Who is going to continue to wear a mask after 21st June?
Discussion
Iminquarantine said:
The evidence is that masks help, probably by a lot. This includes studies where the effect of incorrect use by some people is accounted for in the study method. Recent summary of research here https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
Show me a graph and point to me in big f
k off arrows where the introduction of masks had an effect on the RoC or the volume of infections rates in any country. Thanks.
Uggers said:
Iminquarantine said:
The evidence is that masks help, probably by a lot. This includes studies where the effect of incorrect use by some people is accounted for in the study method. Recent summary of research here https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118
Show me a graph and point to me in big fk off arrows where the introduction of masks had an effect on the RoC or the volume of infections rates in any country. Thanks.
blade runner said:
And then the water evaporates, leaving the virus particle still on your mask, free to be launched into the air the next time you breath out.
I posted a link showing a summary of several studies, in peer reviewed literature, showing that masks work to reduce the spread of Covid-19. Where is your information which contradicts this? Are you just getting the vibe from somewhere that masks don't work?B235r said:
Ive only been in a shop once since they bought in the mask rule, it's horrible to wear & after 2 minutes getting out the shop I was so pleased to get it off my face, couldn't breathe properly so I've not warn one since
You must have something seriously wrong with either your lungs, or your mask. If it is the mask, that's an easy fix, millions of normal people wear masks routinely day in day out, pre covid, to do their jobs. If it is your lungs, you would be wise to avoid covid!Maybe try a proper medical respirator style mask, of the Stealth mask things that are FFp3 rated and been used by cyclists who train in poor air quality areas for years. Ive seen them getting a proper lick on, all masked up, must have decent flow etc.
kiethton said:
Douglas Quaid said:
I don’t wear one now. I would like to believe they’ll be dropped in June but angry Karen will scream on Facebook about it so I think they’re here forever.
This - not worn one throughout the pandemic, agree that most will ditch them as soon as (legally) able including the angry Karen who will blindly believe whatever they're told....there will still be some weirdos that continue howeverB235r said:
Ive only been in a shop once since they bought in the mask rule, it's horrible to wear & after 2 minutes getting out the shop I was so pleased to get it off my face, couldn't breathe properly so I've not warn one since
I don't have an issue with them, but shooting a 14 wedding (as a glasses wearer!) in a warm/hot stately home was just about the limits of my ability to wear one, really enjoyed the fresh outdoor air after. Went through 5 face masks, the anti-fog wipes I picked up last spring are an absolute necessity, kept things clear for 2 hours or so before needing another wipe.blade runner said:
And then the water evaporates, leaving the virus particle still on your mask, free to be launched into the air the next time you breath out.
if the water evaporates, then the virus dies..''the molecules of water embedded in the viral structure evaporate and that can disrupt the folding pattern of the proteins.
Air is composed of oxygen and nitrogen molecules that have an affinity for hydrogen atoms on proteins and can cause some of the hydrogen bonds to dissociate. Oxygen can also engage in a chemical reaction with fats, much like it causes rancidity in cooking oils, and impair the protective effect of the fatty envelope.
Ultraviolet light, particularly short-wavelength (UV-C), is energetic enough to break chemical bonds and has been shown to alter the structure of nucleic acids. Put all of this together and we can see why the viability of a virus to cause an infection wanes with time. That time, though, depends on several factors.''
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-health-...
Paper also has chemicals in the pulp which would kill the virus.
poo at Paul's said:
B235r said:
Ive only been in a shop once since they bought in the mask rule, it's horrible to wear & after 2 minutes getting out the shop I was so pleased to get it off my face, couldn't breathe properly so I've not warn one since
You must have something seriously wrong with either your lungs, or your mask. If it is the mask, that's an easy fix, millions of normal people wear masks routinely day in day out, pre covid, to do their jobs. If it is your lungs, you would be wise to avoid covid!Maybe try a proper medical respirator style mask, of the Stealth mask things that are FFp3 rated and been used by cyclists who train in poor air quality areas for years. Ive seen them getting a proper lick on, all masked up, must have decent flow etc.
If I run with my mask on, it’s quite clear when I slow down and breathe deeply that a large proportion of air is coming out around the mask.
I’ve not seen one mask being worn locally where exhaust pressure wouldn’t see a bulk of air flow just take the path of least resistance and flow out unfiltered around the sides/creases etc.
I’ve seen lots of trades people wearing masks with no exhaust filtering.
People wearing thick knit scarves.
