Tiger Woods seriously injured in car crash
Discussion
moffspeed said:
I didn’t realise that Genesis is Hyundai’s upmarket brand in the USA. I searched for the safety ratings on the car - seemingly it is “too new” to the market to have been tested yet.
Surely all new cars need to be crashed into a wall before certification and release to sale ?
It is on sale in Australia too, and has no crash rating here either.Surely all new cars need to be crashed into a wall before certification and release to sale ?
You don’t need a crash rating to sell a car - those are independent tests. Manufacturers will design to achieve a certain rating e.g. 5 star ENCAP and test to that spec.
Manufacturers prefer to know the results and have the rating before going on sale because cars can be hard to shift without one.
I don’t know where the Genesis is engineered (probably Korea) but assuming they work to US expectations the crash test “result” is likely to be slightly at odds with European expectations. It will be interesting to see how the Genesis fairs in Australian ANCAP testing as it mirrors ENCAP.
For example the US don’t worry about the cabin floor opening up provided your feet can’t fall out, whereas that is a big no no for ENCAP.
I suspect Tiger’s crash simply generated an impact over and above anything that is tested for, so injuries are to be expected.
I think we need a discussion on Genesis. Every recent review (Doug etc.) shows these to be really decent cars. That GV80 could tempt me out of my FFRR if it was sold over here...
Back on topic, genius golfer but he has problems - though I'm not surprised given he was world famous from such a young age. I hope he makes as full a recovery as he can.
Back on topic, genius golfer but he has problems - though I'm not surprised given he was world famous from such a young age. I hope he makes as full a recovery as he can.
Jader1973 said:
It is on sale in Australia too, and has no crash rating here either.
You don’t need a crash rating to sell a car - those are independent tests. Manufacturers will design to achieve a certain rating e.g. 5 star ENCAP and test to that spec.
Manufacturers prefer to know the results and have the rating before going on sale because cars can be hard to shift without one.
I don’t know where the Genesis is engineered (probably Korea) but assuming they work to US expectations the crash test “result” is likely to be slightly at odds with European expectations. It will be interesting to see how the Genesis fairs in Australian ANCAP testing as it mirrors ENCAP.
For example the US don’t worry about the cabin floor opening up provided your feet can’t fall out, whereas that is a big no no for ENCAP.
I suspect Tiger’s crash simply generated an impact over and above anything that is tested for, so injuries are to be expected.
Great informative post, thanks.You don’t need a crash rating to sell a car - those are independent tests. Manufacturers will design to achieve a certain rating e.g. 5 star ENCAP and test to that spec.
Manufacturers prefer to know the results and have the rating before going on sale because cars can be hard to shift without one.
I don’t know where the Genesis is engineered (probably Korea) but assuming they work to US expectations the crash test “result” is likely to be slightly at odds with European expectations. It will be interesting to see how the Genesis fairs in Australian ANCAP testing as it mirrors ENCAP.
For example the US don’t worry about the cabin floor opening up provided your feet can’t fall out, whereas that is a big no no for ENCAP.
I suspect Tiger’s crash simply generated an impact over and above anything that is tested for, so injuries are to be expected.
As above, can't help feeling this is Hyundai/Genesis' "737 Max" moment...
Incidentally sale prices for the Genesis range from approx. £34K to £42K in the States, so not aimed at the top end of the market...
Edited by moffspeed on Wednesday 24th February 10:23
01WE01 said:
I think we need a discussion on Genesis. Every recent review (Doug etc.) shows these to be really decent cars. That GV80 could tempt me out of my FFRR if it was sold over here...
I assumed it would be absolutely massive, but it seems it's often compared to RRS and is about the same size.Apparently it came off the road on a sloping curve.
I did see one comment that it's set up more for 'plushness' then driving ability - my experience of driving US SUVs is that you really need to take notice of speed limits on curves and off-ramps etc. It's not like here where you can ignore them - if it says 45MPH there it really means it!
