Pontins told to stop screening Irish names
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While I had a bit of a laugh about this teasing some Irish friends with names on the list I did a bit more reading and its worth remembering its a very controlling lifestyle thats forced on to a lot of young people by pretty much a gang leader.
They have a very high suicide rate which is at odds with people that we think have freedom and are carefree.
They have a very high suicide rate which is at odds with people that we think have freedom and are carefree.
Eric Mc said:
But they didn't ban travellers. They banned EVERYBODY with a surname off a list.
That was just idiotic.
In that was the case where is the discrimination that people are screeching about? As the names aren't exclusive to a particular group or ethnicity. That was just idiotic.
Their system was literally a list of names of 'undesirable guests' which makes no mention of travellers or any other group, just a list of names who are barred which *could* lead to a booking being refused.
You can bet that if you looked at a list of people barred by other businesses you'd find a concentration of certain names too, with the makeup depending on the location & type of the business.
pquinn said:
Eric Mc said:
But they didn't ban travellers. They banned EVERYBODY with a surname off a list.
That was just idiotic.
In that was the case where is the discrimination that people are screeching about? As the names aren't exclusive to a particular group or ethnicity. That was just idiotic.
Their system was literally a list of names of 'undesirable guests' which makes no mention of travellers or any other group, just a list of names who are barred which *could* lead to a booking being refused.
You can bet that if you looked at a list of people barred by other businesses you'd find a concentration of certain names too, with the makeup depending on the location & type of the business.
vaud said:
mrporsche said:
May i ask what these good experiences were ?
A group who camp up for about 8 months each year; same families (I think - 3-4 caravans). Keep their plot tidy. Kids go to school and apparently while not model pupils are trying and are no more disruptive than others. When the village was having a spruce up and building planters / planting out flowers they rocked up to help with their landscaping van and tools for a few days for no charge.
However do you know how they behave when not on their plot ?
What is the quality and pricing of their work like ?
Do they strong arm people into paying over the odds?
Do they dispose of the waste correctly ?
Do they pay tax ?
keeping their plot tidy isnt necessarily reflective of how they actually behave in wider society. There are loads of plots near me which are clean and tidy, yet there is a high volume of flying tipping and opportunist theft from gardens. They drive their horses and carts around with no regard for other roads users or any kind of rules. I dont think any of them have read the highway code. They parade around the local shopping centre on a Sunday afternoon, which has caused security guards to be employed.
JagLover said:
Found this comment
"Downing Street condemned the blacklist as “completely unacceptable”, with the Prime Minister’s official spokesman saying: “No-one in the UK should be discriminated against because of their race or ethnicity.
“It’s right that the Equality and Human Rights Commission and Pontins investigate and address this."
How about you do something about a criminal minority trashing the livelihoods of British businesses with virtually total impunity?. No that would be difficult wouldn't it, and someone might say some rude words about you on Twitter.
Rephrased and reposted owing to deletion and knuckle rapping:"Downing Street condemned the blacklist as “completely unacceptable”, with the Prime Minister’s official spokesman saying: “No-one in the UK should be discriminated against because of their race or ethnicity.
“It’s right that the Equality and Human Rights Commission and Pontins investigate and address this."
How about you do something about a criminal minority trashing the livelihoods of British businesses with virtually total impunity?. No that would be difficult wouldn't it, and someone might say some rude words about you on Twitter.
It's not about race or ethnicity; travellers are an outlaw group which enjoys the protection of a perverse law, against those living within the law.
pquinn said:
In that was the case where is the discrimination that people are screeching about? As the names aren't exclusive to a particular group or ethnicity.
Their system was literally a list of names of 'undesirable guests' which makes no mention of travellers or any other group, just a list of names who are barred which *could* lead to a booking being refused.
You can bet that if you looked at a list of people barred by other businesses you'd find a concentration of certain names too, with the makeup depending on the location & type of the business.
The discrimination is against the irish as far as i can see, indirectly of course, as a result of trying to find the best way of keeping the travellers out. Im on the list and i'm about as far removed from a traveller as you can get.Their system was literally a list of names of 'undesirable guests' which makes no mention of travellers or any other group, just a list of names who are barred which *could* lead to a booking being refused.
