Dr Seuss books cancelled

[Kessler]

gregs656 said:

Kessler said:

Difference is that in the 1940's there wasn't a war on "toxic masculinity".
Masculinity is on par with racism at the moment, because it's considered at odds with gender equality. And women are considered victims of oppression like people of colour. They way it's heading, I'm sure we will see a more concerted effort to remove the elements that make boys grow up with a clear male identity, in order to align with the equality and stamp out misogyny... ie gender neutralising toys, forcing LGBTQIA into early years school curriculum and promoting parenting which adopts a more gender fluid approach to childcare - its what will be expected in schools and from society in the name of tolerance and political correctness. Speaking out against will be labelled "hate speech" - always an effective way to prevent debate.

Blurring or removing the male/femal identifiers while normalising transgenderism and forcing kids to think about their sexuality from a very early age is, in my opinion, ultimately what leads to these alarming statistics:
https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans...
"even talking about detransition is viewed by some as transphobic"

Biden's pick for a completely unbiased health secretary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OecPhwPto40
Combined with the recently passed "Equality Act", it's going to be easier for a child to make these life-changing decisions. Curious to see how this will affect the detransition statistics.

You are conflating a whole ton of issues here in a way which doesn't really work.

I don't think there is a war on masculinity, although I do think there are efforts to try and improve the serious issue of young male suicide and how men access health care generally.

Your sexuality is not (can not) be forced on you. Teaching children that LGBT people exist, get married, and have or adopt children is not a bad thing. It is pretty sad that you seem to think this is an attack on masculinity. Gay teens should not be committing suicide because they think they are abnormal or unwelcome.

I did not suggest teaching about LGTB (I specifically mention L.G.B.T.Q.I.A) is a bad thing, depending from which age it's being included, or that gay teens should not be welcomed. You are the one making the conflation, but I understand drawing the "homophobia" card can work wonders during debates.
Rather, the combination of trying to normalize the idea of "infinite genders" and transgenderism and including this in a curriculum for 5-year olds, it poses a risk in an environment where identifiers for what we consider male and female characteristics and behaviour is increasingly blurred. Again, I am talking about the direction it's going and again, I'm referring to this specific issue and what causes it: https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans...

Perhaps let's pull out this thread in 5 years time and see where we stand on this.

Edited by Kessler on Tuesday 2nd March 19:46

[Ian Geary]

So we've gone from being about a publisher no longer printing 6 books that contain out of date stereotypes, to this being a war against masculinity.


Riiight


Telling kids some confusion about their gender is ok is not at all saying that being a male is wrong.

Making sure future decisions are made being mindful of privilege and bias doesn't mean every white middle aged male is being accused of being a racist.

The opening post gathered together a piss poor collection of events, and tried to stitch them together like a Donald trump election briefing.

These are in my opinion fake arguments themselves, that are trying to block the fact people don't like privilege being questioned or challenged.

If people get frothy about it, I think they need to reflect on the cause of that froth.

[biggbn]

captain_cynic said:

Noodle1982 said:

The Mr potato head is a confusing one.

A trans person still uses Mr or Mrs.

Not really.

It's a marketing ploy and a money saving tactic rolled into one.

Getting the anit-woke crowd rolled into a lather gets you advertising you literally can't buy. Your product is now being mentioned on tv channels you literally can't buy air time on and for free no less.

You're also cutting down the different products you're making, reducing two lines (Mr and Mrs potato head) into just one. One set of packaging, one logistics chain, one production line. You get the idea.

However such logical thinking doesn't get the perpetually angry into a beet-faced full on impotent rage.

Kessler said:

Seems like 4 years of Trump drove people completely batst crazy.

Edited by Kessler on Tuesday 2nd March 16:16

To which you seem to be the prime example of.

Working yourself up into a massive impotent tanty over things that don't matter because you're triggered by... What? People not being aholes, the world moving on.

Try not to pop a vein in your head over the world leaving you behind sweetie.

But none of that is actually happening as another poster has pointed out....

[captain_cynic]

biggbn said:

But none of that is actually happening as another poster has pointed out....

What actually didn't happen?

The stuff the OP was getting rhemelces so worked up about it the OP catrying on like a pork chop at a Jewish BBQ?

Because the latter one definately happened.

BTW...

Have you not read the news lately... Dr Seuss' books have has a huge surge in sales lately... Thanks to the kind of markwttign you cannot buy.

[chrispmartha]

People getting all worked up about a toy company rebranding a toy potato is one of the funniest things to happen so far this year.

Made even funnier as those getting all frothy don’t even seem to have read any detail on it.

[Welshbeef]

I’m not one for making people feel uncomfortable and sad. We’re all different. I must admit I struggle with some of these latest new things but hey I’m not going to complain.

[chrispmartha]

Welshbeef said:

I’m not one for making people feel uncomfortable and sad. We’re all different. I must admit I struggle with some of these latest new things but hey I’m not going to complain.

I think its natural for some to feel uncomfortable with change, especially with things like the transgender issues, but things do change and as a society we should try to be more understanding sympathetic. Issues surrounding gender have always been there its just only now thst its starting to become acceptable and people are quite rightly not being ostracised for how they feel and want to live thrir lives, surely that’s a better way than making people feel abnormal?

Getting worked up about a toy potato however...

[Welshbeef]

chrispmartha said:

I think its natural for some to feel uncomfortable with change, especially with things like the transgender issues, but things do change and as a society we should try to be more understanding sympathetic. Issues surrounding gender have always been there its just only now thst its starting to become acceptable and people are quite rightly not being ostracised for how they feel and want to live thrir lives, surely that’s a better way than making people feel abnormal?

