King Charles III era now begins!

King Charles III era now begins!

Author
Discussion

vaud

50,648 posts

156 months

Monday 12th April 2021
quotequote all
Stick Legs said:
Problem is if Charles Abdicates then Andrew becomes King...
No he doesn't. Andrew is 8th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_to_the_Br...

Stick Legs

4,962 posts

166 months

Monday 12th April 2021
quotequote all
vaud said:
Stick Legs said:
Problem is if Charles Abdicates then Andrew becomes King...
No he doesn't. Andrew is 8th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_to_the_Br...
But surely Abdication removes his lineage.

Otherwise any offspring of Edward VIII would have a claim.

vaud

50,648 posts

156 months

Monday 12th April 2021
quotequote all
Stick Legs said:
But surely Abdication removes his lineage.

Otherwise any offspring of Edward VIII would have a claim.
I am not a constitutional lawyer but my guess is:

  • He is monarch at the moment of the Queen's passing, he doesn't get to choose
  • At that moment, William is next in line
  • So even if he abdicates after the queen dies and is never crowned, the line of succession isn't changed, it is still William

Sway

26,338 posts

195 months

Monday 12th April 2021
quotequote all
Stick Legs said:
vaud said:
Stick Legs said:
Problem is if Charles Abdicates then Andrew becomes King...
No he doesn't. Andrew is 8th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_to_the_Br...
But surely Abdication removes his lineage.

Otherwise any offspring of Edward VIII would have a claim.
Nope.

You can't "pre-abdicate".

boxedin

1,354 posts

127 months

Monday 12th April 2021
quotequote all
None of her kids will be tolerated by the public at large as head of the monarchy.

William is the only one that could command some respect. But when she's no longer Queen, it really is overdue for handing over Crown Estates to the Gov. and thinning out those welfare payments.

coppernorks

1,919 posts

47 months

Monday 12th April 2021
quotequote all
Abdication is common is smaller monarchies [ as is assassination ] to allow younger
heads to reign and breathe new life into a stuffy institution, and when it comes to
stuffy the windsors are the toppermost of the poppermost.

Ideal time for brenda to pass on the baton of pomp and circumcision, I think she thinks
she is an actual deity, woman just go eh, you're nearly 94 ferchrissakes.

CeramicMX5ND2

Original Poster:

7,776 posts

74 months

Monday 12th April 2021
quotequote all
I see Andrew was let out yesterday..... Haven't seen him for a while - Can't think why! rolleyes

Sway

26,338 posts

195 months

Monday 12th April 2021
quotequote all
coppernorks]Abdication is common is smaller monarchies [ as is assassination said:
to allow younger
heads to reign and breathe new life into a stuffy institution, and when it comes to
stuffy the windsors are the toppermost of the poppermost.

Ideal time for brenda to pass on the baton of pomp and circumcision, I think she thinks
she is an actual deity, woman just go eh, you're nearly 94 ferchrissakes.
Yep - but lines of succession don't get "skipped". A father will abdicate to permit son/daughter to rule whilst in their prime. See Japan for a recent example.

Randy Winkman

16,214 posts

190 months

Monday 12th April 2021
quotequote all
boxedin said:
None of her kids will be tolerated by the public at large as head of the monarchy.

William is the only one that could command some respect. But when she's no longer Queen, it really is overdue for handing over Crown Estates to the Gov. and thinning out those welfare payments.
Why would William command respect? Because he's the "Keep your head down and do as you're told" type? Unlike his brother?

TwigtheWonderkid

43,451 posts

151 months

Monday 12th April 2021
quotequote all
Stick Legs said:
vaud said:
Stick Legs said:
Problem is if Charles Abdicates then Andrew becomes King...
No he doesn't. Andrew is 8th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_to_the_Br...
But surely Abdication removes his lineage.

Otherwise any offspring of Edward VIII would have a claim.
They would have done when he abdicated, if he'd had any. But he didn't, so it went to his brother, the Queen's dad.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,451 posts

151 months

Monday 12th April 2021
quotequote all
Randy Winkman said:
Why would William command respect? Because he's the "Keep your head down and do as you're told" type? Unlike his brother?
Because, If you ignore the fact that he supports Aston Villa, he hasn't made an absolute tit of himself.

Stick Legs

4,962 posts

166 months

Monday 12th April 2021
quotequote all
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Stick Legs said:
vaud said:
Stick Legs said:
Problem is if Charles Abdicates then Andrew becomes King...
No he doesn't. Andrew is 8th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_to_the_Br...
But surely Abdication removes his lineage.

Otherwise any offspring of Edward VIII would have a claim.
They would have done when he abdicated, if he'd had any. But he didn't, so it went to his brother, the Queen's dad.
Thanks, genuinely didn't know.

Plymo

1,152 posts

90 months

Monday 12th April 2021
quotequote all
coppernorks said:
Ideal time for brenda to pass on the baton of pomp and circumcision , I think she thinks
she is an actual deity, woman just go eh, you're nearly 94 ferchrissakes.
eek



jimPH

3,981 posts

81 months

Monday 12th April 2021
quotequote all
Kind of hoping Charles takes the throne now and has a long and calamitous reign, should secure their fate quite nicely and we can turn Buckingham Palace into a theme park.

elster

17,517 posts

211 months

Monday 12th April 2021
quotequote all
FunkyNige said:
RizzoTheRat said:
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Canada/Australia/NZ/etc drop the monarchy when the queen steps down, which might be one reason for her wanting to keep on as long as possible.
I've been saying that for a while - having a foreign head of state as a throwback to a different time is one thing, but having a new head of state who is a foreigner doesn't really fit with the times and I think we'll see all the countries where the Queen is head of state drop the monarchy once the queen goes. Which seems fair enough, and I say that as a bit of a Royalist. Charles wants a streamlined monarchy so it wouldn't surprise me if plans are already in place.

I think we'll see the Queen doing less appointments now and Charles / William taking up the slack.
A couple of years ago it was voted on to keep Charles as the head of Commonwealth after the death of the Queen

ClaphamGT3

11,318 posts

244 months

Monday 12th April 2021
quotequote all
mr_spock said:
FourWheelDrift said:
If it's the title Duke of Edinburgh then it goes to the youngest son, so Edward will inherit that title. It'll be an upgrade for his Earldom.
According to something I heard on the Beeb, not until the Queen dies. I can't recall why.
Because the Queen, as reigning monarch, cannot also be the dowager Duchess of Edinburgh

Sway

26,338 posts

195 months

Monday 12th April 2021
quotequote all
elster said:
A couple of years ago it was voted on to keep Charles as the head of Commonwealth after the death of the Queen
That's different from keeping him as sovereign though, isn't it?

jimPH

3,981 posts

81 months

Tuesday 13th April 2021
quotequote all
anonymous said:
[redacted]
How do you define being a good king?

Stick Legs

4,962 posts

166 months

Tuesday 13th April 2021
quotequote all
jimPH said:
How do you define being a good king?
I'd use the Lion King as a guide, or maybe Disney's Robin Hood.

valiant

10,316 posts

161 months

Tuesday 13th April 2021
quotequote all
anonymous said:
[redacted]
Just be quiet and take the money.