Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 2)
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Surely all can agree that corruption is bad and should be treated accordingly be it in the UK or EU or anywhere.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3159221/E...
oh look, scroll down and there is Nigel mixing with his high calibre team including jailed fraudster Mote
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3159221/E...
oh look, scroll down and there is Nigel mixing with his high calibre team including jailed fraudster Mote
DeepEnd said:
Surely all can agree that corruption is bad and should be treated accordingly be it in the UK or EU or anywhere.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3159221/E...
oh look, scroll down and there is Nigel mixing with his high calibre team including jailed fraudster Mote
Poor old Glo..still has the selective goggles on I see..except the article doesn't seem to support what you think it does https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3159221/E...
oh look, scroll down and there is Nigel mixing with his high calibre team including jailed fraudster Mote
"Between 2004, when he was elected MEP, and 2009 he claimed a total of £750,000"
"He sat as an independent MEP until 2009, when he decided not to stand for re-election."
"Mote was elected as a Ukip MEP for South East England in 2004, but shortly before he took up his seat he was thrown out of Nigel Farage's party because he was being prosecuted by the Department for Work and Pensions for benefit fraud"
"'He was an independent. Many people will rightly think he has received a just reward for his actions."
So he fiddled his MEP expenses while he was an Independent MEP and Farage threw him out of the party because of benefit fraud.....bless his little cotton socks
Digga said:
powerstroke said:
Oh bless em ... the remnants have run out of steam and
Are in ad hom mode ....
Melt. Down.Are in ad hom mode ....
It’s pathetic and revealing. People should be capable of self moderation, if they wish to be debated with, let alone taken seriously.
chrispmartha said:
I know, Stongle really has no self control.
And the Farage fans are out to defend their immigration hero - proudly posting videos of him lying about that too very recently - even after the home office confirmed he was totally lying and making it up.I liked it on the trump threads when posters repeating proven lies just got them deleted - similar to when twitter blocked Trumps dangerous rhetoric around the capitol riots. Farage’s putrid lies deserve the same treatment.
Meanwhile, some good news.....
https://twitter.com/PranMan/status/136633039156983...
...sponsored by the UK Government. This is going a bit further than Charley Says and Green Cross (Code) Man - and not in a good way.
Edited by DeepEnd on Monday 1st March 21:25
crankedup said:
Also we have not stopped trading with the EU, we have not ‘lost’ our trade with it, but it is more cumbersome whilst the changes bed in.
The changes with the E.U. will not ‘bed in’. They are a structural part of being a third country. The E.U. was 43% of U.K. trade. That just got harder and more expensive. You need to make 43% of the remaining trade easier and cheaper, just to break even. Ain’t happening.
stongle said:
The Brexit positive economics do not come from international trade. Too much is made of it. The Brexit upsides are driven by 2 factors:
1. Adjustments in UK fiscal investments and growth initiatives, mainly centered on regional redevelopment. Of course this is an assumption that the UK govt will do this - belief in that is varied (it might be the next govt doing that lifting). This is in line with Central Bankers view to realign stimulus into fiscal tools. There really isn't a choice not too. There is also research from Harvard etc, that suggests the UK economy has more growth room in it, than Germany (for instance). Basically, done correctly we would respond better to fiscal stimulus
2. Global immigration. Reshaping our immigration policy (as planned under the Fintech growth strategy), improves the value add of inward immigration flows. You cannot escape the UKs aging population, attracting the right migrants is the way to go. And lots of em. We might find we are in a migrant talent race globally soon. Of course ditching FoM reduces drag on wage inflation too, removing Corporate Abuse - but that makes heads explode as you are not allowed e a range of views.
Of course there is also additional fiscal transfer into the EU that many believe is a distinct possibility - but let's leave that one for now....
All this has been posted previously with the source studies (not some posters go to sources of the Express or LBC for instant triggers).