You can bet that if you looked at a list of people barred by other businesses you'd find a concentration of certain names too, with the makeup depending on the location & type of the business.
A surname is a pretty broad, heavy-handed way of banning people, particularly when they clearly without any doubt target one nation.
This isnt what happens in the modern world. It stinks of the discrimination that was widespread throughout the 80's, and i dont think its that far fetched to make that comparison.
NextSlidePlease said:
The discrimination is against the irish as far as i can see, indirectly of course, as a result of trying to find the best way of keeping the travellers out. Im on the list and i'm about as far removed from a traveller as you can get.
A surname is a pretty broad, heavy-handed way of banning people, particularly when they clearly without any doubt target one nation.
This isnt what happens in the modern world. It stinks of the discrimination that was widespread throughout the 80's, and i dont think its that far fetched to make that comparison.
Do you have a better solution as to how Pontins can protect their business and non traveller clients ?A surname is a pretty broad, heavy-handed way of banning people, particularly when they clearly without any doubt target one nation.
This isnt what happens in the modern world. It stinks of the discrimination that was widespread throughout the 80's, and i dont think its that far fetched to make that comparison.
pquinn said:
slow_poke said:
Did you miss the bit where Pontin's banned anyone with an Irish accent, regardless of surname?
Where was that on the written policy? Article said:
Staff were required to block potential customers with those names from booking. Staff monitored calls and refused or cancelled bookings made by people with an Irish accent or surname.
mrporsche said:
Fair enough.
However do you know how they behave when not on their plot ?
What is the quality and pricing of their work like ?
Do they strong arm people into paying over the odds?
Do they dispose of the waste correctly ?
Do they pay tax ?
keeping their plot tidy isnt necessarily reflective of how they actually behave in wider society. There are loads of plots near me which are clean and tidy, yet there is a high volume of flying tipping and opportunist theft from gardens. They drive their horses and carts around with no regard for other roads users or any kind of rules. I dont think any of them have read the highway code. They parade around the local shopping centre on a Sunday afternoon, which has caused security guards to be employed.
I have no idea, I just shared one positive encounter. I don't doubt that there are systemic issues.However do you know how they behave when not on their plot ?
What is the quality and pricing of their work like ?
Do they strong arm people into paying over the odds?
Do they dispose of the waste correctly ?
Do they pay tax ?
keeping their plot tidy isnt necessarily reflective of how they actually behave in wider society. There are loads of plots near me which are clean and tidy, yet there is a high volume of flying tipping and opportunist theft from gardens. They drive their horses and carts around with no regard for other roads users or any kind of rules. I dont think any of them have read the highway code. They parade around the local shopping centre on a Sunday afternoon, which has caused security guards to be employed.
pquinn said:
In that was the case where is the discrimination that people are screeching about? As the names aren't exclusive to a particular group or ethnicity.
Their system was literally a list of names of 'undesirable guests' which makes no mention of travellers or any other group, just a list of names who are barred which *could* lead to a booking being refused.
You can bet that if you looked at a list of people barred by other businesses you'd find a concentration of certain names too, with the makeup depending on the location & type of the business.
The names are essentially Irish - so it was a deliberate go at Irish people with those names - whether they were travellers or not. If you are going to discriminate, at least do with with a modicum of intelligence and guile.Their system was literally a list of names of 'undesirable guests' which makes no mention of travellers or any other group, just a list of names who are barred which *could* lead to a booking being refused.
You can bet that if you looked at a list of people barred by other businesses you'd find a concentration of certain names too, with the makeup depending on the location & type of the business.
mrporsche said:
Do you have a better solution as to how Pontins can protect their business and non traveller clients ?
Yes - make a list of individuals who have caused them problems and ban them. They are perfectly entitled to do that. The important thing when you are banning a person or people is that you have legitimate and legal reasons for doing so.
It's not actually hard. All it does is take a bit of time and effort and some intelligence.
Eric Mc said:
pquinn said:
In that was the case where is the discrimination that people are screeching about? As the names aren't exclusive to a particular group or ethnicity.
