Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 2)

[PeteinSQ]

andymadmak said:

This fella? http://fas-polisci.rutgers.edu/dkelemen/ He's quite a Europhile, and I'd question his impartiality. I cannot see his list, but if it's anything like the lists that get posted on here from time to time it will be mostly subjective, emotive nonsense mixed with one or two valid points.

Anyways, we've left. How about you get over your feelings of anger about that and move on?

and how are people supposed to do that when they get daily reminders of how much of a fk up it has been?

[Tuna]

andymadmak said:

ElectricSoup said:

I remember someone in this forum once telling me that they had had something like 876 reasons for voting Leave, but wouldn't offer to actually describe one coherently. Anyway, someone has gone to the trouble of collating all the negative impacts of Brexit which he has noticed, in Twitter posts, and he's going to stop when he gets to 1,000 as he's getting bored. Nearly there. He's a Professor of Political Science and Law in the USA. But I expect a lot of you in here will have had enough of experts and prefer to go with their "feelings".

https://twitter.com/rdanielkelemen/status/14392084...

This fella? http://fas-polisci.rutgers.edu/dkelemen/ He's quite a Europhile, and I'd question his impartiality. I cannot see his list, but if it's anything like the lists that get posted on here from time to time it will be mostly subjective, emotive nonsense mixed with one or two valid points.

Anyways, we've left. How about you get over your feelings of anger about that and move on?

"Stubbed my toe, I blame Brexit".

[PeteinSQ]

Crackie said:

I'm a little older but not much......I was educated almost entirely in metric too. Metric system makes perfect sense and yet ask everyone on PH about their car's fuel consumption > 90% would be able tell you the MPG off the top of their head but haven't got the slightest clue about Litres/100Km without looking it up. Similarly they'll know their car's top speed, and the NSL and the thresholds for speeding conviction in mph not km/h. A few will tell you their weight in KG but many still tell you in stones and tell you their height in feet and inches and their shoe size using an imperial measurement too.

Ask a mate if they fancy coming out for a couple.............. pints or litres?? Be honest.

and being in the EU never stopped you using those measurements ffs/

[blueg33]

Tuna said:

"Stubbed my toe, I blame Brexit".

You stubbed it on an item that would have been in Europe if it hadn't been delayed because we are now a 3rd country

[B'stard Child]

ElectricSoup said:

I remember someone in this forum once telling me that they had had something like 876 reasons for voting Leave, but wouldn't offer to actually describe one coherently.

I'm sure that wasn't directed at me but if it was ..... Your memory is failing or being selective - it was 274 to leave and 8 to stay and I shared many of them pre referendum and none were de-bunked

Actually it was 273 because I had "eurovision" in the reasons to leave

Anyway if my memory is playing tricks on me someone who had houses both the UK and in Europe was going to have to make jam or chutney to make ends meet

ElectricSoup said:

Anyway, someone has gone to the trouble of collating all the negative impacts of Brexit which he has noticed, in Twitter posts, and he's going to stop when he gets to 1,000 as he's getting bored.

I know how he feels

[Ahonen]

Tuna said:

Ahonen said:

Oilchange said:

Interesting you mention an Americans feelings on Brexit.

Ask any American if they would vote to join an organisation like the EU with all its Commission and laws and stuff and they'd run a mile. Actually they'd run several and probably drop dead from exhaustion.

Arguably they are already in one. A collection of states, each with their own local laws, with a flag containing one star for each of them...

The notable difference is the Federal State has central control over taxation, and the individual members have maintained the right to bear arms - which is specifically about the right to oppose "the Feds" (theoretical, of course, but there's a reason American's cling to their guns). The relationship between individual states in the US and the USA as a whole is an entire world away from the relationship between the EU members and the EC.

Of course, there are people who see the superficial resemblance, and ask silly questions like "Why can't we be like that"

Yes, obviously. I was just amused by the idea of an American being horrified by the concept of the EU, when there are clearly some parallels (beyond the stars on the flag).

[skwdenyer]

Tuna said:

Ahonen said:

Oilchange said:

Interesting you mention an Americans feelings on Brexit.

Ask any American if they would vote to join an organisation like the EU with all its Commission and laws and stuff and they'd run a mile. Actually they'd run several and probably drop dead from exhaustion.

Arguably they are already in one. A collection of states, each with their own local laws, with a flag containing one star for each of them...

The notable difference is the Federal State has central control over taxation, and the individual members have maintained the right to bear arms - which is specifically about the right to oppose "the Feds" (theoretical, of course, but there's a reason American's cling to their guns). The relationship between individual states in the US and the USA as a whole is an entire world away from the relationship between the EU members and the EC.

Of course, there are people who see the superficial resemblance, and ask silly questions like "Why can't we be like that"

I don't see it as especially silly to wonder what the benefits of a more federal Europe might be. Why do you think it silly?

[Nickgnome]

PeteinSQ said:

Crackie said:

I'm a little older but not much......I was educated almost entirely in metric too. Metric system makes perfect sense and yet ask everyone on PH about their car's fuel consumption > 90% would be able tell you the MPG off the top of their head but haven't got the slightest clue about Litres/100Km without looking it up. Similarly they'll know their car's top speed, and the NSL and the thresholds for speeding conviction in mph not km/h. A few will tell you their weight in KG but many still tell you in stones and tell you their height in feet and inches and their shoe size using an imperial measurement too.

