CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 11)
Discussion
gizlaroc said:
Oakey said:
jshell said:
I did and he's talking alien false-flag attacks... 
Gizlaroc keeps trying to convince everyone he's not a conspiracy loon, then posts up links by conspiracy loons...I posted the things that are going round to cast doubt.
The issue is, so many things from those in charge are so obviously lies, when that happens then of course people start to question what is actually real.
If they just told the truth in the first place there would be less reason to distrust them.
Roman Rhodes said:
It does seem extraordinary that people get so immersed in their own conviction of being right (and the majority of people being wrong) that they clutch at any old (already debunked) nonsense to support their point of view. This thread is a great example, anyone not convinced that society and the economy have been DESTROYED, all rights and civil liberties have been REMOVED is a troll. If these things haven't happened quite yet just you watch, they will soon - its a slippery slope and Nazi Germany wasn't built in a day!
Choose victimhood and invent your own facts (Delhi only has 109 ICU beds!) if you like. Just don't object when other people get on with their lives and point out that being a drama queen is an odd way to carry on.
It seems Troll is the standard response from those doom mongers who get challenged here. Choose victimhood and invent your own facts (Delhi only has 109 ICU beds!) if you like. Just don't object when other people get on with their lives and point out that being a drama queen is an odd way to carry on.
I wonder whether in a couple of years time when this is past and we are pretty much back to normal whether they will have forgotten their angst or will find some other issue to support their seeming negativity.
Tankrizzo said:
320d is all you need said:
. Have those things not happened?
Was it legal to see your friends or family most of last year and into 2021?
Was it legal to have sex with someone you don't live with?
Were police setting up road blocks and patrolling public spots to "check up" on where you are from /what you're doing?
Were you being actively encouraged to snitch on your neighbours for breaking rules?
Have police been enforcing "guidelines" as law?
I could go on.
Roman Rhodes said:
That would sound quite reasoned if you weren't going off seeking out definite untruths to spread around as facts. Even if "those in charge" are telling lies, how are you helping by telling more?
It's blatantly obvious what sort of sites he's frequenting for information, he previously said "let's wait a few years and see" in regards to vaccines after Mike Yeadon claimed everyone who had been vaccinated would be dead within a couple of years320d is all you need said:
Funny?
Was it legal to see your friends or family most of last year and into 2021?
Was it legal to have sex with someone you don't live with?
Were police setting up road blocks and patrolling public spots to "check up" on where you are from /what you're doing?
Were you being actively encouraged to snitch on your neighbours for breaking rules?
Have police been enforcing "guidelines" as law?
I could go on.
Just think, your liberty's been hurt so mega ultra hard that 30k of you were allowed to walk through the streets of London calling Matt Hancock a Was it legal to see your friends or family most of last year and into 2021?
Was it legal to have sex with someone you don't live with?
Were police setting up road blocks and patrolling public spots to "check up" on where you are from /what you're doing?
Were you being actively encouraged to snitch on your neighbours for breaking rules?
Have police been enforcing "guidelines" as law?
I could go on.
.Ntv said:
It's called loss of output.
Think cumulative.
I understand cumulative and we as a nation voted for a cumulative impact just 5 years ago.Think cumulative.
There is no reason why the UK cannot regain that output especially as most of the developed world has suffered also so the UK should drive to rebound more quickly.
320d is all you need said:
Tankrizzo said:
320d is all you need said:
. Have those things not happened?
Was it legal to see your friends or family most of last year and into 2021?
Was it legal to have sex with someone you don't live with?
Were police setting up road blocks and patrolling public spots to "check up" on where you are from /what you're doing?
Were you being actively encouraged to snitch on your neighbours for breaking rules?
Have police been enforcing "guidelines" as law?
I could go on.
Oakey said:
gizlaroc said:
Someone was asking why people don't think what is going on is real.
I posted the things that are going round to cast doubt.
The issue is, so many things from those in charge are so obviously lies, when that happens then of course people start to question what is actually real.
If they just told the truth in the first place there would be less reason to distrust them.
Right, and you just happened to have that copypasta as an example because you sought it out to make a point, not because you're frequenting the type of sites or groups posting this nonsense? I posted the things that are going round to cast doubt.
The issue is, so many things from those in charge are so obviously lies, when that happens then of course people start to question what is actually real.
If they just told the truth in the first place there would be less reason to distrust them.
No idea what to think on lots of things anymore to do with this.
But I simply searched for "CDC sued for fraud" as had seen this before, and this site seemed to have a few things all summed up on a page, so copied and pasted it.
