Vaccine/Health Passports

[CrutyRammers]

rscott said:

I guess you missed these two statements on the page you linked to
" It is important to note that Yellow Card data cannot be used to derive side effect rates or compare the safety profile of COVID-19 vaccinations as many factors can influence ADR reporting."
and
"The MHRA has received 406 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 863 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 4 for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 22 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified. The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness. Usage of the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca has increased rapidly and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccine played a role in the death."

As for the reported side effects, 267,671 yellow card reports, so many of those will be multiple side effects from the same jab. That's against a total of 66m injections .

The vast majority of those side-effects are the expected ones - pain/rash at the injection site, headache, fatigue, chills, fever. These all pass within a few days and are usually an indicator that the body is reacting as expected to the vaccine.

I take a couple of medications which have been approved for 30+ years and have higher rates of side effects than these, but they don't attract the same level of headlines.

Are you forced to have them, or are you given the choice, along with an explanation of the risks, which are well known, and allowed to make your own decision?

[Durzel]

Boringvolvodriver said:

vixen1700 said:

Forced vaccines?

Untested medium and long term effects, they're still collating the information on the short term effects with over 922,000 reported side-effects and nearly 1300 reported deaths according to government figures: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronav...

How many hospitalisations and how many deaths due to Covid19?

Surely more and more people have think 'this doesn't quite add up'

It's insane.

It is indeed insane - although many people seem to be going along with it all and think that those who oppose it are the insane ones!


The government strategy is working on the hard of thinking

Keep telling yourself that the minority perpetually oppressed in their own minds are the ones in the right, and everyone else is a bootlicker, just like the 5G nutters.

If all you consume is the same echo chamber of confirmation bias tinfoil hattery - it's no wonder you end up with a myopic "1984" view. It's been the thin end of the wedge, slippery slope for the past 10 years at least.

[Griffith4ever]

cb31 said:

I'm double jabbed so not an anti-vaxxer.

Imagine you were under 40 so the jab offered you no benefit personally but actually did come with some small risk which I think everyone agrees with. You work for minimum wage in a care home and don't want the jab. When they come to force you to have it are you going to say ok then, or leave and get a nice cushy minimum wage job elsewhere?

It doesn't need a psychic to see a care home staff shortage in the next few months. Forced medical procedures with unproven long-term vaccines, what is this country coming to?

... there already is a care home staffing shortage issue - they've been suffering for years. My Mrs used to work in care, as a carer, and as a middle manager.

The job is st, literally - she has been crapped in her hands more than once. The pay is bare minimum. There is no loyalty. Employing anyone is a nightmare, and then you have to tollertate appaling staff behaviour as you can't sack them as you can't replace them (ever wondered why so many abuse cases surface every so often?) .It's an aweful job. She pulled out a handful of years ago.

[130R]

Boringvolvodriver said:

98elise said:

The point is it was already in place. It's your NHS record, not something new for Covid, and Covid hasn't changed anything.

I have hypertension and am on medication for it. It's right there in the NHS app along side my Covid vaccination, and any other treatments I've had.

The Government don't need to go through Google or Apple. You can be tracked through your phone provider, a service that's licenced by the government.

Edited by 98elise on Thursday 3rd June 19:21

But you don’t have to show those records to anyone or to do anything yet do you? Which may or may not come to pass with some form of digital ID. That is mine and many others issue.

And as for Google and Apple - AFAIK the government has no access to that information at the moment and the police have to jump through hoops to get to it.

There is actually an extremely secure approach for providing these kind of verifiable credentials that doesn't leak your private information all over the place - it's called self sovereign identity. It's early days yet but that could be how this is handled in future.

[scottyp123]

Boringvolvodriver said:

vixen1700 said:

Forced vaccines?

Untested medium and long term effects, they're still collating the information on the short term effects with over 922,000 reported side-effects and nearly 1300 reported deaths according to government figures: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronav...

How many hospitalisations and how many deaths due to Covid19?

Surely more and more people have think 'this doesn't quite add up'

It's insane.

It is indeed insane - although many people seem to be going along with it all and think that those who oppose it are the insane ones!


The government strategy is working on the hard of thinking

To be mad in a deranged world is not madness, its sanity. - Leslie TEOTFW

[Tlandcruiser]

I had covid a few months back so I don’t see the point in having the vaccine, unless there’s something I’m quite understanding about the difference?

[Nickgnome]

Tlandcruiser said:

I had covid a few months back so I don’t see the point in having the vaccine, unless there’s something I’m quite understanding about the difference?

Why not ask your doctor.

I though there was a difference in the immunisation effectiveness of having had Covid versus two vaccine doses.

Apparently it is possible to have Covid more than once.

I'm pretty sure that when I arrived in Tallinn a few weeks ago either both vaccines or having had Covid within the last few months was sufficient for unfettered release. I'd had both jabs.

[Jasandjules]

Tlandcruiser said:

I had covid a few months back so I don’t see the point in having the vaccine, unless there’s something I’m quite understanding about the difference?

Yes, the money involved....

[V88Dicky]

Nickgnome said:

Why not ask your doctor.

I though there was a difference in the immunisation effectiveness of having had Covid versus two vaccine doses.

Apparently it is possible to have Covid more than once.

I'm pretty sure that when I arrived in Tallinn a few weeks ago either both vaccines or having had Covid within the last few months was sufficient for unfettered release. I'd had both jabs.

Just like it’s possible to contract COVID 19 after being vaccinated, like the 19 out of 42 deaths from the Indian Delta variant so far?

[Nickgnome]

V88Dicky said:

Nickgnome said:

Why not ask your doctor.

I though there was a difference in the immunisation effectiveness of having had Covid versus two vaccine doses.

Apparently it is possible to have Covid more than once.

I'm pretty sure that when I arrived in Tallinn a few weeks ago either both vaccines or having had Covid within the last few months was sufficient for unfettered release. I'd had both jabs.

Just like it’s possible to contract COVID 19 after being vaccinated, like the 19 out of 42 deaths from the Indian Delta variant so far?

Yes of course it is The vaccine does not give 100% immunity and some will be more susceptible to infection anyway.

I'm still glad I've had both jabs just as a risk reduction strategy and relief from certain restrictions after travel.