Getting worked up about a toy potato however...

I’m still hacked off that Marathon got changed to snickers.

[Electro1980]

Welshbeef said:

chrispmartha said:

I think its natural for some to feel uncomfortable with change, especially with things like the transgender issues, but things do change and as a society we should try to be more understanding sympathetic. Issues surrounding gender have always been there its just only now thst its starting to become acceptable and people are quite rightly not being ostracised for how they feel and want to live thrir lives, surely that’s a better way than making people feel abnormal?

Getting worked up about a toy potato however...

I’m still hacked off that Marathon got changed to snickers.

Nothing wrong with that. Foul either way. Peanuts in chocolate? fk off.

Starburst however. What’s wrong with Opal Fruit? They were Opal fruits first FFS! fking yanks and their marketing teams. And whilst we are at it, cheese and onion is blue.

[chrispmartha]

Electro1980 said:

cheese and onion is blue.

Yellow where I'm from.

[Pothole]

tribalsurfer said:

Green Eggs Matter

As does ham, but not gammon, fo' sho'!

[Welshbeef]

Electro1980 said:

Nothing wrong with that. Foul either way. Peanuts in chocolate? fk off.

Starburst however. What’s wrong with Opal Fruit? They were Opal fruits first FFS! fking yanks and their marketing teams. And whilst we are at it, cheese and onion is blue.

US not recognising Easter BH meaning we have to work good Friday and Easter Monday - now that pisses me off Royally.

[turbobloke]

Kessler said:

fking hell, the woke mob is on fire these days!

So within the last few weeks:

- Mr & Mrs Potato head had to be made gender neutral as mr & mrs is now offensive - meanwhile let's teach our kids about transgenderism in the effort to normalise it. https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans...
- Dr. Hibbert from the Simpson can no longer be voiced by the white person who has been doing it for the past 30 years when nobody gave a st or even knew about it.
- Disney+ has added a content warning to old episodes of The Muppet Show for “negative depictions and/or mistreatment of people or cultures”.
- And today it has been announced that 6 Dr. Seuss books will be cancelled for apparently being racist. If you happen to own any of these terrible books, better burn them before your kids turn into white supremacists.

It's been weird watching old Star Trek episodes in lockdown with a 'this programme deals with adult themes" warning.

[JagLover]

Ian Geary said:

So we've gone from being about a publisher no longer printing 6 books that contain out of date stereotypes, to this being a war against masculinity.

Apparently there has been a surge in sales since this was announced as people presumably try and buy the books before they are banned. The offending books are changing hands at a healthy premium second hand.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/mar/04/dr-s...

So the consumers still want to buy the books but are being prevented by the company.

Personally I think that "woke" culture should be a thing you buy into or not. Trying to force it on everyone isn't likely to end well.

[Welshbeef]

JagLover said:

Apparently there has been a surge in sales since this was announced as people presumably try and buy the books before they are banned. The offending books are changing hands at a healthy premium second hand.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/mar/04/dr-s...

So the consumers still want to buy the books but are being prevented by the company.

Personally I think that "woke" culture should be a thing you buy into or not. Trying to force it on everyone isn't likely to end well.

This is no different to opening our eyes for those in different religions culture.

I think there is genuinely an issue with migration and integration. Take primary school there are a group of Russian mums Syrians who simply and always are in a clique together. They have never tried to speak to others outside of this group / and to be blunt the number not in that group who have tried to break the ice over and over it doesn’t work.

Why is the question?
It is for BOTH sides to be inclusive & also the new group should also respect the culture and history and religion of others.
Surely that’s the best outcome.

[Biggy Stardust]

civicuk said:

With that said, I can kind of see the value of having characters of a certain ethnicity being voiced by that ethnicity, it's a sort of organic way of providing equal opportunities.

Surely the whole point of being an actor is to portray someone other than who you are?

[Kawasicki]

thewarlock said:

If it was a white guy in live action, doing an indian accent, would you still support it as satire though?

Indians can be any skin colour.
I once acted as an American, I used my best American accent. Was that offensive?

[thewarlock]

Kawasicki said:

Indians can be any skin colour.
I once acted as an American, I used my best American accent. Was that offensive?

Not in my opinion, no. I posted my thoughts in another post on this thread.

[otolith]

Seuss does seem to have produced some dubious illustrations in his books, and some flat out racist illustrations elsewhere.

[Gecko1978]

AdeTuono said:

thewarlock said:

CourtAgain said:

First Apu, now Dr Hibbert? The Simpsons have always been about satire and gentle teasing. Can we get the episode of The Simpsons visiting London cancelled as it's offensive as how Brits are portrayed?

Dr Hibbert is one of the best characters, there will be nothing of the show left if this stuff continues

If it was a white guy in live action, doing an indian accent, would you still support it as satire though?

I would. But then I don't take offence at every single thing that doesn't live up to the 'right-on' way of thinking.

I think as soon as you say "but if it was..." your looking to find fault. The Simpsons is a cartoon about a town and its people who mostly have bright yellow skin ffs. Bart has been 10 years old for 30 odd years etc. An actor is just that an actor you don't have to be a dr to play a dr or a murderer to play one and you dont have to be indian to voice Apu the totally fictional character. Bart is voiced by a women....how fare she...its just a joke if we keep saying you cant "act" certian roles, its what acting is.

You can take offence at Apu but not because the actor is white but because of the stero type it promotes....but the whole of the Simpsons is based on stero types.