None of us know what is going on. Anyone who says they do is a t
t, no matter which angle they are coming from. Roman Rhodes said:
320d is all you need said:
Tankrizzo said:
320d is all you need said:
. Have those things not happened?
Was it legal to see your friends or family most of last year and into 2021?
Was it legal to have sex with someone you don't live with?
Were police setting up road blocks and patrolling public spots to "check up" on where you are from /what you're doing?
Were you being actively encouraged to snitch on your neighbours for breaking rules?
Have police been enforcing "guidelines" as law?
I could go on.
markyb_lcy said:
poo at Paul's said:
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
TellYaWhatItIs said:
Same for me.
I will resist and even if it comes to it I will lose my job before being coerced into taking an experimental vaccine.
My boat may be a little harder to row going forward but that is my choice. The easy path is not always the correct one. .
They’ve stopped trying to force the vaccine on staff where my wife works (hospital). They’ve had a 35% uptake following an aggressive push, with many responding by threatening to walk if made to have it. Hopefully this nonsense will stop soon as it’s ridiculous. I will resist and even if it comes to it I will lose my job before being coerced into taking an experimental vaccine.
My boat may be a little harder to row going forward but that is my choice. The easy path is not always the correct one. .
Per the BMJ.
"Data from NHS England show that 86% (1?187?805 of 1?378?502) of healthcare workers directly employed by the NHS received their first dose by 11 April"
So how many people who work in the NHS are not directly employed by the NHS?
markyb_lcy said:
Obsolete Driver said:
markyb_lcy said:
That’s quite the pivot from “historical vaccines are safe so this one must be” and “vaccines can’t possibly be more dangerous than the virus they seek to vaccinate against”, to “paracetamol can kill”.
Sorry, are you saying the vaccination is more dangerous than the virus?gizlaroc said:
Oakey said:
gizlaroc said:
Someone was asking why people don't think what is going on is real.
I posted the things that are going round to cast doubt.
The issue is, so many things from those in charge are so obviously lies, when that happens then of course people start to question what is actually real.
If they just told the truth in the first place there would be less reason to distrust them.
Right, and you just happened to have that copypasta as an example because you sought it out to make a point, not because you're frequenting the type of sites or groups posting this nonsense? I posted the things that are going round to cast doubt.
The issue is, so many things from those in charge are so obviously lies, when that happens then of course people start to question what is actually real.
If they just told the truth in the first place there would be less reason to distrust them.
No idea what to think on lots of things anymore to do with this.
But I simply searched for "CDC sued for fraud" as had seen this before, and this site seemed to have a few things all summed up on a page, so copied and pasted it.
None of us know what is going on. Anyone who says they do is a t
t, no matter which angle they are coming from. t crazy in order to make sense of the motives and machinations behind much of this.So what are the odds of this
Sons school of 750 did the testing post Easter in school and found 0 cases
Last 5 days of at home testing there have been 8 positive tests. No clusters, all isolated cases
We live in craven with low and reducing numbers of covid
This likely to be false positives or a spike in cases?
Sons school of 750 did the testing post Easter in school and found 0 cases
Last 5 days of at home testing there have been 8 positive tests. No clusters, all isolated cases
We live in craven with low and reducing numbers of covid
This likely to be false positives or a spike in cases?
dangerousB said:
This has gotten drowned out with people arguing about who believes in lizardpeople unfortunately. Very interesting read about the real technicalities of exactly how deaths get classified as covid deaths, how various checks and balances were removed and essentially the scales weighted extremely heavily in favour of reporting a death as being covid.
All this was implemented last year as new changes moving away from established procedure, by the NHS and WHO.
If we dismiss the lizardpeople and corrupt elite takeover angles and assume that health organisations are doing what they believe is best to help humanity, it looks to me like a panicked response to a presumed incredibly dangerous virus, where we would have huge casualty numbers and shortage of medical staff available to assess them. In this scenario it would be vital to keep death recording as easy as possible to ensure we aren’t missing any, and case tracking simplified to make sure we have eyes on the progress of the virus among the population so we are prepared to respond.
Unfortunately this also means we were vulnerable to hugely over-reporting a disease that did not turn out to be as dangerous as first thought. In over-reporting it, we kept its apparent danger higher than it truly is, creating a feedback loop - we report it because it’s so dangerous, yet it seems so dangerous only because we report it. Is the WHO acting like a hypochondriac?
The mysteries as I see it:
1. In the tweaking of death reporting criteria and processes, why was it biased towards implying deaths were unambiguously covid deaths when there may have been in many cases significant doubt - to manage a disease properly you would WANT this information, so to gloss over it is either malicious or negligent.
