No evidence the UK is institutionally racist
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Isn't this our race debate all over? A report by specially appointed team of overwhelmingly non white people went looking for institutional racism and didn't find any, so a bunch of mostly white journalists from the Guardian and the BBC decide they are wrong, and the UN join in to say these Uncle Toms are all white supremacists.
FRO.
FRO.
Sporky said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: There was a thread on it.
People struggled to differentiate between the message "black lives matter" and the organisation "black lives matter" so if you take the knee as a footballer you're supporting marxists rather than simply being against racism etc.
Standard right wing authoritarian approach that - conflate anything you don't like with a not-really-related bunch of extremists, and use that confusion to shout down any attempt to treat people with some basic respect. When they're losing an argument they go for the people instead.People struggled to differentiate between the message "black lives matter" and the organisation "black lives matter" so if you take the knee as a footballer you're supporting marxists rather than simply being against racism etc.
I can think that "black lives matter" without supporting "black lives matter".
Doesn't seem difficult but lots of people seem to go all Scanners at the idea of holding two opposing thoughts at the same time
blackrabbit said:
Sporky said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: There was a thread on it.
People struggled to differentiate between the message "black lives matter" and the organisation "black lives matter" so if you take the knee as a footballer you're supporting marxists rather than simply being against racism etc.
Standard right wing authoritarian approach that - conflate anything you don't like with a not-really-related bunch of extremists, and use that confusion to shout down any attempt to treat people with some basic respect. When they're losing an argument they go for the people instead.People struggled to differentiate between the message "black lives matter" and the organisation "black lives matter" so if you take the knee as a footballer you're supporting marxists rather than simply being against racism etc.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Isn't this our race debate all over? A report by specially appointed team of overwhelmingly non white people went looking for institutional racism and didn't find any, so a bunch of mostly white journalists from the Guardian and the BBC decide they are wrong, and the UN join in to say these Uncle Toms are all white supremacists.
FRO.
Well and would it be rude to ask, as Steerpike does in the Speccy, why were all those UN clowns and their fellow travellers so quiet when China was being elected to the UN Human Rights Council along with Russia. You know that China that has been accused of many human rights abuses against the Uighur Muslims. 280 "re-education" camps and worse.FRO.
To be fair the Guardian covered that though most of its coverage was aimed at Saudi Arabian failure to get elected. Stuff all from BBC though apart from something 5/6 years ago at least according my googling.
FRO indeed.
FiF said:
Well and would it be rude to ask, as Steerpike does in the Speccy, why were all those UN clowns and their fellow travellers so quiet when China was being elected to the UN Human Rights Council along with Russia. You know that China that has been accused of many human rights abuses against the Uighur Muslims. 280 "re-education" camps and worse.
To be fair the Guardian covered that though most of its coverage was aimed at Saudi Arabian failure to get elected. Stuff all from BBC though apart from something 5/6 years ago at least according my googling.
FRO indeed.
More than rude, I imagine that would be racist.To be fair the Guardian covered that though most of its coverage was aimed at Saudi Arabian failure to get elected. Stuff all from BBC though apart from something 5/6 years ago at least according my googling.
FRO indeed.
One of the panel members giving a full interview here...
https://youtu.be/AYGfNVtZvzA
You don't have to agree with her politics or her analyses of data but I think we should all take a minute to agree she's hard to dislike, certainly puts Diane Abbot in the shade.
https://youtu.be/AYGfNVtZvzA
You don't have to agree with her politics or her analyses of data but I think we should all take a minute to agree she's hard to dislike, certainly puts Diane Abbot in the shade.
Sporky said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: There was a thread on it.
People struggled to differentiate between the message "black lives matter" and the organisation "black lives matter" so if you take the knee as a footballer you're supporting marxists rather than simply being against racism etc.
Standard right wing authoritarian approach that - conflate anything you don't like with a not-really-related bunch of extremists, and use that confusion to shout down any attempt to treat people with some basic respect. When they're losing an argument they go for the people instead.People struggled to differentiate between the message "black lives matter" and the organisation "black lives matter" so if you take the knee as a footballer you're supporting marxists rather than simply being against racism etc.
98elise said:
Sporky said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: There was a thread on it.
