JLR bans boys in favour of girls and “non-binaries”

[vonuber]

DeejRC said:

Oh, I do. That’s why I don’t take their contracts. And more importantly why JLR struggle to attract the talent. £35/hr buys you monkeys. JLR are the engineering industry poster child for lousy rates.

You've obviously never worked in civil engineering.

[Randy Winkman]

Borghetto said:

Randy Winkman said:

When I was at my end of junior school holiday in Norfolk in 1976 (aged 10) we had an opportunity to visit a US air base. But they could only accomodate half of the children. So the rule was that the boys could go, but girls could go if individual boys opted out and offered up their place. I was the one boy out of about 60 who gave up his place to a girl who was really keen on aircraft. How times have changed? Sometimes things go a bit wrong but I think that they have mostly changed for the better in this sort of respect.

Edited by Randy Winkman on Wednesday 3rd March 13:08

So you began virtue signalling at the age of 10 - well done you plonker

No. It was a nice day and I've always been the independent type and wanted to go for the country/nature walk with the girls.

[GliderRider]

Male midwives

[gizlaroc]

GliderRider said:

Male midwives

Hmm, a bit silly.

Just asked my wife about this as a friend at our local hospital has had a male midwife train with them, and she said that none of her friends or friends friends said they would want a male midwife, but would also feel guilty saying so in this day and age, which puts women in a real dilemma.

[GliderRider]

gizlaroc said:

GliderRider said:

Male midwives

Hmm, a bit silly.

Just asked my wife about this as a friend at our local hospital has had a male midwife train with them, and she said that none of her friends or friends friends said they would want a male midwife, but would also feel guilty saying so in this day and age, which puts women in a real dilemma.

Is it silly, or just not the norm? Male gynecologists are nothing new. The sentiment is much the same as comments from the armed forces about serving in the field with LGBT & women before that was normalized. The sort of man who chooses to be a midwife and completes all the training is not going to be Mr Average, in the same way that a woman who applies for and gets into, say, the special forces, is not your average woman. Equality is about accepting that people are all different, yet unless physically or mentally incapable of doing a task, they should all have the same opportunities.

[JagLover]

otolith said:

Or as doctors. You've met a male doctor before, no? Or nurses. Or as primary school teachers - very valuable, especially for teaching boys. Or lawyers. Or - actually - pretty much anything you need a degree for other than engineering or computer science .

Which assumes they get to that stage.

As another poster pointed out the biggest issue at present is educational underachievement by boys. Boys who might well become more motivated to learn if they were given a chance of a work placement somewhere that interests them and where they can then hopefully see the value of the education they previously disliked.

[mrporsche]

otolith said:

mrporsche said:

What will happen to the fields that these women may have chosen instead ? I assume there will either be shortages or in a few years there will be a drive to reverse the decline of women in industry A ?

Maybe they will recruit more men?

Men from which sectors / industry ?

[otolith]

mrporsche said:

otolith said:

mrporsche said:

What will happen to the fields that these women may have chosen instead ? I assume there will either be shortages or in a few years there will be a drive to reverse the decline of women in industry A ?

Maybe they will recruit more men?

Men from which sectors / industry ?

Men who otherwise would have gone into the area they are trying to get a better balance in? Men who are being encouraged to pursue higher education?

It's not zero sum.

[deckster]

gizlaroc said:

GliderRider said:

Male midwives

Hmm, a bit silly.

Just asked my wife about this as a friend at our local hospital has had a male midwife train with them, and she said that none of her friends or friends friends said they would want a male midwife, but would also feel guilty saying so in this day and age, which puts women in a real dilemma.

We had a male midwife deliver our second child. After our initial shock of "oh, we thought you were the porter" he was, as you would expect, entirely professional and as ever, as events proceeded there were much bigger things to worry about.

I won't however deny that it was a bit odd watching another man put his fingers up my wife's fanny. I guess I have some way to go with this whole equality thing.

[Randy Winkman]

GliderRider said:

gizlaroc said:

GliderRider said:

Male midwives

Hmm, a bit silly.

Just asked my wife about this as a friend at our local hospital has had a male midwife train with them, and she said that none of her friends or friends friends said they would want a male midwife, but would also feel guilty saying so in this day and age, which puts women in a real dilemma.

Is it silly, or just not the norm? Male gynecologists are nothing new. The sentiment is much the same as comments from the armed forces about serving in the field with LGBT & women before that was normalized. The sort of man who chooses to be a midwife and completes all the training is not going to be Mr Average, in the same way that a woman who applies for and gets into, say, the special forces, is not your average woman. Equality is about accepting that people are all different, yet unless physically or mentally incapable of doing a task, they should all have the same opportunities.

I think it's simply convention. Once conventions change we see they were just conventions.