Missing Woman Sarah Everard

[AJL308]

mick987 said:

What has that got to do with him going out a raping and murdering an innocent young lady?. At the end of the day I think he is a bully who thought he could do what he wanted and get away with it and now hopefully he will die in prison.

Absolutely, guaranteed certainty, I'd think.

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PurpleTurtle said:

I imagine his lawyer has said "the number of aspects to the planning of this, a jury is never going to believe it was diminished responsibility, you are going away for a very long time because of a stack of evidence against you. Plead guilty, it's the best you can hope for in determining your minimum term"

Let's hope that minimum term is at least 30 years. I don't think this will have been his first crime.

Absolutely, guaranteed it won't be. Indeed, we already know about his flashing so you are correct from the outset. I think I posted about his potential tariff previously but can't recall what I said. Murder sentencing is very consistent these days as it's statutory; it won't be less than 30 and I suspect the starting point will be 40 years for him. The only mitigating fact, as far as I can see, is his guilty plea but I suspect that that will count for very little. There are loads of aggravating factors, not to mention the fact that he clearly hasn't given a full confession of how this took place. I can't see that the 40 year starting point will be reduced. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he were given a whole life order. In any event - he aint getting out, save for being very old and with hours to live from some terminal condition.

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TheJimi said:

TheJimi said:

You'd have thought that an experienced cop, of all people, would have had at least a fighting chance of getting away with murder.

I mean, reading what evidence has been reported so far, it's almost as if he wanted to get caught for it.

Psycho Warren said:

Surprising for someone who is supposedly forensically aware and tactically trained to leave so much evidence.

That's a better way of saying what I was trying to say

Lets face it, he's completely unhinged. I don't think he engaged in any critical analysis as to the consequences of what he'd decided to do. People are trying to apply some sense of rationality to this guy when he was clearly not rational in any sense of the word.

I said pages back that lots and lots of other deeply unpleasant st was going to come out about this guy; it already has today and will surely do so over the coming months and years. The Met are going to have to face up to an absolute st-storm over this as there has obviously been a massive fk-up in their vetting procedures. The fact that he was a police officer is bad enough, the fact that he was a firearms officer entrusted with some extremely serious weaponry, not only that but a diplomatic protection officer, no less, is about as major a fk-up as you can make!

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Vasco said:

Unless I've missed something has there been any suggestion as to *why* she would have got in the car?

The obvious speculation (I think it was mentioned previously) is that he probably used his warrant card to convince her. Didn't someone mention that one of the CCTV captures showed someone in the back of a car possibly trying to signal for help? If you were a cop trying to use your ID to kidnap someone wouldn't the back be the logical place to convince a protectee to sit? The rear of a car has child locks, after all!

[AJL308]

The Spruce Goose said:

MadCaptainJack said:

Or he was tipped off?

This is the issue, closing ranks. Who ever tipped him off should go to jail for life, would send a very strong message, don't cover for killer cops.

Why would it be a tip-off to him? What about if someone he worked with perfectly innocently said [i]fk, they think it's someone in this nick![i].

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citizensm1th said:

TheJimi said:

You'd have thought that an experienced cop, of all people, would have had at least a fighting chance of getting away with murder.

I mean, reading what evidence has been reported so far, it's almost as if he wanted to get caught for it.

I would not be surprised at that to be honest neither would I be surprised to find out the poor girl was not the first he had assulted

He'll have been punching his wife about for years.

[AJL308]

carinaman said:

The Spruce Goose said:

This whole thing reeks of cover up. The modus operandi of perverted killer cops like him, follows the same as all perverted killers, they start with peeping, then flashing, then rape murder.

The thing is if he had been treated like a civilian instead of the closed ranks police, this innocent murder victim would be alive today, a hard pill to swallow by some, who would always back the police whatever they do.

People with morality should always stand up for what is right and if that means breaking ranks then so be it.

So there were questions about his conduct but that didn't stop him joining an 'elite' diplomatic corps. and still getting access to guns and ammunition?

It doesn't really make sense does it?

This is the real point; this isn't just a case of a police officer committing an unspeakable act, it's a police officer in an unusually high-trust unit who is in direct daily contact with highly sensitive individuals who's safety is of the utmost importance. A person who is entrusted to protect them has shown himself to be utterly contemptuous of human life. Moreover, it has been shown that some very serious questions should have been asked about this guy on multiple occasions! This isn't a case of an otherwise respectable bloke having a sudden and unforeseen break with reality.

Heads should roll over this but....they won't.