Their system was literally a list of names of 'undesirable guests' which makes no mention of travellers or any other group, just a list of names who are barred which *could* lead to a booking being refused.
You can bet that if you looked at a list of people barred by other businesses you'd find a concentration of certain names too, with the makeup depending on the location & type of the business.
The names are essentially Irish - so it was a deliberate go at Irish people with those names - whether they were travellers or not. If you are going to discriminate, at least do with with a modicum of intelligence and guile.Their system was literally a list of names of 'undesirable guests' which makes no mention of travellers or any other group, just a list of names who are barred which *could* lead to a booking being refused.
You can bet that if you looked at a list of people barred by other businesses you'd find a concentration of certain names too, with the makeup depending on the location & type of the business.
Its yer irish travellers that are causing grief
Electro1980 said:
So now it effects you your bothered by a policy?
It’s not about “some liberal types”, “direct experience
“ or “for the best”. It is illegal racial discrimination. You keep on supporting racism, but that doesn’t change the law. If companies don’t want to abide by the law, any law, then they should stop trading.
i'm just going to go out on a limb here and assume that you don't run a business!!!!!It’s not about “some liberal types”, “direct experience
“ or “for the best”. It is illegal racial discrimination. You keep on supporting racism, but that doesn’t change the law. If companies don’t want to abide by the law, any law, then they should stop trading.
Mr Whippy said:
Swap it round.
Reward good customers.
Put prices up double which puts off scum.
Require ID for all visitors.
Then good customers get a great price next visit, then normal prices after that.
Return nice customers get same cost over time. They are happy as it’s cheap next year. They are happy as t
ts are filtered out.
It wouldn’t take long to black list scum if they’d even bother turning up with the higher initial cost.
Well ofcourse Travellers are known to have no money Tyson Fury OTE £120Million, BJS OTE £70 Million. Most Travellers are now cashing into the Green trade ie Recycling & paying cheaper rates including cheaper Motor Insurance & hiking prices sky high. They've never been so well off ...Reward good customers.
Put prices up double which puts off scum.
Require ID for all visitors.
Then good customers get a great price next visit, then normal prices after that.
Return nice customers get same cost over time. They are happy as it’s cheap next year. They are happy as t
ts are filtered out.It wouldn’t take long to black list scum if they’d even bother turning up with the higher initial cost.
This behaviour is nothing new , a short while back you them booking onto Cruises & making peoples holidays a nightmare then....In Ireland they don't put up with it ,they are soon sorted out, no doubt why thay are here!
Edited by Gerradi on Friday 5th March 16:13
Eric Mc said:
Yes - make a list of individuals who have caused them problems and ban them. They are perfectly entitled to do that.
The important thing when you are banning a person or people is that you have legitimate and legal reasons for doing so.
It's not actually hard. All it does is take a bit of time and effort and some intelligence.
I haven't been yet, so they wont have my name.The important thing when you are banning a person or people is that you have legitimate and legal reasons for doing so.
It's not actually hard. All it does is take a bit of time and effort and some intelligence.
They don't know you are a problem until you have been, but going from past experience they know certain people are guaranteed to be a problem.
Pontins are still left with all the costs and hassle of dealing with me and my extended family, but done worry Jimmy Murphy and his family aren't allowed in next time.
They have now banned bookings from J Murphy.
They choose their surnames from a small pool so which J Murphy are you actually banning, picking an address hardly works for them does it
so are you banning all J Murphys ?
Which is what they tried to do.
Don't worry I will book it under T Murphy next time, Tommy being my middle name, or i can get my mate to book it P Doherty as they are not on the banned list.
Or are we photographing and fingerprinting them aswell ?
What do you propose they do when I turn up on Paddy's booking and they recognize me from last year ? Let in Paddy's family but not me and mine ? Which minimum wage employee is going to stop me from entering after i have paid my money, and i am not leaving until i get it back in cash. Oh and you had better increase security around the property because i am slightly annoyed now.
Your idea works very well for the non traveler population, but these people do not abide by the same rules and laws as we do.
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