Met PC found guilty of neo-Nazi membership
Discussion
Lotobear said:
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hstewie said:
..Cressida Dick has to resign now, surely?hstewie said:
Surely the two of you can come up with a hashtag and unleash your outrage on Twitter, take to the streets, start a petition.
You should forensically examine Cressida Dicks personal life and go back to see if you can pin something on her to get her sacked now, maybe she was late with a library book when she was a teenager, that should be enough according to Twitter............
Or.......grow up......
166 MM Barchetta said:
Lotobear said:
bhstewie said:
..Cressida Dick has to resign now, surely?hstewie said:Surely the two of you can come up with a hashtag and unleash your outrage on Twitter, take to the streets, start a petition.
You should forensically examine Cressida Dicks personal life and go back to see if you can pin something on her to get her sacked now, maybe she was late with a library book when she was a teenager, that should be enough according to Twitter............
Or.......grow up......
paulguitar said:
166 MM Barchetta said:
Lotobear said:
bhstewie said:
..Cressida Dick has to resign now, surely?hstewie said:Surely the two of you can come up with a hashtag and unleash your outrage on Twitter, take to the streets, start a petition.
You should forensically examine Cressida Dicks personal life and go back to see if you can pin something on her to get her sacked now, maybe she was late with a library book when she was a teenager, that should be enough according to Twitter............
Or.......grow up......
Apologies Loto, I lumped you in there.
I’ll leave the campaign to the painfully predictably “outraged” Stewie....................
166 MM Barchetta said:
I’ll leave the campaign to the painfully predictably “outraged” Stewie....................
Outrage?It's front page news on most sites.
I'd say a serving Police Officer being convicted of being a neo-Nazi and a member of a banned terror group warrants a thread and a simple "bloody hell" doesn't it?
Any profession is going to have outliers
We’ve seen Pilots with faked qualifications, Doctors with faked qualifications, Lawyers and just recently an official interpreter that had no language qualifications ... they all
got through their relevant professions vetting processes
The Police vetting process isn’t as robust as id personally like, it’s not as long winded nor as in-depth as it was years ago ... and in some cases it’s foreshortened but generally it’s ok
It’s a constant battle to ensure that people who are not suitable are weeded out in the selection process and if they get through, they are weeded out during the two year probationary period
There are different levels of vetting and if a PC wants to move into an enhanced role then they will have to go through a far more rigorous vetting process
There are now periodic checks where serving officers have to resubmit all their details to be re vetted
There are systems in place to identity misconduct, unacceptable behaviour and criminal associations
Occasionally officers come to notice through work into known criminals and they will be looked at
I know of particular case where a female DC was found to be in a relationship with a known serious offender .., a lot of work was done and not only was she sacked but also went to prison
In many ways the Police are way more transparent and robust at weeding out the rotten apples than any other profession
Every force has specialist covert units that just look at serving officers ... it’s probably the most observed occupation there is and that includes the computer systems that report everything
I genuinely think initial vetting is too lax and where it has been outsourced it should be brought back in house .. but the Police are very good at weeding out the crap
We’ve seen Pilots with faked qualifications, Doctors with faked qualifications, Lawyers and just recently an official interpreter that had no language qualifications ... they all
got through their relevant professions vetting processes
The Police vetting process isn’t as robust as id personally like, it’s not as long winded nor as in-depth as it was years ago ... and in some cases it’s foreshortened but generally it’s ok
It’s a constant battle to ensure that people who are not suitable are weeded out in the selection process and if they get through, they are weeded out during the two year probationary period
There are different levels of vetting and if a PC wants to move into an enhanced role then they will have to go through a far more rigorous vetting process
There are now periodic checks where serving officers have to resubmit all their details to be re vetted
There are systems in place to identity misconduct, unacceptable behaviour and criminal associations
Occasionally officers come to notice through work into known criminals and they will be looked at
I know of particular case where a female DC was found to be in a relationship with a known serious offender .., a lot of work was done and not only was she sacked but also went to prison
In many ways the Police are way more transparent and robust at weeding out the rotten apples than any other profession
Every force has specialist covert units that just look at serving officers ... it’s probably the most observed occupation there is and that includes the computer systems that report everything
I genuinely think initial vetting is too lax and where it has been outsourced it should be brought back in house .. but the Police are very good at weeding out the crap
Randy Winkman said:
DocJock said:
With 32000 police officers in the Met, there's bound to be a few wrong 'uns.
But there's definitely no institutional racism. That's been proved. Digga said:
Utter disgrace, but sadly no surprise to me. Everything I hear suggests the met is rotten and incompetent to the core.
I took the time to read through some of your previous posts on a variety of subjects and found them both constructive and informative...... and every one is entitled to their opinions...... but a sweeping statement like that above is just wrong......I spent 28 years in the job all of it on the streets.
