Derek Chauvin Trial
Discussion
Vickers_VC10 said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-5698975...
Anyone know why BBC chose to word that opening paragraph as such?
Was about to to post the same. Anyone know why BBC chose to word that opening paragraph as such?
“The white former Minneapolis police officer convicted last month of the murder of the black man George Floyd“
Rather than
“The former Minneapolis police officer convicted last month of the murder of George Floyd“
Journalists trying to incite race issues?
The DOJ are preparing further new charges against Chauvin and the other 3.
The Department of Justice planned to arrest former Minneapolis police office Derek Chauvin at the courthouse if he had not been found guilty of murdering George Floyd last week. He was, however, and he is now in jail awaiting sentencing. Now the DOJ is continuing to build its case against the white former officer and plans to charge him and the three other officers involved in Floyd’s death—J. Alexander Kueng, Thomas Lane, and Tou Thao—with federal civil rights violations,
https://www.startribune.com/feds-plan-to-indict-ch...
The second arrest that has been the subject of the federal investigation is lesser known. It was captured on body-camera footage, which prosecutors for the state's case described in court documents, citing it as evidence of Chauvin's brand of violent policing when dealing with suspects who refuse to bend to his will. The video has not been publicly released, but it is described in court records.
On Sept. 4, 2017, Chauvin and another officer responded to a domestic assault, in which a mother said her juvenile son and daughter assaulted her. The officers arrived to find the 14-year-old son lying on the floor in the back of the house, on his phone, and ordered him to get up because he was under arrest.
When the boy refused to comply, Chauvin grabbed him and wordlessly struck the teen in the head with his flashlight multiple times. The video shows Chauvin using a neck restraint, choking the boy unconscious, then placing him in a prone position with a knee in his back for about 17 minutes until paramedics arrived, according to court documents.
In a scene reminiscent of the Floyd arrest, Chauvin held the position even after the child told him that he was in pain and couldn't breathe, and after the mother tried to intervene, prosecutors said. At one point, the boy started bleeding from his ear — from getting hit with the flashlight, he later told paramedics — and he asked to be flipped on his back. He then began crying and again asked to be flipped over, prompting Chauvin to ask if the boy would be "flopping around at all."
"No," the boy responded.
"Better not," Chauvin said. He kept his knee on the child's back.
The Department of Justice planned to arrest former Minneapolis police office Derek Chauvin at the courthouse if he had not been found guilty of murdering George Floyd last week. He was, however, and he is now in jail awaiting sentencing. Now the DOJ is continuing to build its case against the white former officer and plans to charge him and the three other officers involved in Floyd’s death—J. Alexander Kueng, Thomas Lane, and Tou Thao—with federal civil rights violations,
https://www.startribune.com/feds-plan-to-indict-ch...
The second arrest that has been the subject of the federal investigation is lesser known. It was captured on body-camera footage, which prosecutors for the state's case described in court documents, citing it as evidence of Chauvin's brand of violent policing when dealing with suspects who refuse to bend to his will. The video has not been publicly released, but it is described in court records.
On Sept. 4, 2017, Chauvin and another officer responded to a domestic assault, in which a mother said her juvenile son and daughter assaulted her. The officers arrived to find the 14-year-old son lying on the floor in the back of the house, on his phone, and ordered him to get up because he was under arrest.
When the boy refused to comply, Chauvin grabbed him and wordlessly struck the teen in the head with his flashlight multiple times. The video shows Chauvin using a neck restraint, choking the boy unconscious, then placing him in a prone position with a knee in his back for about 17 minutes until paramedics arrived, according to court documents.
In a scene reminiscent of the Floyd arrest, Chauvin held the position even after the child told him that he was in pain and couldn't breathe, and after the mother tried to intervene, prosecutors said. At one point, the boy started bleeding from his ear — from getting hit with the flashlight, he later told paramedics — and he asked to be flipped on his back. He then began crying and again asked to be flipped over, prompting Chauvin to ask if the boy would be "flopping around at all."
"No," the boy responded.
"Better not," Chauvin said. He kept his knee on the child's back.
Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 5th May 12:34
Stigproducts said:
rockin said:
Stigproducts said:
That judge was scared or corrupt and very keen to push things in one direction.
