NHS "Pay Rise" of 1% (real term pay cut)

[paulw123]

1% is a lot more than many will get. Sadly the new NHS religion worshipers won’t like it.

[McGee_22]

fesuvious said:

Tryke3 said:

anonymous said:

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Stuff

I'm sorry, I appear to have missed where you explained how he's wrong?

I worked for 10 years in the NHS and as much as those outside the NHS may not want to believe it, tonkers breakdown is pretty much spot on.

[Biggy Stardust]

dave_s13 said:

I'm feel hugely lucky to have a job I love in the NHS that pays well enough and is secure. That shouldn't breed resentment toward me and people similar to me.

Don't hate the player etc.....

Why should we resent you? You're not whingeing.

[MrJuice]

TVR1 said:

Yup.

I’m a driving instructor. I spent last year teaching key workers.

At least 5, a couple of Drs and Surgeons who were Covid+ during intensive lessons (4hours a day) to pass tests. (They didn’t know it at the time) I picked up nothing.

I’m not in the vulnerable age group. I wear glasses, I also smoke (apparently a good thing)

However, 1 of my pupils has gone on to write the protocols for how to deal with intubation and if/when necessary.

The other is a Cardiac surgeon.

Both have said that they couldn’t take up their posts if I didn’t help them pass. Driving was a necessary requirement of them moving to the Hospitals they’re now in. Hard to get in, if you’re in the arse end of beyond at 2am, waiting for a bus.

I’m now waiting for some support. Next grant for me is in 8 weeks.

I don’t want grants or handouts, I want to just get back to work.

Visited a food bank today.

I’ve £7 in the bank and at least 4 weeks to restart my business. No income since December.

I’ve a 77 year old Mum to look after who’s starting to dement and my 6 years old for 3.5 days a week.

I’ve no sympathy for those who are fully employed.

Edited by TVR1 on Friday 5th March 20:25

Genuinely staggered that doctors have gone that far in their career and applied for jobs out in the sticks without driving licences.

Sorry to hear about your financial situation. I hope things improve for you very soon.

[Boringvolvodriver]

McGee_22 said:

fesuvious said:

Tryke3 said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Stuff

I'm sorry, I appear to have missed where you explained how he's wrong?

I worked for 10 years in the NHS and as much as those outside the NHS may not want to believe it, tonkers breakdown is pretty much spot on.

Exactly, read what Tony Benn said about the NHS and a boat race and you get a feel as to how the management run the organisation.

A bonus to all those frontline workers in public service who have kept things going would have been a far better concept and easier for the general public to accept. Especially since rather a lot of money has been given to the mates of Government to run(badly) a Test and Trace service which has struggled to trace.

Maybe the unions should also look at how they pay their management as well - I could be wrong but some of those Union big wigs get a large salary whilst claiming to look after their members interests.

[survivalist]

princeperch said:

Quisling said:

Don't forget the average wage of a nurse is £36K

Which is apparently abject poverty and they are forced to use food banks



Strange as i would consider £36K to be a damn decent wage

36k in the south East and london is peanuts really.

And that is the problem. How will they attract and retain staff, without recourse to using expensive agency workers, if they are paying that sort of cash?

As an asides , I work in Central government. The salaries for professionals (lawyers accountants etc) are fairly low. And certainly in my department, we are having to use agency staff to take up the slack. That means we have to pay a 9k one off fee to recruit them to an agent, and then they earn between 200-400 a day depending how experienced they are. Then inevitably when they find another higher paying job, they give a month's notice and they are off. And this normally happens just when they've learnt the ropes and are starting to be of use. Churn is high.

Pay st, get people that won't do more than the minimum, won't be loyal, and who will leave for better paid work elsewhere . Its also appalling for morale and industrial relations.

As an asides, I remain because the money is just about enough to keep me there but the flexibility and the pension are unrivalled. Maybe in a few years when I don't need the flex ill go elsewhere. But I have full sympathy for the nurses and NHS staff...

It turns out people are free to move to different parts of the country. Even in the current “lockdown”.

If enough people with a certain skill set do this, employers increase their salaries / packages to ensure they attract the talent they need.

[dave_s13]

Biggy Stardust said:

dave_s13 said:

I'm feel hugely lucky to have a job I love in the NHS that pays well enough and is secure. That shouldn't breed resentment toward me and people similar to me.

Don't hate the player etc.....