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CoolHands said:

Vasco said:

Unless I've missed something has there been any suggestion as to *why* she would have got in the car?

I was thinking that - she was a young fit girl so not the easiest to attack. I think he must have got her into his car using his police badge. Perhaps he had on a police vest as well etc in order to convince her. After that he had her.

Has this been discussed? Known?

Definitely this or some variation thereof.

[hidetheelephants]

citizensm1th said:

TheJimi said:

You'd have thought that an experienced cop, of all people, would have had at least a fighting chance of getting away with murder.

I mean, reading what evidence has been reported so far, it's almost as if he wanted to get caught for it.

I would not be surprised at that to be honest neither would I be surprised to find out the poor girl was not the first he had assulted

Given the snail trail of evidence he left behind why would it be reasonable to assume he's not only previously committed similar crimes but done so in a way that left no trace at all/successfully incriminated someone else?

[CoolHands]

The times writing a lot of stuff it seems he planned it for at least 3 days prior, ordered carpet protection off Amazon to cover up the interior of the car etc

[N7GTX]

hidetheelephants said:

citizensm1th said:

TheJimi said:

You'd have thought that an experienced cop, of all people, would have had at least a fighting chance of getting away with murder.

I mean, reading what evidence has been reported so far, it's almost as if he wanted to get caught for it.

I would not be surprised at that to be honest neither would I be surprised to find out the poor girl was not the first he had assulted

Given the snail trail of evidence he left behind why would it be reasonable to assume he's not only previously committed similar crimes but done so in a way that left no trace at all/successfully incriminated someone else?

His first suspected incident was 2015. I think its safe to assume he had been carrying out low level sex crimes for a good while before this. And following it, he may have gone quiet for a short time before carrying on again. I think he will have progressed a bit more with each incident and the fact he got away with each one will have given him the belief he would not get caught. I'd also guess there are dozens of indecent exposures that were never reported or if they were, never investigated. I'd be surprised if there are not some indecent assaults that were either not reported or not investigated properly. That would have given him the idea he could go a bit further and eventually raping and killing. I don't think you wake up one day and say I'm going to rape and kill. Its a progression and if he has planned it as seems likely, he was out of control so facing a big sentence.

[V8covin]

Clearly a premeditated murder.
The noose would be the most appropriate sentence

[AJL308]

V8covin said:

Clearly a premeditated murder.
The noose would be the most appropriate sentence

All murders are pre-meditated in British law. Malice aforethought and all that.

Edited by AJL308 on Saturday 10th July 10:51

[AudiMan9000]

AJL308 said:

V8covin said:

Clearly a premeditated murder.
The noose would be the most appropriate sentence

All murders are pre-meditated in British law. Malice aforethought and all that.

Edited by AJL308 on Saturday 10th July 10:51

Incorrect. Murder does not have to be pre-meditated in English law.

[mattyn1]

AudiMan9000 said:

Incorrect. Murder does not have to be pre-meditated in English law.

This is interesting, most of my legal knowledge comes from here but I always thought it was the case. Could I please ask you explain?

[V8covin]

mattyn1 said:

This is interesting, most of my legal knowledge comes from here but I always thought it was the case. Could I please ask you explain?

Murder is intent to kill.
Premeditated means it was planned in advance

[Gecko1978]

I wonder how many people have gotten away with murder. I mean if you planned it out like he did and killed someone far away from where you lived would you get away with it. What % of murders are solved. Like the chef claudia Lawrence is she still not missing presumed dead

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Gecko1978 said:

I wonder how many people have gotten away with murder. I mean if you planned it out like he did and killed someone far away from where you lived would you get away with it. What % of murders are solved. Like the chef claudia Lawrence is she still not missing presumed dead

I can't imagine ever getting away with a major crime you committed using a vehicle you hired yourself, even if you hired it from a distant place like Couzens seems to have done.

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V8covin said:

mattyn1 said:

This is interesting, most of my legal knowledge comes from here but I always thought it was the case. Could I please ask you explain?

Murder is intent to kill.
Premeditated means it was planned in advance

The intent is the pre-meditation element in law. They are the same thing.

Murder can also be death as a result of causing GBH. It still has to be an intentional act though. This is why you don't get charged with murder if you cause a car accident which results in death. You did not intend to kill or cause GBH.

[lonny]

I’m surprised a policeman in London wouldn’t know that buses have cameras constantly recording - Levi Bellfield was caught by one of them so stay off the bus routes.
Also, if you are up to no good then leave your phone at home so it doesn’t track your movements. He’s definitely not the sharpest knife in the drawer.