People struggled to differentiate between the message "black lives matter" and the organisation "black lives matter" so if you take the knee as a footballer you're supporting marxists rather than simply being against racism etc.
Standard right wing authoritarian approach that - conflate anything you don't like with a not-really-related bunch of extremists, and use that confusion to shout down any attempt to treat people with some basic respect. When they're losing an argument they go for the people instead.People struggled to differentiate between the message "black lives matter" and the organisation "black lives matter" so if you take the knee as a footballer you're supporting marxists rather than simply being against racism etc.
People are really jumping through hoops to try to pretend two things aren't linked now one has become a bit inconvenient.
You only know the slogan because it was front and centre of a campaign of protest pushed by the organisation. The slogan didn't emerge and then get used for the protests, it came from a political movement for the start.
Should be a clue that it's political just from the sheer meaninglessness of it; three catchy words that you'd struggle to attach a definition to. A bit like Build Back Better...
You only know the slogan because it was front and centre of a campaign of protest pushed by the organisation. The slogan didn't emerge and then get used for the protests, it came from a political movement for the start.
Should be a clue that it's political just from the sheer meaninglessness of it; three catchy words that you'd struggle to attach a definition to. A bit like Build Back Better...
BBC said:
Poorer white pupils neglected for decades, say MPs
"It's nothing short of a scandal" how white working class pupils in England have been "let down and neglected" by the education system for decades, says a hard-hitting report from MPs.
Robert Halfon, education select committee chairman, dismissed "divisive concepts like 'white privilege' that pit one group against another".
Poorer white pupils are falling behind "every step of the way", he warned.
The Department for Education said it was investing in "levelling up".
The report accuses the government of "muddled thinking" in failing to target support at the "forgotten" disadvantaged white pupils - who underachieve from early years through to GCSEs, A-levels and university entry.
Mr Halfon described it as a "major social injustice" that so little attention had been paid to how white pupils on free school meals underachieved compared with free school meals pupils from most other ethnic groups.
"If you think it's about poverty, then it doesn't explain why most other ethnic groups do much better," he said.
Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-57558746"It's nothing short of a scandal" how white working class pupils in England have been "let down and neglected" by the education system for decades, says a hard-hitting report from MPs.
Robert Halfon, education select committee chairman, dismissed "divisive concepts like 'white privilege' that pit one group against another".
Poorer white pupils are falling behind "every step of the way", he warned.
The Department for Education said it was investing in "levelling up".
The report accuses the government of "muddled thinking" in failing to target support at the "forgotten" disadvantaged white pupils - who underachieve from early years through to GCSEs, A-levels and university entry.
Mr Halfon described it as a "major social injustice" that so little attention had been paid to how white pupils on free school meals underachieved compared with free school meals pupils from most other ethnic groups.
"If you think it's about poverty, then it doesn't explain why most other ethnic groups do much better," he said.
I don’t believe that is a class issue personally. I think it’s a city vs town and country issue. The vast majority of ethnic minority poor are located in cities. They and the schools have access to vast public resources. I had a middle class upbringing. I went to a minor public school until the age of 9 or 10 (I forgot exactly what age) then moved to a state school. This was in the late 80s in a mining area that was blighted by the loss of the pits and the steel industry.
I clearly remember seeing programs about “poor inner city” children going to city farms and youth clubs with initiatives to get children in to all sorts of music, sport, dance, performing arts etc. And thinking “what about us”. They talked about these children not having access to the countryside and I remember thinking, even as a young teen, that those living in the countryside don’t go roaming around farms and riding horses. Most of it is fenced off and is as remote to us as it is to someone who lives in Peckham or Tower Hamlets.
I think too many people view the countryside as a lovely rural Turner painting and have no idea of the lack of opportunity there for the young. I also think anything that isn’t a large city gets lumped in with this in the mind of many in power, and they don’t see that 10 miles to a child may as well be the other side of the world.
I clearly remember seeing programs about “poor inner city” children going to city farms and youth clubs with initiatives to get children in to all sorts of music, sport, dance, performing arts etc. And thinking “what about us”. They talked about these children not having access to the countryside and I remember thinking, even as a young teen, that those living in the countryside don’t go roaming around farms and riding horses. Most of it is fenced off and is as remote to us as it is to someone who lives in Peckham or Tower Hamlets.