The last eight dealing with serious sexual predators paedophiles and the like.....now I wasn’t in The Met but worked closely with them from time to time and found the professionalism and dedication second to none.....
I for one never criticise the occupation of another.....and as others have said there are good and bad in all and from time to time these bad apples will surface......but please it’s an insult to slate all in than manner....
Earthdweller said:
Any profession is going to have outliers
We’ve seen Pilots with faked qualifications, Doctors with faked qualifications, Lawyers and just recently an official interpreter that had no language qualifications ... they all
got through their relevant professions vetting processes
The Police vetting process isn’t as robust as id personally like, it’s not as long winded nor as in-depth as it was years ago ... and in some cases it’s foreshortened but generally it’s ok
It’s a constant battle to ensure that people who are not suitable are weeded out in the selection process and if they get through, they are weeded out during the two year probationary period
There are different levels of vetting and if a PC wants to move into an enhanced role then they will have to go through a far more rigorous vetting process
There are now periodic checks where serving officers have to resubmit all their details to be re vetted
There are systems in place to identity misconduct, unacceptable behaviour and criminal associations
Occasionally officers come to notice through work into known criminals and they will be looked at
I know of particular case where a female DC was found to be in a relationship with a known serious offender .., a lot of work was done and not only was she sacked but also went to prison
In many ways the Police are way more transparent and robust at weeding out the rotten apples than any other profession
Every force has specialist covert units that just look at serving officers ... it’s probably the most observed occupation there is and that includes the computer systems that report everything
I genuinely think initial vetting is too lax and where it has been outsourced it should be brought back in house .. but the Police are very good at weeding out the crap
Spot on chap
We’ve seen Pilots with faked qualifications, Doctors with faked qualifications, Lawyers and just recently an official interpreter that had no language qualifications ... they all
got through their relevant professions vetting processes
The Police vetting process isn’t as robust as id personally like, it’s not as long winded nor as in-depth as it was years ago ... and in some cases it’s foreshortened but generally it’s ok
It’s a constant battle to ensure that people who are not suitable are weeded out in the selection process and if they get through, they are weeded out during the two year probationary period
There are different levels of vetting and if a PC wants to move into an enhanced role then they will have to go through a far more rigorous vetting process
There are now periodic checks where serving officers have to resubmit all their details to be re vetted
There are systems in place to identity misconduct, unacceptable behaviour and criminal associations
Occasionally officers come to notice through work into known criminals and they will be looked at
I know of particular case where a female DC was found to be in a relationship with a known serious offender .., a lot of work was done and not only was she sacked but also went to prison
In many ways the Police are way more transparent and robust at weeding out the rotten apples than any other profession
Every force has specialist covert units that just look at serving officers ... it’s probably the most observed occupation there is and that includes the computer systems that report everything
I genuinely think initial vetting is too lax and where it has been outsourced it should be brought back in house .. but the Police are very good at weeding out the crap
Spot on chap
berlintaxi said:
La Liga said:
berlintaxi said:
DocJock said:
With 32000 police officers in the Met, there's bound to be a few wrong 'uns.
Oh, that's absolutely fine then.
Here's being pragmatic.
The police ultimately reflect society, and within a sample 10s of thousands of people some of the bad members of society will find their way in.
Vetting isn't a crystal ball.
DocJock said:
You may think it's fine. I never stated anything of the sort.
An organisation of that size is never going to be 100% upstanding citizens. He lied on his application. When he was caught he was dealt with. What more would you have the Met do?
Due diligence on people they pay to protect the public and represent them? Is it really as simple as lying on your application form to circumvent the checks and balances that should be in place?An organisation of that size is never going to be 100% upstanding citizens. He lied on his application. When he was caught he was dealt with. What more would you have the Met do?
biggbn said:
DocJock said:
You may think it's fine. I never stated anything of the sort.
An organisation of that size is never going to be 100% upstanding citizens. He lied on his application. When he was caught he was dealt with. What more would you have the Met do?
Due diligence on people they pay to protect the public and represent them? Is it really as simple as lying on your application form to circumvent the checks and balances that should be in place?An organisation of that size is never going to be 100% upstanding citizens. He lied on his application. When he was caught he was dealt with. What more would you have the Met do?
If he's lied about being a member of an extreme organisation, then information accessible and known to the police needs to exist to highlight that.
If you're interested in the specifics, here's the 240 page latest APP for vetting: https://library.college.police.uk/docs/college-of-...
coppernorks said:
What's a likely sentence for telling fibs on a job application form ?
I could be in trouble re that bogus geography O level back in 86, I'm too pretty to go to jail, I weep for my bottom.
Lavinia Woodward managed to avoid prison despite stabbing her boyfriend. She was “too bright to be jailed”, you could try going with the “too pretty to be jailed” I could be in trouble re that bogus geography O level back in 86, I'm too pretty to go to jail, I weep for my bottom.
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