Why should we resent you? You're not whingeing.

Fair do's, just feels like opinion is that the NHS staff are orchestrating all this bks and it couldn't be further from reality. It's a st storm created by the unions and the media.

Ps...im not in a union.

Maybe we should give bonuses to front line clinical staff who are NOT supporting any unions?

[TVR1]

MrJuice said:

TVR1 said:

Yup.

I’m a driving instructor. I spent last year teaching key workers.

At least 5, a couple of Drs and Surgeons who were Covid+ during intensive lessons (4hours a day) to pass tests. (They didn’t know it at the time) I picked up nothing.

I’m not in the vulnerable age group. I wear glasses, I also smoke (apparently a good thing)

However, 1 of my pupils has gone on to write the protocols for how to deal with intubation and if/when necessary.

The other is a Cardiac surgeon.

Both have said that they couldn’t take up their posts if I didn’t help them pass. Driving was a necessary requirement of them moving to the Hospitals they’re now in. Hard to get in, if you’re in the arse end of beyond at 2am, waiting for a bus.

I’m now waiting for some support. Next grant for me is in 8 weeks.

I don’t want grants or handouts, I want to just get back to work.

Visited a food bank today.

I’ve £7 in the bank and at least 4 weeks to restart my business. No income since December.

I’ve a 77 year old Mum to look after who’s starting to dement and my 6 years old for 3.5 days a week.

I’ve no sympathy for those who are fully employed.

Edited by TVR1 on Friday 5th March 20:25

Genuinely staggered that doctors have gone that far in their career and applied for jobs out in the sticks without driving licences.

Sorry to hear about your financial situation. I hope things improve for you very soon.

It will, in a month or so, assuming lessons start in April.

I’ve been forced to stop since December. Didn’t really want UC or claim every grant but I’ve had too but they still take a few weeks to process. I’m waiting on those now.

I still have fixed business costs of about £1200 a month. Not including housing/food/etc.

I’ve 4 weeks to get through, though, until I can realistically earn again.

I’ve no idea how I’m going to be able to.

[Cyder]

As others have said, it may be about time the unions and shouty worshippers took a look outside their echo chamber to see what the real world looks like right now.

I’d be pretty happy to get a 1% pay rise this year given the state of the economy and business finances. As it is I’m expecting nothing, but I’m quite grateful to still have a job.

[johnboy1975]

MrJuice said:

TVR1 said:

Yup.

I’m a driving instructor. I spent last year teaching key workers.

At least 5, a couple of Drs and Surgeons who were Covid+ during intensive lessons (4hours a day) to pass tests. (They didn’t know it at the time) I picked up nothing.

I’m not in the vulnerable age group. I wear glasses, I also smoke (apparently a good thing)

However, 1 of my pupils has gone on to write the protocols for how to deal with intubation and if/when necessary.

The other is a Cardiac surgeon.

Both have said that they couldn’t take up their posts if I didn’t help them pass. Driving was a necessary requirement of them moving to the Hospitals they’re now in. Hard to get in, if you’re in the arse end of beyond at 2am, waiting for a bus.

I’m now waiting for some support. Next grant for me is in 8 weeks.

I don’t want grants or handouts, I want to just get back to work.

Visited a food bank today.

I’ve £7 in the bank and at least 4 weeks to restart my business. No income since December.

I’ve a 77 year old Mum to look after who’s starting to dement and my 6 years old for 3.5 days a week.

I’ve no sympathy for those who are fully employed.

Edited by TVR1 on Friday 5th March 20:25

Genuinely staggered that doctors have gone that far in their career and applied for jobs out in the sticks without driving licences.

Sorry to hear about your financial situation. I hope things improve for you very soon.

Also sorry to hear of your financial situation.....

Could I just ask, were those lessons / tests for doctors a special exemption, or where they still going ahead at the time more generally?

AFAIK your industry has been hammered with shutdowns (daughters lessons have been very off on off again, I cant recall the first time they stopped, but I'd guess at the start of LD1? And i don't think she'shad one since we went into tier 3 in November,
I know she hasn't had one since LD3. Is it April 12th slated for resumption?) ,

Don't you get the equivalent of furlough / small business assistance though - or are you new to the job? I thought if you showed earnings of 30k say, you got 80% (ish)

[MrJuice]

TVR1 said:

It will, in a month or so, assuming lessons start in April.

