Vaccine/Health Passports
Discussion
Electro1980 said:
No, the government are approving their exclusion and businesses implementing it. To exclude people from society in this way is unconscionable. This is hugely over reaching and utterly pointless. I don’t even see what the value is.
Nothing as yet has been approved unless you know different.Please post the link if you have one.
CrutyRammers said:
Authoritarians make me sad. This strange willingness to accept restrictions on themselves, so they can see other people get punished. It's very odd.
Total happiness is just a few more rules away.
Happiness is when results exceed expectations, simple. Total happiness is just a few more rules away.
I do not see a vaccine passport as a restriction.
Where is the punishment?
Iminquarantine said:
scottyp123 said:
Would you approve of me opening a shop and saying no muslims allowed?
Can’t do that. Religion is a protected characteristic. Being an anti vaxxer fruitcake is not a protected characteristic.Jasandjules said:
Sophisticated Sarah said:
YouGov poll just gone up asking about health passports.
66% currently in favour.
Scary that 2/3rds of the population consider papier bitte to be even remotely acceptable. The indoctrination of the stupid has been a success. 66% currently in favour.
It is a matter of perspective.
Nickgnome said:
Electro1980 said:
No, the government are approving their exclusion and businesses implementing it. To exclude people from society in this way is unconscionable. This is hugely over reaching and utterly pointless. I don’t even see what the value is.
Nothing as yet has been approved unless you know different.Please post the link if you have one.
Iminquarantine said:
scottyp123 said:
Would you approve of me opening a shop and saying no muslims allowed?
Can’t do that. Religion is a protected characteristic. Being an anti vaxxer fruitcake is not a protected characteristic.Electro1980 said:
Nickgnome said:
Electro1980 said:
No, the government are approving their exclusion and businesses implementing it. To exclude people from society in this way is unconscionable. This is hugely over reaching and utterly pointless. I don’t even see what the value is.
Nothing as yet has been approved unless you know different.Please post the link if you have one.
If you choose not too I will not waste my time trying to interpret what you are trying to say.
Electro1980 said:
I think anti-vaxers are stupid, everyone who can should have the vaccine and anyone not is being incredibly selfish and I haven’t heard a single sensible argument not to have it, as you will see from my discussions on other threads...
BBBUUUUTTTT
I think vaccine “passports” and proof of vaccine status to do quite normal and basic things, against what will become a recurring, endemic illness, is a huge over reach, a massive abuse and a direct attack on basic human rights and liberties.
Agree BBBUUUUTTTT
I think vaccine “passports” and proof of vaccine status to do quite normal and basic things, against what will become a recurring, endemic illness, is a huge over reach, a massive abuse and a direct attack on basic human rights and liberties.
Electro1980 said:
I think you need to look again at the law. Religion or belief is a protected characteristic. Many of the arguments against vaccination could be considered a moral belief.
Different meaning of belief. Or else how would this square with the several (Some arguably more liberal leaning than the UK) EU countries that already have compulsory vaccination, (Not just to access services etc) alongside freedom of religion and belief? The UK government were consulting on mandatory vaccines in late 2019, before any of this kicked off. I am not in favour of the UK government making Covid vaccines compulsory, unless they can show a need. However I am not sure why the individual freedom to not have a vaccine is any greater than the individual freedom of a business to chose not to deal with people, who won't show they have been vaccinated, in an attempt to reduce the risks to it's employees and other customers.
Further, if they say we can open up some sectors earlier, if they start with the vaccinated, then I am having a hard time seeing the downside; the unvaccinated will be no worse off, than they would have been had the govt waited until the combined risk was acceptable.
Earthdweller said:
Electro1980 said:
I think anti-vaxers are stupid, everyone who can should have the vaccine and anyone not is being incredibly selfish and I haven’t heard a single sensible argument not to have it, as you will see from my discussions on other threads...
BBBUUUUTTTT
I think vaccine “passports” and proof of vaccine status to do quite normal and basic things, against what will become a recurring, endemic illness, is a huge over reach, a massive abuse and a direct attack on basic human rights and liberties.
Agree BBBUUUUTTTT
I think vaccine “passports” and proof of vaccine status to do quite normal and basic things, against what will become a recurring, endemic illness, is a huge over reach, a massive abuse and a direct attack on basic human rights and liberties.
I have total faith there is enormous pressure on the government to approve and certify their roll out.
It disgusts me.
Well, the last eleven pages or so has been a mixed bag. But no-one seems able to say why a domestic vaccine passport is necessary (travel is different since we have no say over what other nations do). If, as seems likely, the large majority of UK citizens have been vaccinated, they are protected and need have no concerns. Let's face it, the healthy under 60's have very little to worry about even without a vaccine in any event.
What actual benefit would a domestic vaccine passport have?
What actual benefit would a domestic vaccine passport have?
Biggy Stardust said:
Sophisticated Sarah said:
YouGov poll just gone up asking about health passports.
66% currently in favour.
1 Polls don't have a good record as far as accuracy is concerned.66% currently in favour.
2 Nobody has ever asked me or anyone I know for these polls- I suspect tey pick their audience according to what result they'd like
3 I remember the "Yes, Prime Minister" episode where Sir Humphrey explained how polls can easily be influenced (ie manipulated).
2) They show the breakdown and demographic of who they ask and how for each poll. If you haven't won the lottery then does that prove no one wins the lottery? https://yougov.co.uk/about/panel-methodology/
3) The questions and the sequence of questions they ask are published for each survey. Yougov are also showing support for Scottish independence and disapproval for the government handling of the pandemic, so hardly some made up stats to make Boris happy. If they were doing this, then the people who work there would have enormous power over their bosses by threatening to blow the whistle. In fact surely by now some of them would have?
It's not just Yougov, Ipsos Mori etc. throughout have conducted similar polls with similar results.
Brave Fart said:
Well, the last eleven pages or so has been a mixed bag. But no-one seems able to say why a domestic vaccine passport is necessary (travel is different since we have no say over what other nations do). If, as seems likely, the large majority of UK citizens have been vaccinated, they are protected and need have no concerns. Let's face it, the healthy under 60's have very little to worry about even without a vaccine in any event.
What actual benefit would a domestic vaccine passport have?
Virtue signalling What actual benefit would a domestic vaccine passport have?
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