Yes Sage might say ‘masks work’ but until they copy the reality of most wearers masks and usage styles, I think they’re talking out of their bottoms.
Show me one normal mask that has a perfect seal around the edges and I’ll agree. None do. They all have simple ear straps only which forms no seal.
How the heck do you absorb virus particles in a filter that air flow just goes around?
It makes no sense.
andy43 said:
I have been wearing one where required. I’ll continue to wear one where required. No more, no less. Doesn’t really bother me TBH, but then I suspect the question wasn’t aimed at me.
Yep, same for me.I suspect there may be a few businesses that might still require them for a while, but that doesn't bother me if i have to wear one whilst on their premises.
BOR said:
I'll wear one if it winds up anti-mask freeman-of-the-land types.
That's a great idea. I thought of getting a T-shirt with the message 'I'm wearing a mask for your protection. No need to thank me'.
There's a Which? report this month detailing the efficacy of various masks. The only problem with it is that you need an open, enquiring mind to get the best out of it. Those who've already made up their minds need not apply.
Mr Whippy said:
Decent flow out suggests no exhaust filtering.
If I run with my mask on, it’s quite clear when I slow down and breathe deeply that a large proportion of air is coming out around the mask.
I’ve not seen one mask being worn locally where exhaust pressure wouldn’t see a bulk of air flow just take the path of least resistance and flow out unfiltered around the sides/creases etc.
I’ve seen lots of trades people wearing masks with no exhaust filtering.
People wearing thick knit scarves.
Yes Sage might say ‘masks work’ but until they copy the reality of most wearers masks and usage styles, I think they’re talking out of their bottoms.
Show me one normal mask that has a perfect seal around the edges and I’ll agree. None do. They all have simple ear straps only which forms no seal.
How the heck do you absorb virus particles in a filter that air flow just goes around?
It makes no sense.
Most of the virus is attached to water droplets in exhaled breath. These, mostly, end up on the mask material leaving the air component to exit wherever. Any virus particles not attached to droplets are small enough not to be stopped by a mask, even if they go through the mask rather than out the side. The mask also blocks the forward momentum of your exhaled breath, so it doesn't go as far. Surgeons, outside of Covid times, use standard surgical masks which have an imperfect seal and these are still good at preventing disease transmission. If I run with my mask on, it’s quite clear when I slow down and breathe deeply that a large proportion of air is coming out around the mask.
I’ve not seen one mask being worn locally where exhaust pressure wouldn’t see a bulk of air flow just take the path of least resistance and flow out unfiltered around the sides/creases etc.
I’ve seen lots of trades people wearing masks with no exhaust filtering.
People wearing thick knit scarves.
Yes Sage might say ‘masks work’ but until they copy the reality of most wearers masks and usage styles, I think they’re talking out of their bottoms.
Show me one normal mask that has a perfect seal around the edges and I’ll agree. None do. They all have simple ear straps only which forms no seal.
How the heck do you absorb virus particles in a filter that air flow just goes around?
It makes no sense.
omniflow said:
monkfish1 said:
dmahon said:
They have not said that masks are coming off on the 21st June. Not a hope in hell that will happen.
This^^^The OP's question isnt relevant as at no point has it been indicated that masks will no longer be required after 21st June. I think we can safely assume they will still be mandated. Probably permanently. Certainly there are agitators in SAGE etc pushing hard for this to be so.
What I have seen is:
Step 4 - No sooner than June 21
- All limits on social contact, such as rule of six, to be removed for both indoor and outdoor settings
- Rest of society to reopen, such as nightclubs and other businesses which did not reopen following first lockdown
- Social distancing will remain in place until Step 4, with a review taking place ahead of that date looking at how the advice can be removed
So, whilst there is nothing there explicitly referring to masks, there is a glimmer of hope.
Also - and probably something for SP&L - I believe that some (hopefully ALL) of the laws around Covid restrictions are time limited and will no longer be in force - therefore, places like supermarkets couldn't say you MUST wear a mask by law.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-1...
Government said:
Review of social distancing
Finally, before Step 4 begins, the government will complete a review of social distancing and other long-term measures that have been put in place to cut transmission. This will inform decisions on the timing and circumstances under which the rules on 1 metre plus, the wearing of face coverings and other measures may be lifted. This will also inform guidance on working from home – which should continue wherever possible until this review is complete
They will be dropped in the summer IMO. JvT talked of masks coming back next winter (and clarified to voluntary, which I'm on record as being sceptical of, IMO they will be mandated in September(ish)).Finally, before Step 4 begins, the government will complete a review of social distancing and other long-term measures that have been put in place to cut transmission. This will inform decisions on the timing and circumstances under which the rules on 1 metre plus, the wearing of face coverings and other measures may be lifted. This will also inform guidance on working from home – which should continue wherever possible until this review is complete
In order to do that they must first go away.
andy43 said:
I have been wearing one where required. I’ll continue to wear one where required. No more, no less. Doesn’t really bother me TBH, but then I suspect the question wasn’t aimed at me.