2. Why this wasn’t all unravelled when the facts started to come in around the summer last year, and we saw evidentially that covid was of little risk to the healthy working age population.
The answers to those questions are up to you of course.
Leicester Loyal said:
Keep seeing people saying we shouldn't be protesting or opening up because of what's happening in India 
I haven't got the strength to bother arguing anymore, I'm just letting them get on with it.
Yep. Even some family & friends who I thought had a reasonably high IQ are going with this. Fair enough, halt flights from India, but lockdown in sympathy????? I haven't got the strength to bother arguing anymore, I'm just letting them get on with it. Biker 1 said:
Leicester Loyal said:
Keep seeing people saying we shouldn't be protesting or opening up because of what's happening in India I haven't got the strength to bother arguing anymore, I'm just letting them get on with it.
Yep. Even some family & friends who I thought had a reasonably high IQ are going with this. Fair enough, halt flights from India, but lockdown in sympathy????? I haven't got the strength to bother arguing anymore, I'm just letting them get on with it. What amazes me is that is the narrative that the media appear to be trying to push and those who lack logical and critical thought are falling for it- yet again.
Yes, we should send aid and help them out with ventilators etc but as doing anything in the U.K. will make no difference at all.
Ntv said:
isaldiri said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Well, here's my crackpot conspiracy theory.
The first wave in the UK really was Covid 19. It filled the hospitals and took a lot of the vulnerable. Then it disappeared, much like SARS did and much like Swine Flu.
The powers that be across the world saw an opportunity to move other agendas on.
As we move into the northern hemisphere winter, the ordinary process of flu kicked in and by January the hospitals were getting pressured, as they do every year during a heavy flu season. Except, we didn't call it flu this time, we rebranded it 'Covid'.
By morphing Flu into Covid, you have a predictable annual flow of potential disaster allowing you to justify ever more ongoing draconian measures, ostensibly to protect us from this vicious mutating disease, but ultimately a vehicle to justify climate measures that would otherwise see governments voted out.
Well you certainly are right about the crackpot bit.The first wave in the UK really was Covid 19. It filled the hospitals and took a lot of the vulnerable. Then it disappeared, much like SARS did and much like Swine Flu.
The powers that be across the world saw an opportunity to move other agendas on.
As we move into the northern hemisphere winter, the ordinary process of flu kicked in and by January the hospitals were getting pressured, as they do every year during a heavy flu season. Except, we didn't call it flu this time, we rebranded it 'Covid'.
By morphing Flu into Covid, you have a predictable annual flow of potential disaster allowing you to justify ever more ongoing draconian measures, ostensibly to protect us from this vicious mutating disease, but ultimately a vehicle to justify climate measures that would otherwise see governments voted out.
We had more people in ICU for covid over the second wave and nearly 2x the number due to any flu season in living memory. But it definitely was flu.....ah well.
Value lives equally?
Ethical foundation?
And perhaps you might want to read my post a little more carefully. I made no comment on the cost or whether it was proportional re covid response (and it has been utterly stupid).
Merely that only a crackpot would actually think the second wave of the outbreak last year was flu given what happened with ICU numbers and excess deaths.
Nickgnome said:
Ashfordian said:
It is clear you understand what you have just posted and what this means in the long term.
Simply put, it would be almost impossible for the economy not grow this year compared to the way the government intentionally cratered it in 2020...
The £400bn spent in the last 12 months is 14% of yearly GDP. That is £400bn of future spending removed and this number is only going to rise with the huge hole in future tax receipts
Is it £400bn? I thought it was less than £300bn but I stand corrected if your number is correct. Simply put, it would be almost impossible for the economy not grow this year compared to the way the government intentionally cratered it in 2020...
The £400bn spent in the last 12 months is 14% of yearly GDP. That is £400bn of future spending removed and this number is only going to rise with the huge hole in future tax receipts
Why will there will be a huge hole in tax receipts if the economy bounces back in the way described. Brexit has caused some short term challenges but we have to hope those problems will be overcome.
Let's call it £400bn so far.
The bolded point highlights what everyone says about you being unable to see outside of your narrow bubble.
Very few, if anyone in the hospitality industry, which is huge, will have made any profit in the last 12 months, and they will have tax losses to carry forward for future years thus compounding the issue.
As an example, my barber has made no money this year. That is 15k less tax and that is just one tiny example.
Even the IT industry which you would think must have grown in the last 12 months, has shrunk 5% overall because there have been fewer customers for their services.
Tesco were down £800m in profits. How much lost tax is that for the exchequer?
All the above is less money available to spend on the likes of healthcare going forward. This is the bigger, longer term picture.
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