All of this could have been done in the E.U., without making the relationship with the E.U. more difficult as it is now. 1. Adjustments in UK fiscal investments and growth initiatives, mainly centered on regional redevelopment. Of course this is an assumption that the UK govt will do this - belief in that is varied (it might be the next govt doing that lifting). This is in line with Central Bankers view to realign stimulus into fiscal tools. There really isn't a choice not too. There is also research from Harvard etc, that suggests the UK economy has more growth room in it, than Germany (for instance). Basically, done correctly we would respond better to fiscal stimulus
2. Global immigration. Reshaping our immigration policy (as planned under the Fintech growth strategy), improves the value add of inward immigration flows. You cannot escape the UKs aging population, attracting the right migrants is the way to go. And lots of em. We might find we are in a migrant talent race globally soon. Of course ditching FoM reduces drag on wage inflation too, removing Corporate Abuse - but that makes heads explode as you are not allowed e a range of views.
Of course there is also additional fiscal transfer into the EU that many believe is a distinct possibility - but let's leave that one for now....
All this has been posted previously with the source studies (not some posters go to sources of the Express or LBC for instant triggers).
Iminquarantine said:
All of this could have been done in the E.U., without making the relationship with the E.U. more difficult as it is now.
It is odd isn't. "The justification for leaving is to do this thing we could do anyway."Farage has many fans here - some even may even be running their direct debits still, whilst others proudly promote his lies.
Lance Forman, a former Brexit Party member of the European Parliament, said that the UK government should compensate the seafood industry for Brexit-related disruption.
Lance Forman, a leading Brexit proponent and the owner of London-based salmon smoker H Forman & Sons, is calling for the UK government to compensate businesses damaged by disruption linked to his country's departure from the European Union.
UK seafood businesses faced a completely upended logistics landscape on Jan. 1, the official departure date. The chaos led to hefty losses from severe shipping delays and lost orders as companies struggled to get paperwork in order.
Forman, a former member of the European Parliament representing the Brexit party, said the current situation is not a Brexit problem, "but a problem of British bureaucracy not being ready in time."
As a result of that failure, Forman said the government needs to pay back companies impacted.
"I think the government really has a duty to support those businesses to compensate them for the losses they might have incurred,
Lance Forman, a leading Brexit proponent and the owner of London-based salmon smoker H Forman & Sons, is calling for the UK government to compensate businesses damaged by disruption linked to his country's departure from the European Union.
UK seafood businesses faced a completely upended logistics landscape on Jan. 1, the official departure date. The chaos led to hefty losses from severe shipping delays and lost orders as companies struggled to get paperwork in order.
Forman, a former member of the European Parliament representing the Brexit party, said the current situation is not a Brexit problem, "but a problem of British bureaucracy not being ready in time."
As a result of that failure, Forman said the government needs to pay back companies impacted.
"I think the government really has a duty to support those businesses to compensate them for the losses they might have incurred,
Iminquarantine said:
crankedup said:
Also we have not stopped trading with the EU, we have not ‘lost’ our trade with it, but it is more cumbersome whilst the changes bed in.
The changes with the E.U. will not ‘bed in’. They are a structural part of being a third country. The E.U. was 43% of U.K. trade. That just got harder and more expensive. You need to make 43% of the remaining trade easier and cheaper, just to break even. Ain’t happening.
Fortunately I do not share your vision of doom and gloom.
Fittster said:
Lance Forman, a former Brexit Party member of the European Parliament, said that the UK government should compensate the seafood industry for Brexit-related disruption.
Lance Forman, a leading Brexit proponent and the owner of London-based salmon smoker H Forman & Sons, is calling for the UK government to compensate businesses damaged by disruption linked to his country's departure from the European Union.
UK seafood businesses faced a completely upended logistics landscape on Jan. 1, the official departure date. The chaos led to hefty losses from severe shipping delays and lost orders as companies struggled to get paperwork in order.
Forman, a former member of the European Parliament representing the Brexit party, said the current situation is not a Brexit problem, "but a problem of British bureaucracy not being ready in time."
As a result of that failure, Forman said the government needs to pay back companies impacted.
