NHS "Pay Rise" of 1% (real term pay cut)
Discussion
rossub said:
BlueJazz said:
Perhaps a one off bonus like the Scottish NHS staff are getting: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/r...
Being in Scotland, that’s what I got.Although it became £285 after tax and NI.
Then the £285 went to Dunelm towards some new curtains
Edited by BlueJazz on Saturday 6th March 16:11
valiant said:
garyhun said:
Earthdweller said:
Russ T Bolt said:
Fair enough, genuinely baffled why construction/carpenter is struggling - around here construction work has continued and skills remain in demand. An inlaw is a builder, he can't get trades at the moment, they are too busy.
If our regular DPD driver (been delivering to us for years) is typical, your friend will be ok. Last time I saw him he said he was £3k a month up.
Everything but essential construction has been shut down here for most of the year If our regular DPD driver (been delivering to us for years) is typical, your friend will be ok. Last time I saw him he said he was £3k a month up.
Trades haven’t been allowed to enter people’s homes to work
Here in Ireland, where i currently am, all non essential construction is stopped. They are still building the new children’s hospital and some infrastructure projects but otherwise it’s all stopped
Trades are not allowed to work in people’s homes
Pubs and hospitality shut last March and haven’t reopened
Some of the examples I gave are of people in Ireland, some are of friends at home in the uk
Hope that clears that up
Here’s a thought
The unions want all NHS staff to receive a 12.5% pay rise
Fine, let’s give it to them, all 1.3 million of them and increase the annual £60bn pay bill by around £5bn, not taking into account pensions and the like which will add more
But, as it’s essential and we love our NHS and we have National Insurance to pay for it
Let’s put everyone’s NI contributions up to pay for it
Each 1% of NI raises around £5bn so perhaps a 2% rise to cover pay and pensions for everyone who pays tax, including the 1.3 million beneficiaries of the pay rise
The unions want all NHS staff to receive a 12.5% pay rise
Fine, let’s give it to them, all 1.3 million of them and increase the annual £60bn pay bill by around £5bn, not taking into account pensions and the like which will add more
But, as it’s essential and we love our NHS and we have National Insurance to pay for it
Let’s put everyone’s NI contributions up to pay for it
Each 1% of NI raises around £5bn so perhaps a 2% rise to cover pay and pensions for everyone who pays tax, including the 1.3 million beneficiaries of the pay rise
Cold said:
Would making car parks free for frontline staff be a more cost effective action?
It's the one thing I would have done years ago but made it free for everyone (take a ticket and get it validated in the hospital a bit like a cinema). The last thing you need to be worrying about when you go to hospital or work there is a bloody parking ticket.That’s not how it works, someone else should pay the extra tax. Those rich b
ds or Amazon or...
The opposition is going to roll the government’s errors during Covid with money wasted on spivs into this and monster them on it. They needed a solution which stood up to the rhetoric and clapping, and this is not it.
A misstep by a fundamentally populist administration.
ds or Amazon or... The opposition is going to roll the government’s errors during Covid with money wasted on spivs into this and monster them on it. They needed a solution which stood up to the rhetoric and clapping, and this is not it.
A misstep by a fundamentally populist administration.
Sheets Tabuer said:
I'm sure it is very popular until they realise how much they'd have to pay extra each week in tax to cover it.
Yes, and the government has encouraged this attitude by putting most of the adjustment thus far on company taxation and fiscal drag.I know it would technically break a manifesto commitment but I would have liked to see an extra 3p, or so, on the basic rate of income tax. Call it a "temporary Covid tax" and say it will remain in place until the debts run up over lockdown are cleared. We might then have a few less people assuming there is some infinite pool of money paid for by taxation on "people richer than me", or better yet (for them) paid for by future generations, who don't matter.
bhstewie said:
That one is particularly dumb IMO.hstewie said:
I can't see too many people other than HMRC employees losing sleep if they got nothing. Probably wouldn't be too many who would if they got less.
JagLover said:
Yes, and the government has encouraged this attitude by putting most of the adjustment thus far on company taxation and fiscal drag.
I know it would technically break a manifesto commitment but I would have liked to see an extra 3p, or so, on the basic rate of income tax. Call it a "temporary Covid tax" and say it will remain in place until the debts run up over lockdown are cleared. We might then have a few less people assuming there is some infinite pool of money paid for by taxation on "people richer than me", or better yet (for them) paid for by future generations, who don't matter.
They should have put a lump on anything that didn't encourage employment/productivity growth IMO.I know it would technically break a manifesto commitment but I would have liked to see an extra 3p, or so, on the basic rate of income tax. Call it a "temporary Covid tax" and say it will remain in place until the debts run up over lockdown are cleared. We might then have a few less people assuming there is some infinite pool of money paid for by taxation on "people richer than me", or better yet (for them) paid for by future generations, who don't matter.
otolith said:
That’s not how it works, someone else should pay the extra tax. Those rich bds or Amazon or...
