

Percentages. 51 percent remain 49 percent leave

Seeing as the brexit is only six months into being I’m surprised at those numbers. Time will ease bad feeling and see the new independence changes converge into the new normal.
It will be interesting to see the numbers of a poll come 2025.

[crankedup5]

JagLover said:

crankedup5 said:

Unknown_User said:

It’s now claimed that we face a summer of food shortages due to (amongst other things) Brexit.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-facing-summer...

Yup, this has been reported over main media outlets or several months, are lorry drivers so badly paid and the hours so demanding to make the work unattractive? Seems so.

Looks like another sector where workers will soon be paid a fair wage. More good news from Brexit

Looking at a salary of a ‘new to the job’ driver of around £22 - £25k. Doesn’t seem much given that the median is £27k. Prospects for a driver to rise to £40k , likely long distance and away from family life for days on end.

[crankedup5]

blueg33 said:

JagLover said:

crankedup5 said:

Unknown_User said:

It’s now claimed that we face a summer of food shortages due to (amongst other things) Brexit.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-facing-summer...

Yup, this has been reported over main media outlets or several months, are lorry drivers so badly paid and the hours so demanding to make the work unattractive? Seems so.

Looks like another sector where workers will soon be paid a fair wage. More good news from Brexit

Average pay for an HGV driver is £32,500 range is £27,000 to £37,500, Average pay in the UK is £31,461

You could argue that they already receive a fair wage

We cannot just magic up trained lorry drivers, the impact on the supply chain for many things including food is a direct result of Brexit. This impact has and will continue to lead to shortages of food on the shelves, wastage of perishables and increased prices for the man in the street.

Do Companies like High St supermarkets upon contractor drivers / self employed or do they employ them on their books?
In other news the cockle season has started, exports into the EU mean that suppliers. must wash/
cook the product and keep a record / show labels to customs that will ensure smooth passage into the EU. It really doesn’t seem onerous.

[crankedup5]

Mortarboard said:

I have to say, for all the trivialising of the roaming charge, one day of the roaming benefit is the same as 4 years of the benefit from the Australian deal.

Brexit really making an impact in the pockets of the UK residents

M.

Did you include the savings that we are making from our exit of the EU?

[JeffreyD]

crankedup5 said:

Did you include the savings that we are making from our exit of the EU?

Which savings are they?

[PeteinSQ]

JagLover said:

Looks like another sector where workers will soon be paid a fair wage. More good news from Brexit

There is actually some truth to this, but I guess the impact on the rest of the economy will be quite inflationary.

[Tuna]

Mortarboard said:

I have to say, for all the trivialising of the roaming charge, one day of the roaming benefit is the same as 4 years of the benefit from the Australian deal.

Brexit really making an impact in the pockets of the UK residents

M.

Says it all that you think this deserves a

Would love to see your numbers for that claim though.

[crankedup5]

JeffreyD said:

crankedup5 said:

Did you include the savings that we are making from our exit of the EU?

Which savings are they?

350 million for our NHS for starters
Avoidance of the debt mutualisation programme for seconds

Just for fun, not having to pick up the tab for juncker’s wine bill.

[Mortarboard]

crankedup5 said:

Did you include the savings that we are making from our exit of the EU?

And did you include the costs that you are bearing due to your exit of the EU?

M.

[james6546]

I just went to our building supply place, put 20 bags of cement in the back of the pickup, went to put it onto our account, only to be told that the max order was 10 due to a brexit supply issue!

They know us there, so she did go into the office and they let me take them, but I was panicking at the thought of having to take them all out again!

[Mortarboard]

Tuna said:

Says it all that you think this deserves a

Would love to see your numbers for that claim though.

Take your pick, my fishy friend.

UK gov estimate 34 million a year savings. About 50p each, p.a.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-agrees-histo...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1450192/Australi...
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/15/u...

M.

[crankedup5]

Mortarboard said:

crankedup5 said:

Did you include the savings that we are making from our exit of the EU?

And did you include the costs that you are bearing due to your exit of the EU?

M.

Still waiting to see your sums from your previous post? However, I do not feel any worse off financially at the moment. If I see a product that seems expensive I will not purchase and find an option, simple housekeeping. If its a product of U.K.
As an aside Brexit was never all about he financials for me, sure partly. The main factors I and others have stated hundreds of times.
We managed before the EU came into being and we will manage again.

[crankedup5]

blueg33 said:

JagLover said:

crankedup5 said:

Unknown_User said:

It’s now claimed that we face a summer of food shortages due to (amongst other things) Brexit.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-facing-summer...

Yup, this has been reported over main media outlets or several months, are lorry drivers so badly paid and the hours so demanding to make the work unattractive? Seems so.

Looks like another sector where workers will soon be paid a fair wage. More good news from Brexit

Average pay for an HGV driver is £32,500 range is £27,000 to £37,500, Average pay in the UK is £31,461

You could argue that they already receive a fair wage

We cannot just magic up trained lorry drivers, the impact on the supply chain for many things including food is a direct result of Brexit. This impact has and will continue to lead to shortages of food on the shelves, wastage of perishables and increased prices for the man in the street.

Fair days work for a fair days pay, an old adage which stands today. Far to many workers have been hit over the past couple of decades with all sorts of money saving schemes dreamed up in the Management Boards. Good for shareholders and good for Company profits. Maybe the tide is once again turning?

[Mortarboard]

crankedup5 said:

Still waiting to see your sums from your previous post? However, I do not feel any worse off financially at the moment. If I see a product that seems expensive I will not purchase and find an option, simple housekeeping. If its a product of U.K.
As an aside Brexit was never all about he financials for me, sure partly. The main factors I and others have stated hundreds of times.
We managed before the EU came into being and we will manage again.

Looks like we cross-posted. (Besides, 14 minutes isnt a long wait)

Not my sums - they're the UK government's.
And if these deals are not for UK citizens' benefit, just what or whose benefit are they for?

You've mentioned immigration as a factor before, considering the Aus deal looks to allow increased inward (to the UK) immigration, does that color your views of the (proposed) deal in any way?

M.

[crankedup5]

Mortarboard said:

Tuna said:

Says it all that you think this deserves a

Would love to see your numbers for that claim though.

Take your pick, my fishy friend.

UK gov estimate 34 million a year savings. About 50p each, p.a.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-agrees-histo...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1450192/Australi...
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/15/u...

M.

I also asked for numbers so thanks for the links. TBH I cannot see any bad news in those links especially as it’s the very early stage of trade with Australia. And of course we still trade with the EU Countries. What is not to like?

[crankedup5]

Mortarboard said:

Looms like we cross-posted.

Not my sums - they're the UK government's.
And if these deals are not for UK citizens' benefit, just what or whose benefit are they for?

You've mentioned immigration as a factor before, considering the Aus deal looks to allow increased inward (to the UK) immigration, does that color your views of the (proposed) deal in any way?

M.

Ozzie immigrants are welcome just as much as ROW immigrants PROVIDING these people meet the requirements demanded by our Governments to live and work here. What peed me off being in the EU was the open door policy which allowed unfettered access in uncontrolled numbers.