Ask a mate if they fancy coming out for a couple.............. pints or litres?? Be honest.

and being in the EU never stopped you using those measurements ffs/

It's a pity it didn't though. Metric is sooo much easier and thought through. I dumped imperial when SI was introduced to me in about 1971. Never looked back.

The cost to industry of using duplicate measures must be immense.

[Oilchange]

Ahonen said:

Tuna said:

Ahonen said:

Oilchange said:

Interesting you mention an Americans feelings on Brexit.

Ask any American if they would vote to join an organisation like the EU with all its Commission and laws and stuff and they'd run a mile. Actually they'd run several and probably drop dead from exhaustion.

Arguably they are already in one. A collection of states, each with their own local laws, with a flag containing one star for each of them...

The notable difference is the Federal State has central control over taxation, and the individual members have maintained the right to bear arms - which is specifically about the right to oppose "the Feds" (theoretical, of course, but there's a reason American's cling to their guns). The relationship between individual states in the US and the USA as a whole is an entire world away from the relationship between the EU members and the EC.

Of course, there are people who see the superficial resemblance, and ask silly questions like "Why can't we be like that"

Yes, obviously. I was just amused by the idea of an American being horrified by the concept of the EU, when there are clearly some parallels (beyond the stars on the flag).

I thought a moment on that argument and then realised that there is a country in Europe with four entities that are aligned under one flag, much like the USA (-guns).
They are England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.

[Crackie]

PeteinSQ said:

Crackie said:

I'm a little older but not much......I was educated almost entirely in metric too. Metric system makes perfect sense and yet ask everyone on PH about their car's fuel consumption > 90% would be able tell you the MPG off the top of their head but haven't got the slightest clue about Litres/100Km without looking it up. Similarly they'll know their car's top speed, and the NSL and the thresholds for speeding conviction in mph not km/h. A few will tell you their weight in KG but many still tell you in stones and tell you their height in feet and inches and their shoe size using an imperial measurement too.

Ask a mate if they fancy coming out for a couple.............. pints or litres?? Be honest.

and being in the EU never stopped you using those measurements ffs/

Where has anyone suggested that it has.

I said the metric system makes far more sense............ The point is that many people in the UK, most in my experience, still choose imperial when both options are available; certainly with regard to most things motoring related or their own height / weight / clothing measurements ( 36" waist / 17" neck etc.)

Edited by Crackie on Monday 20th September 18:52

[anonymous-user]

Nickgnome said:

It's a pity it didn't though. Metric is sooo much easier and thought through. I dumped imperial when SI was introduced to me in about 1971. Never looked back.

The cost to industry of using duplicate measures must be immense.

Motorsport still uses imperial measurements extensively. I use both measurement systems every day, it's very easy, quite often imperial works much better in certain applications. I'd rather say 1 thou clearance than 0.0254mm.

[Mortarboard]

jsf said:

Motorsport still uses imperial measurements extensively. I use both measurement systems every day, it's very easy, quite often imperial works much better in certain applications. I'd rather say 1 thou clearance than 0.0254mm.

Surely you mean one mil?

• runs off cackling*

M.

[anonymous-user]

The US and and UK appear to have adopted a hybrid system, where those of even limited intelligence can relate to both.

That's a good thing - no?

[silentbrown]

digimeistter said:

The US and and UK appear to have adopted a hybrid system, where those of even limited intelligence can relate to both.

That's a good thing - no?

Sadly, no. Mars Climate Orbiter... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter...

UK OS national grid is inherently metric. Over 80 years old

[blueg33]

The day they told me at school that a six pence was worth 2.5p, Until 1971, and that one pound was 20 shillings. One shilling was divided into 12 pennies - I knew decimal based numbers were the way forward

[Ahonen]

jsf said:

Motorsport still uses imperial measurements extensively. I use both measurement systems every day, it's very easy, quite often imperial works much better in certain applications. I'd rather say 1 thou clearance than 0.0254mm.

In fairness you mostly work in historics, from what I recall. In my sphere of modern motorsport imperial is rather less common.

[anonymous-user]

Mortarboard said:

jsf said:

Motorsport still uses imperial measurements extensively. I use both measurement systems every day, it's very easy, quite often imperial works much better in certain applications. I'd rather say 1 thou clearance than 0.0254mm.

Surely you mean one mil?

• runs off cackling*

M.

Nope.

[anonymous-user]

Ahonen said:

In fairness you mostly work in historics, from what I recall. In my sphere of modern motorsport imperial is rather less common.

Even modern motorsport and aircraft use imperial extensively.

[Mortarboard]

jsf said:

Mortarboard said:

jsf said:

Motorsport still uses imperial measurements extensively. I use both measurement systems every day, it's very easy, quite often imperial works much better in certain applications. I'd rather say 1 thou clearance than 0.0254mm.

Surely you mean one mil?

• runs off cackling*

M.

Nope.

It was a joke.
Clearances are measured in thous (distance) using a feeler gage, which itself is measured in mils (thickness)

Tough crowd

M.

[anonymous-user]

Mortarboard said:

jsf said:

Mortarboard said:

jsf said:

Motorsport still uses imperial measurements extensively. I use both measurement systems every day, it's very easy, quite often imperial works much better in certain applications. I'd rather say 1 thou clearance than 0.0254mm.

Surely you mean one mil?

• runs off cackling*

M.

Nope.

It was a joke.
Clearances are measured in thous (distance) using a feeler gage, which itself is measured in mils (thickness)

Tough crowd

M.

No its not.

1 thou is simply 1/1000 of an inch. 0.001"