Exactly the old bids on facebook around here are frothing over this. When you explain it might mean 3 quid a week off their pension they suddenly attack big business and the well off.ds or Amazon or... take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
T6 vanman said:
As others have said
1) Not sure relevance with International pay average
2) We thank you wife's efforts .. It must be challenging to keep your marriage going whilst your wife gets up at 5am for a shift start at 6am and working 15 hours until 9pm so not getting home before 10pm 7 days a week, for the last 12 months ... This is what you wrote for 2
Really... I wrote that. I don't recall talking about shift start times, and when she leaves work but if you're saying I did, then I must have done.... But thanks for your facetious response. 1) Not sure relevance with International pay average
2) We thank you wife's efforts .. It must be challenging to keep your marriage going whilst your wife gets up at 5am for a shift start at 6am and working 15 hours until 9pm so not getting home before 10pm 7 days a week, for the last 12 months ... This is what you wrote for 2
As you're obviously so interested in her working pattern, she actually starts around 8am and finishes around 10 - 11pm. Weekends are not full time, but they do impact our family life - I'd estimate 3 hours per day on average.
She is fortunate though because she can mostly work from home. She's a board director so there is little value of her being in the office as she's no longer clinically facing.
Any more info needed?
I'll pass on your thanks though.
No you didn't mention her times, but you wrote as if she was "at the coal face", sort of omitted that she was WFH,
You highlighted later she's at band 7.
So she's earning probably double the UK national average and is around the top 5% of income's .... Add your income and I guess your household is within the top 2~3% for income, And you come on here and fight for your wife to have a 12.5% wage increase.
In the real world my son has had his Apprenticeship cancelled mid course as his employer couldn't meet the hours of practical needed, then after picking up another job being terminated due to Covid & myself facing redundancy later this summer,
" Any more info needed? I think the question I'll ask is .... What justification is there for the union to threaten striking so your wife can benefit from a 12.5% rise when so many others are facing unemployment and pay/income cuts??
Why 12.5 ... why not 10 or 8 or 5 ... how do you determine 12.5 is appropriate for this year after the 2018 deal?
Sierra Nevada said:
As I said before what happened to the £350m a week. Surely that can pay for the NHS worker's pay rise?
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budgetOr maybe https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-england-394-millio...
"Spending increases announced for NHS England’s budget mean that £20.5 billion more will be spent on it in 2023/24 than in 2018/19. That’s £394 million more a week by 2023/24."
T6 vanman said:
Sorry for the delay ... been out and about,
No you didn't mention her times, but you wrote as if she was "at the coal face", sort of omitted that she was WFH,
You highlighted later she's at band 7.
So she's earning probably double the UK national average and is around the top 5% of income's .... Add your income and I guess your household is within the top 2~3% for income, And you come on here and fight for your wife to have a 12.5% wage increase.
In the real world my son has had his Apprenticeship cancelled mid course as his employer couldn't meet the hours of practical needed, then after picking up another job being terminated due to Covid & myself facing redundancy later this summer,
" Any more info needed? I think the question I'll ask is .... What justification is there for the union to threaten striking so your wife can benefit from a 12.5% rise when so many others are facing unemployment and pay/income cuts??
Why 12.5 ... why not 10 or 8 or 5 ... how do you determine 12.5 is appropriate for this year after the 2018 deal?
What does your own situation have to do with nurse’s pay? No you didn't mention her times, but you wrote as if she was "at the coal face", sort of omitted that she was WFH,
You highlighted later she's at band 7.
So she's earning probably double the UK national average and is around the top 5% of income's .... Add your income and I guess your household is within the top 2~3% for income, And you come on here and fight for your wife to have a 12.5% wage increase.
In the real world my son has had his Apprenticeship cancelled mid course as his employer couldn't meet the hours of practical needed, then after picking up another job being terminated due to Covid & myself facing redundancy later this summer,
" Any more info needed? I think the question I'll ask is .... What justification is there for the union to threaten striking so your wife can benefit from a 12.5% rise when so many others are facing unemployment and pay/income cuts??
Why 12.5 ... why not 10 or 8 or 5 ... how do you determine 12.5 is appropriate for this year after the 2018 deal?
If they get a 12.5% pay rise or a 12.5% pay cut, you’re not going to get any more or less.
I expect if you were trying to get a pay rise and a load of nurses were on the internet saying you don’t deserve it because of something happening to them? You’d rightly tell them to mind their own business.
I’m amazed how into other people’s salaries some people are.