This for me. Of all the impacts on my life over the last year, wearing a mask doesn't bother me in the least. It's an utter irrelevance, but this topic always seems to bring out the people who are highly vocal about what a terrible ordeal it is, or more amusingly, the renegades who have just refused to wear one. I know of people even going to the lengths of wearing sunflower lanyards for no valid reason just so they don't have to wear one. Bizarre.One thing I will miss is mask wearing in hospitality settings by staff. Having someone stood directly over you talking with a mask on is much nicer as you never get spittle sprayed on you. I f
king hate having people stood talking right over me for that reason. Hopefully some places will insist on it for the staff for a while longer 
Derek Smith said:
BOR said:
I'll wear one if it winds up anti-mask freeman-of-the-land types.
That's a great idea. I thought of getting a T-shirt with the message 'I'm wearing a mask for your protection. No need to thank me'.
There's a Which? report this month detailing the efficacy of various masks. The only problem with it is that you need an open, enquiring mind to get the best out of it. Those who've already made up their minds need not apply.
Based on the number of people not wearing face coverings in between the announcement on 14th July that they would be required in shops and the law coming into force on 24th July (not very many), I'd expect most people to stop wearing masks once they are no longer told they have to.
johnboy1975 said:
omniflow said:
monkfish1 said:
dmahon said:
They have not said that masks are coming off on the 21st June. Not a hope in hell that will happen.
This^^^The OP's question isnt relevant as at no point has it been indicated that masks will no longer be required after 21st June. I think we can safely assume they will still be mandated. Probably permanently. Certainly there are agitators in SAGE etc pushing hard for this to be so.
What I have seen is:
Step 4 - No sooner than June 21
- All limits on social contact, such as rule of six, to be removed for both indoor and outdoor settings
- Rest of society to reopen, such as nightclubs and other businesses which did not reopen following first lockdown
- Social distancing will remain in place until Step 4, with a review taking place ahead of that date looking at how the advice can be removed
So, whilst there is nothing there explicitly referring to masks, there is a glimmer of hope.
Also - and probably something for SP&L - I believe that some (hopefully ALL) of the laws around Covid restrictions are time limited and will no longer be in force - therefore, places like supermarkets couldn't say you MUST wear a mask by law.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-1...
Government said:
Review of social distancing
Finally, before Step 4 begins, the government will complete a review of social distancing and other long-term measures that have been put in place to cut transmission. This will inform decisions on the timing and circumstances under which the rules on 1 metre plus, the wearing of face coverings and other measures may be lifted. This will also inform guidance on working from home – which should continue wherever possible until this review is complete
They will be dropped in the summer IMO. JvT talked of masks coming back next winter (and clarified to voluntary, which I'm on record as being sceptical of, IMO they will be mandated in September(ish)).Finally, before Step 4 begins, the government will complete a review of social distancing and other long-term measures that have been put in place to cut transmission. This will inform decisions on the timing and circumstances under which the rules on 1 metre plus, the wearing of face coverings and other measures may be lifted. This will also inform guidance on working from home – which should continue wherever possible until this review is complete
In order to do that they must first go away.
blade runner said:
omniflow said:
Step 4 - No sooner than June 21
- All limits on social contact, such as rule of six, to be removed for both indoor and outdoor settings
- Rest of society to reopen, such as nightclubs and other businesses which did not reopen following first lockdown
- Social distancing will remain in place until Step 4, with a review taking place ahead of that date looking at how the advice can be removed
How that's supposed to work with Nightclubs opening June 21st if social distancing remains in place until September? It's been a good few years since I've been in a nightclub I'll admit, but from what I recall they are not exactly known for being places where people keep their distance from one another - whether that be at the bar or on the dance floor.- All limits on social contact, such as rule of six, to be removed for both indoor and outdoor settings
- Rest of society to reopen, such as nightclubs and other businesses which did not reopen following first lockdown
- Social distancing will remain in place until Step 4, with a review taking place ahead of that date looking at how the advice can be removed
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