"I think the government really has a duty to support those businesses to compensate them for the losses they might have incurred,
Government is supporting the Industry, in case you missed it along with Lance Forman, the U.K. Government is handing over £100 million grant aid. Lance Forman, a leading Brexit proponent and the owner of London-based salmon smoker H Forman & Sons, is calling for the UK government to compensate businesses damaged by disruption linked to his country's departure from the European Union.
UK seafood businesses faced a completely upended logistics landscape on Jan. 1, the official departure date. The chaos led to hefty losses from severe shipping delays and lost orders as companies struggled to get paperwork in order.
Forman, a former member of the European Parliament representing the Brexit party, said the current situation is not a Brexit problem, "but a problem of British bureaucracy not being ready in time."
As a result of that failure, Forman said the government needs to pay back companies impacted.
"I think the government really has a duty to support those businesses to compensate them for the losses they might have incurred,
Fittster said:
Lance Forman, a former Brexit Party member of the European Parliament, said that the UK government should compensate the seafood industry for Brexit-related disruption.
Lance Forman, a leading Brexit proponent and the owner of London-based salmon smoker H Forman & Sons, is calling for the UK government to compensate businesses damaged by disruption linked to his country's departure from the European Union.
UK seafood businesses faced a completely upended logistics landscape on Jan. 1, the official departure date. The chaos led to hefty losses from severe shipping delays and lost orders as companies struggled to get paperwork in order.
Forman, a former member of the European Parliament representing the Brexit party, said the current situation is not a Brexit problem, "but a problem of British bureaucracy not being ready in time."
As a result of that failure, Forman said the government needs to pay back companies impacted.
"I think the government really has a duty to support those businesses to compensate them for the losses they might have incurred,
Some brass neck there. Vote for something out of greed, get your business walloped (as you were warned) then expect taxpayers to bail him out. Lance Forman, a leading Brexit proponent and the owner of London-based salmon smoker H Forman & Sons, is calling for the UK government to compensate businesses damaged by disruption linked to his country's departure from the European Union.
UK seafood businesses faced a completely upended logistics landscape on Jan. 1, the official departure date. The chaos led to hefty losses from severe shipping delays and lost orders as companies struggled to get paperwork in order.
Forman, a former member of the European Parliament representing the Brexit party, said the current situation is not a Brexit problem, "but a problem of British bureaucracy not being ready in time."
As a result of that failure, Forman said the government needs to pay back companies impacted.
"I think the government really has a duty to support those businesses to compensate them for the losses they might have incurred,
Some highlights (from wiki - allegedly true):
- tweeted Jeremy Corbyn is a Nazi,
- tweeted Islamophobia in the Conservative party is "made up by the left",
- tweeted "British taxpayer has paid for a nice fleet" of Mercedes for MEPs in Brussels (while posting a picture of what was actually a Skoda)
- shared a video of himself apparently unable to operate the voting machines at the EU parliament, which he claimed was evidence that there was "no democracy here".
- He has claimed that EU packaging and hygiene regulations have cost his business hundreds of thousands of pounds annually, which is the principal reason he is in favour of Brexit. Seems a pretty lame reason given likelihood of regression in this area (nil). Now he wants taxpayers cash to make up for his idiocy
- Forman is a climate change denier.
- Forman's son Oliver (Ollie) Anisfeld is the CEO of Turning Point UK, the British branch of Turning Point USA, a controversial, far-right, pro-Trump organisation - org subject to controversy at its launch, after conservative commentator, Candace Owens, was criticised for her remarks stating, the “problem” with Hitler was that “he had dreams outside of Germany.".
- Lance Forman r hosting a public meeting of Turning Point UK, in which Forman was also a panel member.
Are you sure it was hygiene regulations Lance?
Edited by DeepEnd on Monday 1st March 23:18
DeepEnd said:
Fittster said:
Lance Forman, a former Brexit Party member of the European Parliament, said that the UK government should compensate the seafood industry for Brexit-related disruption.