If I thought nurses were well paid and thought it was an easy job and saw they were possibly getting a pay rise when I wasn’t and it annoyed me, I’d go and retrain to be a nurse instead of complaining about them trying to get a pay rise.
I’ve had a pay cut this year and am quite happy if someone else gets a pay rise. Because it has no bearing on my own job at all.
El stovey said:
T6 vanman said:
Sorry for the delay ... been out and about,
No you didn't mention her times, but you wrote as if she was "at the coal face", sort of omitted that she was WFH,
You highlighted later she's at band 7.
So she's earning probably double the UK national average and is around the top 5% of income's .... Add your income and I guess your household is within the top 2~3% for income, And you come on here and fight for your wife to have a 12.5% wage increase.
In the real world my son has had his Apprenticeship cancelled mid course as his employer couldn't meet the hours of practical needed, then after picking up another job being terminated due to Covid & myself facing redundancy later this summer,
" Any more info needed? I think the question I'll ask is .... What justification is there for the union to threaten striking so your wife can benefit from a 12.5% rise when so many others are facing unemployment and pay/income cuts??
Why 12.5 ... why not 10 or 8 or 5 ... how do you determine 12.5 is appropriate for this year after the 2018 deal?
What does your own situation have to do with nurse’s pay? No you didn't mention her times, but you wrote as if she was "at the coal face", sort of omitted that she was WFH,
You highlighted later she's at band 7.
So she's earning probably double the UK national average and is around the top 5% of income's .... Add your income and I guess your household is within the top 2~3% for income, And you come on here and fight for your wife to have a 12.5% wage increase.
In the real world my son has had his Apprenticeship cancelled mid course as his employer couldn't meet the hours of practical needed, then after picking up another job being terminated due to Covid & myself facing redundancy later this summer,
" Any more info needed? I think the question I'll ask is .... What justification is there for the union to threaten striking so your wife can benefit from a 12.5% rise when so many others are facing unemployment and pay/income cuts??
Why 12.5 ... why not 10 or 8 or 5 ... how do you determine 12.5 is appropriate for this year after the 2018 deal?
If they get a 12.5% pay rise or a 12.5% pay cut, you’re not going to get any more or less.
I expect if you were trying to get a pay rise and a load of nurses were on the internet saying you don’t deserve it because of something happening to them? You’d rightly tell them to mind their own business.
I’m amazed how into other people’s salaries some people are.
If I thought nurses were well paid and thought it was an easy job and saw they were possibly getting a pay rise when I wasn’t and it annoyed me, I’d go and retrain to be a nurse instead of complaining about them trying to get a pay rise.
I’ve had a pay cut this year and am quite happy if someone else gets a pay rise. Because it has no bearing on my own job at all.
The 12.5% is the opening gambit. Everyone, including those that originally pushed it, knows that the final offer will be nowhere near that. Anyone who has done any collective bargaining knows that. They’ll probably be happy with 2 or 3%. Hanging your hat on the 12.5% just highlights how little people know on how these things work.
Edited by valiant on Saturday 6th March 18:22
I appreciate people saying they aren't getting pay rises so the nurses should be happy with 1 percent. Lots of online views state that delivery drivers and supermarket workers aren't getting anything so why should nurses.
Fair enough, but the majority of people haven't spent the last year surrounded by people dying. Most people haven't had to hold someone's hand as they passed away because no friends or family were allowed to be there.
30 grand a year for that? No thank you, I would rather not do that job and I'm perfectly happy with paying them properly so at least when they get home they can enjoy life.
Fair enough, but the majority of people haven't spent the last year surrounded by people dying. Most people haven't had to hold someone's hand as they passed away because no friends or family were allowed to be there.
30 grand a year for that? No thank you, I would rather not do that job and I'm perfectly happy with paying them properly so at least when they get home they can enjoy life.
Pappyjohn said:
I appreciate people saying they aren't getting pay rises so the nurses should be happy with 1 percent. Lots of online views state that delivery drivers and supermarket workers aren't getting anything so why should nurses.
Fair enough, but the majority of people haven't spent the last year surrounded by people dying. Most people haven't had to hold someone's hand as they passed away because no friends or family were allowed to be there.
30 grand a year for that? No thank you, I would rather not do that job and I'm perfectly happy with paying them properly so at least when they get home they can enjoy life.
Because no one died in hospital prior to 2020 and it was all roses for nurses and health practitioners...FFS get a grip.Fair enough, but the majority of people haven't spent the last year surrounded by people dying. Most people haven't had to hold someone's hand as they passed away because no friends or family were allowed to be there.
30 grand a year for that? No thank you, I would rather not do that job and I'm perfectly happy with paying them properly so at least when they get home they can enjoy life.
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