I think too many people view the countryside as a lovely rural Turner painting and have no idea of the lack of opportunity there for the young. I also think anything that isn’t a large city gets lumped in with this in the mind of many in power, and they don’t see that 10 miles to a child may as well be the other side of the world.
The schools report is just another example of this government blaming someone else for its own failings.
The failures in education are caused by years of chronic underfunding as a result of Tory austerity. This hits the poor (and thus, the white working class poor) hardest. Sadly, Boris and his chums would rather blame lefty teachers for the problem than own up to their own failings.
This is the government, remember, who appointed an expert to help target education policy post pandemic and then forced him to resign when they offered him 10% of the funding he needed.
But it’s ok to spaff £200m on a big boat with a Union Jack on it, apparently…
The failures in education are caused by years of chronic underfunding as a result of Tory austerity. This hits the poor (and thus, the white working class poor) hardest. Sadly, Boris and his chums would rather blame lefty teachers for the problem than own up to their own failings.
This is the government, remember, who appointed an expert to help target education policy post pandemic and then forced him to resign when they offered him 10% of the funding he needed.
But it’s ok to spaff £200m on a big boat with a Union Jack on it, apparently…
jimbobs said:
The schools report is just another example of this government blaming someone else for its own failings.
The failures in education are caused by years of chronic underfunding as a result of Tory austerity. This hits the poor (and thus, the white working class poor) hardest. Sadly, Boris and his chums would rather blame lefty teachers for the problem than own up to their own failings.
This is the government, remember, who appointed an expert to help target education policy post pandemic and then forced him to resign when they offered him 10% of the funding he needed.
But it’s ok to spaff £200m on a big boat with a Union Jack on it, apparently…
Rubbish. If schools were underfunded, no child would be achieving. But when a portion of children are doing well and the kids from the council estate aren't, just maybe it's the parents fault? The failures in education are caused by years of chronic underfunding as a result of Tory austerity. This hits the poor (and thus, the white working class poor) hardest. Sadly, Boris and his chums would rather blame lefty teachers for the problem than own up to their own failings.
This is the government, remember, who appointed an expert to help target education policy post pandemic and then forced him to resign when they offered him 10% of the funding he needed.
But it’s ok to spaff £200m on a big boat with a Union Jack on it, apparently…
Poorer parents read to their kids less. Do less educational activities out of school. Poorer parents make up more single-parent families. It's these life choices that lead to worse outcome for kids. But yeah, blame it on the Tories if it makes you feel better.
If any of what you say was true, the Tories wouldn't keep getting elected.
Trackdayer said:
Rubbish. If schools were underfunded, no child would be achieving. But when a portion of children are doing well and the kids from the council estate aren't, just maybe it's the parents fault?
Poorer parents read to their kids less. Do less educational activities out of school. Poorer parents make up more single-parent families. It's these life choices that lead to worse outcome for kids. But yeah, blame it on the Tories if it makes you feel better.
If any of what you say was true, the Tories wouldn't keep getting elected.
So being a single parent and poor is a life choice?Poorer parents read to their kids less. Do less educational activities out of school. Poorer parents make up more single-parent families. It's these life choices that lead to worse outcome for kids. But yeah, blame it on the Tories if it makes you feel better.
If any of what you say was true, the Tories wouldn't keep getting elected.
Trackdayer said:
Poorer parents read to their kids less. Do less educational activities out of school. Poorer parents make up more single-parent families. It's these life choices that lead to worse outcome for kids. But yeah, blame it on the Tories if it makes you feel better.
You’ve just made my point for me - poorer working class kids need more help at school because they don’t have the resources at home - either physical or emotional. If the government wanted to help them it could do - more support in early years (which has been viciously cut), targeted support in secondary schools, more vocational training etc etc.
The Tories have chosen not to do this, deliberately because they don’t give a s
t about poor kids. Much easier to blame woke teachers and then go and have a wk over a picture of Winston Churchill…jimbobs said:
You’ve just made my point for me - poorer working class kids need more help at school because they don’t have the resources at home - either physical or emotional.
We're in agreement then.Here's a crazy right-wing idea - maybe parents should be responsible for giving their kids the best start in life?
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