I hear he's quite hot on the law of defamation and plans to bankrupt any "Internet Experts" who make reckless accusations of impropriety. rockin said:
I hear he's quite hot on the law of defamation and plans to bankrupt any "Internet Experts" who make reckless accusations of impropriety.
haha - you do realise that by you copying and reposting what the other guy said puts you in the spot light as well for defamation if said judge is so gung ho.Edited by superlightr on Wednesday 5th May 12:41
Byker28i said:
Except that to piss on your strawberries, Judge Peter Cahill repeatedly expressed frustration during jury selection in Chauvin's murder trial about the announcement of a $27 million payout from the city of Minneapolis to Floyd's family. As a result, two seated jurors had to be dismissed because they said it affected their ability to be impartial.
Not sure exactly how that pisses on my strawberries- you make no sense in the context of the quotes? Does that mean the judge is going to sue me? Why & How? I'm really concerned about this, please tell me it isn't so.An alternate judge could have decided, the minute that money was paid, that there was no chance of giving a fair trail under those circumstances. Just another example of why this whole circus could have been stopped.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/atlanta-board...
"Officer Rolfe was entitled, both as an officer and a citizen, to respond to Rayshard Brooks' aggravated assault with deadly force," "Officer Rolfe continues to look forward to the opportunity to prove that his actions were legally justified."
Knee jerk, populist, mob driven, unlawful decision gets reversed. Well, well, well.
Never mind a good mans life has been ruined or millions of tax payers money that could have been used to support deprived communities is going to be wasted. I'm sure Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms and then-interim police Chief Rodney Bryant will both fall on their swords for their incompetence.
"SAY THEIR NAME, SAY THEIR NAME"
"Garrett Rolfe"
"Officer Rolfe was entitled, both as an officer and a citizen, to respond to Rayshard Brooks' aggravated assault with deadly force," "Officer Rolfe continues to look forward to the opportunity to prove that his actions were legally justified."
Knee jerk, populist, mob driven, unlawful decision gets reversed. Well, well, well.
Never mind a good mans life has been ruined or millions of tax payers money that could have been used to support deprived communities is going to be wasted. I'm sure Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms and then-interim police Chief Rodney Bryant will both fall on their swords for their incompetence.
"SAY THEIR NAME, SAY THEIR NAME"
"Garrett Rolfe"
Stigproducts said:
My opinion having followed the trial, but not watched it online, is that the 2 murder charges were a clear "not guilty" and the manslaughter one presented a clear case for acquittal should the jury so be inclined. I saw plenty of reasonable doubts that could tipped the balance.
That judge was scared or corrupt and very keen to push things in one direction.
Chauvin should have taken the stand and put his side of the story; we still don't know what the rationale for his actions was.In his mind they must have been reasonable - he knew he was being filmed.
However, it should never have begun as it did. Any trial where the jurors know their names and addresses will be published at the end, and have to walk through a howling and violent mob (encouraged by senior politicians) on their way in, is never going to be fair. That's one reasons of many while the whole thing was a charade.
That judge was scared or corrupt and very keen to push things in one direction.
Chauvin should have taken the stand and put his side of the story; we still don't know what the rationale for his actions was.In his mind they must have been reasonable - he knew he was being filmed.
However, it should never have begun as it did. Any trial where the jurors know their names and addresses will be published at the end, and have to walk through a howling and violent mob (encouraged by senior politicians) on their way in, is never going to be fair. That's one reasons of many while the whole thing was a charade.
F1GTRUeno said:
stitched said:
This subject annoys the hell out of me.
I don't have any black friends or work mates.
I don't have any Asian friends or work mates.
I don't have any eastern european friends or work mates.
I don't have any white, japanese or chinese friends or work mates.
I just have friends and workmates.
I agree that people are given less opportunity if they are from a different background than the indiginous people.
I have never done that, but recognise it is a problem, however bringing it up all the time is a negative force on equality.
What do you do when one of said friends reports that they’ve been racially abused? Just tell them they’re ‘a person’ and tell them to get on with it?I don't have any black friends or work mates.
I don't have any Asian friends or work mates.
I don't have any eastern european friends or work mates.
I don't have any white, japanese or chinese friends or work mates.
I just have friends and workmates.
I agree that people are given less opportunity if they are from a different background than the indiginous people.
I have never done that, but recognise it is a problem, however bringing it up all the time is a negative force on equality.
' it was reported to both myself and higher authorities, against my wishes I was made to take him to disciplinary and issue a final written warning.I do not think that this situation was what we brought in equality laws for.
Everyone in the workplace I manage is treated differently, some need assistance with calculations, some are poor at english spelling, some have poor co ordination.
Targeted training can help.
However not a single one is treated better or worse for their ethnicity, it is irrelevant.