Lance Forman, a leading Brexit proponent and the owner of London-based salmon smoker H Forman & Sons, is calling for the UK government to compensate businesses damaged by disruption linked to his country's departure from the European Union.
UK seafood businesses faced a completely upended logistics landscape on Jan. 1, the official departure date. The chaos led to hefty losses from severe shipping delays and lost orders as companies struggled to get paperwork in order.
Forman, a former member of the European Parliament representing the Brexit party, said the current situation is not a Brexit problem, "but a problem of British bureaucracy not being ready in time."
As a result of that failure, Forman said the government needs to pay back companies impacted.
"I think the government really has a duty to support those businesses to compensate them for the losses they might have incurred,
Some brass neck there. Vote for something out of greed, get your business walloped (as you were warned) then expect taxpayers to bail him out. Lance Forman, a leading Brexit proponent and the owner of London-based salmon smoker H Forman & Sons, is calling for the UK government to compensate businesses damaged by disruption linked to his country's departure from the European Union.
UK seafood businesses faced a completely upended logistics landscape on Jan. 1, the official departure date. The chaos led to hefty losses from severe shipping delays and lost orders as companies struggled to get paperwork in order.
Forman, a former member of the European Parliament representing the Brexit party, said the current situation is not a Brexit problem, "but a problem of British bureaucracy not being ready in time."
As a result of that failure, Forman said the government needs to pay back companies impacted.
"I think the government really has a duty to support those businesses to compensate them for the losses they might have incurred,
Some highlights (from wiki - allegedly true):
- tweeted Jeremy Corbyn is a Nazi,
- tweeted Islamophobia in the Conservative party is "made up by the left",
- tweeted "British taxpayer has paid for a nice fleet" of Mercedes for MEPs in Brussels (while posting a picture of what was actually a Skoda)
- shared a video of himself apparently unable to operate the voting machines at the EU parliament, which he claimed was evidence that there was "no democracy here".
- He has claimed that EU packaging and hygiene regulations have cost his business hundreds of thousands of pounds annually, which is the principal reason he is in favour of Brexit. Seems a pretty lame reason given likelihood of regression in this area (nil). Now he wants taxpayers cash to make up for his idiocy
- Forman is a climate change denier.
- Forman's son Oliver (Ollie) Anisfeld is the CEO of Turning Point UK, the British branch of Turning Point USA, a controversial, far-right, pro-Trump organisation - org subject to controversy at its launch, after conservative commentator, Candace Owens, was criticised for her remarks stating, the “problem” with Hitler was that “he had dreams outside of Germany.".
- Lance Forman r hosting a public meeting of Turning Point UK, in which Forman was also a panel member.
Are you sure it was hygiene regulations Lance?
Edited by DeepEnd on Monday 1st March 23:18
chrispmartha said:
stongle said:
chrispmartha said:
Objective hard data? You think the Brexit debate was won on those things?
What debate? or do you mean referendum.The 2 are quite different...... the former will last years. The later was a matter of opinion - and FA else.
Oh, and the process of Brexit is far from over (someone was saying Brexit was done yesterday - its not).
As for referential humour. It amuses me, and those around me. If you don't like it, try the script. I treat serious posters such as Roger with more respect - why would that be?
The debate on wether the UK leaves the EU is very much over, the debate on wether it was worthwhile however...(they are two separate things).
I said you don’t understand referential humour, maybe those around you are just humouring you?
Edited by chrispmartha on Monday 1st March 19:54
hies head subscribe to the same theory on FoM as Corbyn. Thats an echo chamber of err 1.And you whined about nuance? Seriously, you are throwing out words you don't understand the meaning off.
Iminquarantine said:
All of this could have been done in the E.U., without making the relationship with the E.U. more difficult as it is now.
We could have done 1 but not 2 (because you have to ditch FoM). I didn't say we couldn't have done 1, but a whole raft of pro-EU politicians didn't, did they. The fiscal medicine has been known since 2015 Lagarde is one of its biggest proponents....Try harder.
Edited by stongle on Monday 1st March 23:56
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