Still 3 majors short of Jack Nicklaus's record. Can't see that being beaten now. The oldest major winner in the modern era was Nicklaus at 46 and that was 35 years ago. Tom Watson came close at the age of 59.
https://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.ATR84.html -- I think we can agree that "Old Tom" Morris wouldn't get a look in these days
https://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.ATR84.html -- I think we can agree that "Old Tom" Morris wouldn't get a look in these days
F20CN16 said:
p4cks said:
Three pages on one of the most famous sportsmen alive having a car accident and two thirds are arguments between pedantic nerds about what car it was.
When it’s written on the door of the car it shouldn’t have been an argument. Yet someone kept going.Anyway, hope he pulls through considering all he does for the game, and the sizes of crowds he draws. Ben Hogan came back from an even nastier car wreck, and Tiger has won the US Open on a broken leg before so he has form - hope this isn't one injury too many for him though.
Edited by bodhi on Wednesday 24th February 11:15
Sobering reminder for people that drive these large SUV's that you are not totally safe in a crash. I would guess his long legs didn't help and got tangled up somehow.
At least he is reasonable young enough to heal well and his other injuries will benefit as well.
Probably messing with some sort of self drive function. They should be banned.
At least he is reasonable young enough to heal well and his other injuries will benefit as well.
Probably messing with some sort of self drive function. They should be banned.
If he was perfectly wide awake and not suffering from any distractions then how come he managed to travel 300m?
Surely the first thing you'd do would be to stand on the brakes?
Also are the injuries commensurate with actually having your foot on the brake and hitting something solid, I think I've read before that broken ankles are quite a common injury in read end shunts.
Still, I wish him the best but as a golfer myself I think it's unlikely he'll get back to the top level after this.
Surely the first thing you'd do would be to stand on the brakes?
Also are the injuries commensurate with actually having your foot on the brake and hitting something solid, I think I've read before that broken ankles are quite a common injury in read end shunts.
Still, I wish him the best but as a golfer myself I think it's unlikely he'll get back to the top level after this.
01WE01 said:
I think we need a discussion on Genesis. Every recent review (Doug etc.) shows these to be really decent cars. That GV80 could tempt me out of my FFRR if it was sold over here...
They get good reviews in Aus.They start at about 40k GBP here and go to about 60k GBP. I saw one in the flesh a few weeks ago and it looked really good.
When they initially launched in Aus it was with the Hyundai Genesis saloon which became the weapon of choice for luxury airport taxis (it used to be the Holden Caprice but they stopped making them). Since then they changed the name to Genesis to create a sub-brand like Lexus.
My understanding is they are coming to Europe at some point, and given they already sell in Aus RHD is available.
5 In a Row said:
If he was perfectly wide awake and not suffering from any distractions then how come he managed to travel 300m?
Surely the first thing you'd do would be to stand on the brakes?
The report linked to on the first page says 700ft (you'd expect ft from the US, they don't do metres and for road markings tend to use ft - freeway exit countdown markers in ft take a bit of getting used to!).Surely the first thing you'd do would be to stand on the brakes?
Anyway, don't know what that distance relates to - the aerial pictures show it not far off the road.
The airbag ECU interogation results should show the car's speed - although if it really did travel a long distance the recording loop might not be long enough!
Dromedary66 said:
Well, this is the worst marketing Genesis could ever have had for their car, that it has left him with a smashed up leg whilst wearing a seatbelt and the car doesn't look THAT badly deformed.
Plenty people have walked away from far worse crashes.
Quite a lot of tree in the engine bay. Plenty people have walked away from far worse crashes.
I can't understand why so many people are trying to appropriate blame to the car, its design or its safety standards.
It's as if people are assuming a 2021 Korean built semi luxury car is going to be a wild death trap because they haven't heard of the brand or model - funny given a car forum.
Whilst mechanical issues could be a factor, sadly, Tiger Woods allegedly has previous for making a mess of large SUVs and driving whilst he possibly shouldn't have been. Occums razor and all that.
Hopefully, for him, it isn't a serious medical condition or negative outcome.
It's as if people are assuming a 2021 Korean built semi luxury car is going to be a wild death trap because they haven't heard of the brand or model - funny given a car forum.
Whilst mechanical issues could be a factor, sadly, Tiger Woods allegedly has previous for making a mess of large SUVs and driving whilst he possibly shouldn't have been. Occums razor and all that.
Hopefully, for him, it isn't a serious medical condition or negative outcome.
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