Touring442 said:
Stigproducts said:
My opinion having followed the trial, but not watched it online, is that the 2 murder charges were a clear "not guilty" and the manslaughter one presented a clear case for acquittal should the jury so be inclined. I saw plenty of reasonable doubts that could tipped the balance.
That judge was scared or corrupt and very keen to push things in one direction.
Chauvin should have taken the stand and put his side of the story; we still don't know what the rationale for his actions was.In his mind they must have been reasonable - he knew he was being filmed.
However, it should never have begun as it did. Any trial where the jurors know their names and addresses will be published at the end, and have to walk through a howling and violent mob (encouraged by senior politicians) on their way in, is never going to be fair. That's one reasons of many while the whole thing was a charade.
That judge was scared or corrupt and very keen to push things in one direction.
Chauvin should have taken the stand and put his side of the story; we still don't know what the rationale for his actions was.In his mind they must have been reasonable - he knew he was being filmed.
However, it should never have begun as it did. Any trial where the jurors know their names and addresses will be published at the end, and have to walk through a howling and violent mob (encouraged by senior politicians) on their way in, is never going to be fair. That's one reasons of many while the whole thing was a charade.
Can't find any reason for him getting away with his actions
Thing is, this is the USA, anything is possible
Stigproducts said:
Byker28i said:
Except that to piss on your strawberries, Judge Peter Cahill repeatedly expressed frustration during jury selection in Chauvin's murder trial about the announcement of a $27 million payout from the city of Minneapolis to Floyd's family. As a result, two seated jurors had to be dismissed because they said it affected their ability to be impartial.
Not sure exactly how that pisses on my strawberries- you make no sense in the context of the quotes? Does that mean the judge is going to sue me? Why & How? I'm really concerned about this, please tell me it isn't so.An alternate judge could have decided, the minute that money was paid, that there was no chance of giving a fair trail under those circumstances. Just another example of why this whole circus could have been stopped.
You ignore the previous incidents of Chauvin, yet want to bring up everything about Floyd...
You ignore the evidence presented...
Byker28i said:
Stigproducts said:
Byker28i said:
Except that to piss on your strawberries, Judge Peter Cahill repeatedly expressed frustration during jury selection in Chauvin's murder trial about the announcement of a $27 million payout from the city of Minneapolis to Floyd's family. As a result, two seated jurors had to be dismissed because they said it affected their ability to be impartial.
Not sure exactly how that pisses on my strawberries- you make no sense in the context of the quotes? Does that mean the judge is going to sue me? Why & How? I'm really concerned about this, please tell me it isn't so.An alternate judge could have decided, the minute that money was paid, that there was no chance of giving a fair trail under those circumstances. Just another example of why this whole circus could have been stopped.
You ignore the previous incidents of Chauvin, yet want to bring up everything about Floyd...
You ignore the evidence presented...
"everything shows he was neutral. " In your opinion. I disagree
"You ignore the previous incidents of Chauvin, yet want to bring up everything about Floyd..." I really don't recall mentioning either. Show me where
"You ignore the evidence presented." - No, I interpret it differently from you and have formed a different opinion.
You need to get some perspective, on this subject, t-Trump and generally.
-Your opinion is not a fact
-Neither is mine
-People are allowed to disagree; it's called "diversity" something I would have thought you were all in favor of? It is a good thing.
-Saying someone said something, when they didn't, makes your argument weaker, not stronger and reflects badly on you.
Chauvin was separately indicted today for choking a teenager and beating him with a flashlight many years ago.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-mn/press-release/file...
https://www.justice.gov/usao-mn/press-release/file...
And theres a federal indictment of Chauvin and the other officers
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/george-floy...
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/george-floy...
pb3000 said:
gazza285 said:
It is a shame Chauvin's behaviour was not pulled up earlier, he might not have become so emboldened to continue with his brutality.
It is a shame also that three other cops msy be taken down in the fallout from Chauvin's fall from grace.Lucas CAV said:
pb3000 said:
gazza285 said:
It is a shame Chauvin's behaviour was not pulled up earlier, he might not have become so emboldened to continue with his brutality.
It is a shame also that three other cops msy be taken down in the fallout from Chauvin's fall from grace.The other two had I believe just a few weeks or months service and DC was a mentor to one (I think) so they presumably just followed DC's instructions and lead. Even so, they should have taken a decision to get GF upright, put him back in the patrol and taken him away even if he continued to say 'I can't breathe'. He would not have died in the back of the patrol.
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