"Try to be less white" - what?!?
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Red 4 said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Can't wait for the wokeness and virtue signalling age to be brown bread.
What's wrong with white bread ? Or "best of both" ?From this point onwards any references to bread must be made in a nondiscriminatory way, in the interests of inclusion and diversity.
Unless you think white bread is oppressive, obviously.
dudleybloke said:
Red 4 said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Can't wait for the wokeness and virtue signalling age to be brown bread.
What's wrong with white bread ? Or "best of both" ?From this point onwards any references to bread must be made in a nondiscriminatory way, in the interests of inclusion and diversity.
Unless you think white bread is oppressive, obviously.
Sheets Tabuer said:
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
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That would be like the person our company got in to teach us how to deal with stress who was as stressed as Basil Fawlty for the whole hour.It reminds me a bit of an episode of the IT crowd - "Anyone still stressed at the end of the day WILL BE FIRED!!!"
https://youtu.be/MZTvMYQSl_w
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
To be fair to Cola...they probably got a third party in to reprogram their employees and didn't bother reviewing their nonsense. We had a similar thing a couple of years ago, when a complete numpty was teaching us how to be nicer to everyone. It was like being at primary school. An amusing waste of company time and money though.
Its a tick box exercise for most large corporates. Somewhat ironically, as a result, ruthless executive capitalists then sit through half an hour of cultural Marxism before returning to their day to day job of doing whatever it takes to earn a buck.I imagine anyone with any sense raises one eyebrow at the content and then keeps their head down for the duration. I don't imagine it converts any hearts and minds. You are either signed up to the agenda of worth, and victimhood, being determined by the characteristics you were born with or you are not.
Edited by JagLover on Wednesday 24th February 14:16
sgtBerbatov said:
Kessler said:
sgtBerbatov said:
Kessler said:
sgtBerbatov said:
Do you see the irony of what you've written with what's on the slide?
That it's racist? No, I don't consider that ironicEdited by Kessler on Wednesday 24th February 12:27
You have demonstrated arrogance, irgnorance, certainty, defensiveness, nearly the whole list of things you've got a problem with because you think it's wrong.
What has gone wrong in your life for you to be offended by that list?
Kessler said:
2xChevrons said:
Kessler said:
sgtBerbatov said:
Kessler said:
sgtBerbatov said:
Do you see the irony of what you've written with what's on the slide?
That it's racist? No, I don't consider that ironicLeaving aside the (probably deliberately) provocative context to the slide, you reacted to a slide suggesting that white people can be overly defensive, certain, arrogant, apathetic and unwilling to listen to or consider structural racial issues in society...in a way that hit all those points.
One slide from a presentation, out of context, tells us very little. It was probably intended for a certain amount of shock value to make the audience confront their subconscious biases - I've seen similar slides tackling different issues the same way. Or it's just a bad, overly-ambitious and self-flagellating attempt to make a point that is worth approaching.
As I said in the thread about unconscious bias, a big problem is that when there's a push to introduce this sort of training to organisations (or, worse, be seen to introduce it) it leads to a lot of low-quality information which does the actual matter that should be at hand a huge disservice.
Edited by Kessler on Wednesday 24th February 12:55
sgtBerbatov said:
Kessler said:
sgtBerbatov said:
Do you see the irony of what you've written with what's on the slide?
That it's racist? No, I don't consider that ironicI’m not being sarky either.
Robin d’Angelo has made a pretty penny from peddling hate and spewing racist vitriol. Any time she says the word “white” change that to black / brown / red / yellow and it should be obvious what I mean.
Four Litre said:
Kesser 100% correct here. The second you start placing traits on skin colour its racist. No coming back from that. If that's your belief thats fair enough, just have to accept that your a racist. I think its a real shame when people see skin tone as opposed to the person.
Nope, I never said those traits were intrinsic to white-skinned people. I specifically said that the way the slide suggested hat was the problem with it. If that wasn't clear, then I'll say it again here and now - that slide is a Very Bad Bit of Work because it implies that these things are intrinsic to all white people. But what I believe it was trying to do was challenging white people to consider their own responses to issues of race in society, which is a deep-rooted social and cultural thing. Such as the common "it's not a real problem anymore" or "people just complain because they like to play the victim" or "I'm not racist, so I'm not part of the problem" or "This is all a load of nonsense, it seems everything is racist these days" or "I'll tell you what, the real racists are the people pushing this onto white people."
All common responses to racial issues being raised, as seen on this thread, in NP&E and in society in general. It is often reflexive because it makes people feel some mix of anger, discomfort, threat, fatigue, annoyance and so on. Confronting bias is difficult and uncomfortable. All the more so when they're around such charged and unjust matters as race.
Like most bias education, the people who will loudly declare it pointless or counter-productive are the ones who need it most.
2xChevrons said:
But what I believe it was trying to do was challenging white people to consider their own responses to issues of race in society, which is a deep-rooted social and cultural thing. Such as the common "it's not a real problem anymore" or "people just complain because they like to play the victim" or "I'm not racist, so I'm not part of the problem" or "This is all a load of nonsense, it seems everything is racist these days" or "I'll tell you what, the real racists are the people pushing this onto white people."
As usual your posts are well-written and reasonable, but I still disagree. My objection come down to this fundamental point: it is trying to combat racism by treating races differently. Which is itself racism.
If it was "challenging everyone to consider their own responses to issues of race in society" I would still think it was a bit of a box-ticking corporate responsibility jamboree but it wouldn't offend me.
Wishing to treat everyone the same - apparently - marks me out as the problem. I've given up trying to rationalise that one.
2xChevrons said:
Like most bias education, the people who will loudly declare it pointless or counter-productive are the ones who need it most.
Do you see any problems with your last sentence?Swallow this pill without complaint or debate or you’ve instantly proven that you are the problem.
Are you comfortable with that? Doesn’t that seem a little sinister to you?
Johnnytheboy said:
Wishing to treat everyone the same - apparently - marks me out as the problem. I've given up trying to rationalise that one.
That's an easy one. It's because people are not all the same.However, the problem with this fruitloop Coca Cola advisor is that she is saying that the negative traits listed are white traits and are abundant amongst the white population.
That strikes me as racist. See above.
2xChevrons said:
But what I believe it was trying to do was challenging white people
I believe it was judging people by their skin colour, as you seem to be doing in your statements- pretty much the definition of racism.2xChevrons said:
Like most bias education, the people who will loudly declare it pointless or counter-productive are the ones who need it most.
If you believe that overt racism is the solution for covert/unconscious racism then we will have to disagree.
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