I’ve been forced to stop since December. Didn’t really want UC or claim every grant but I’ve had too but they still take a few weeks to process. I’m waiting on those now.

I still have fixed business costs of about £1200 a month. Not including housing/food/etc.

I’ve 4 weeks to get through, though, until I can realistically earn again.

I’ve no idea how I’m going to be able to.

May I ask what the £1200 is made up of? Seems very high for a driving instructing business overheads.

[Jasandjules]

youngsyr said:

Murmurs from a couple of nursing unions that strike action could be a possibility following a 1% pay rise being announced and reported by BBC.

I am sure the hundreds of thousands of people terminated over the last year would be happy just to have a job, let alone a nice pension on top.

I think many of the public will soon forget these NHS "heroes" when their relatives are (like mine) dying from the NHS failures over the last year to do anything other than treat Covid. Far better a 70 year old lady died of cancer than an 80 year old of Covid it seems.

[menguin]

It is ludicrous to suggest it is a real term pay cut.

Not getting a pay rise is the alternative, so they are 1% better off than the alternative. Unless there is something written into contracts that states they are guaranteed inflation level pay increases then its just bks.

[NextSlidePlease]

For those who worked on the "front line" they deserve a nice bonus for the physical but mostly mental torment they have been subjected to. You couldn't pay me enough to work on the covid and intensive care wards during this st. 1% for those folk is an insult for our so called heroes.

I piss and moan about having to wear a 3 ply mask going into Sainsburys, can you imagine having to be layered up with all that PPE all day and head out onto the ward for yet another gruelling shift of nothing but misery and death, being the one who sits and holds the hands of those people who pass away with none of their family round them. F that, It would have broken me very quickly.

Whatever about they having it cushy before this, the past year for a lot of NHS staff must have been pure hell.

[Sheepshanks]

I recall discussion maybe a couple of months ago suggesting NHS staff could be given 10% pay rises and the nett cost would be buttons as the Government gets most of it back. I guess in tax. NI, VAT etc.

So let's do that!

[Mr Whippy]

I’d assumed they were getting 0%

1% is fine in my view. I’ve had worse pay rises.

Though I do wonder how Rishi can give his rich crony friends big stimulus via stamp duty holidays (benefits wealthy and banks mostly as far as I can see), essentially at the cost of giving front line NHS a decent salary rise... or even just a one off bonus.

His budget tells you the priority.

[Skyedriver]

Mr Whippy said:

Though I do wonder how Rishi can give his rich crony friends big stimulus via stamp duty holidays (benefits wealthy and banks mostly as far as I can see), essentially at the cost of giving front line NHS a decent salary rise... or even just a one off bonus.

His budget tells you the priority.

This^^
I've paid Stamp Duty on virtually every house move and disagree with the Stamp Duty holiday. All it does it put the actual selling price up.
I'm waiting to see what the (mostly absent) MPs get in their pay rise along with the House of Lords.
And you can just see them all, "well I get the basic MP wage but then I'm in this committee and that committee and claim expenses from here there and everywhere along with my subsidised housing" . Pigs - troughs

FFS give the NHS workers a decent pay award, they deserve more than 1% and a round of applause on a thursday.

[loskie]

Quisling said:

Finding it hard to care to be honest

I think MANY would love a guaranteed job with a guaranteed pay rise every year

well what's stopping you?

[valiant]

Jasandjules said:

youngsyr said:

Murmurs from a couple of nursing unions that strike action could be a possibility following a 1% pay rise being announced and reported by BBC.

I am sure the hundreds of thousands of people terminated over the last year would be happy just to have a job, let alone a nice pension on top.

I think many of the public will soon forget these NHS "heroes" when their relatives are (like mine) dying from the NHS failures over the last year to do anything other than treat Covid. Far better a 70 year old lady died of cancer than an 80 year old of Covid it seems.

And who decided that Covid was more important than cancer? It wasn’t the guys and girls on the front line was it? No, it was those in Whitehall and senior bods on salaries that dwarf those on the front line.

You’re all falling into the trap that this lousy government has laid for you. You’re now blaming those on the front instead of the generals miles from the front. How dare nurses. doctors, porters, etc ask for a pay rise whilst billions is spunked on failed test and trace and the ‘chumocracy’ that exists within Downing St.

But hey, 1% right?

[scenario8]

I’m quite capable of being critical of public sector spending in more than one area.