Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 7)

[JagLover]

robemcdonald said:

I really don’t see how this is Boris’s fault.

When the roadmap was announced three months ago he clearly said that easing of lockdown would be driven by data and not dates. When he said the date of the 21st June he said it would be the earliest date..

No one could foresee the delta variant would become such an issue. There is no proof that it even started in India. That’s why say “the delta variant first discovered in India” no one knows.
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There are variants arising all the time. There is no evidence that this variant is any more concerning than any of the others. In fact commonly reported symptoms have become milder since this started to become the dominant strain.

"Cases" are meaningless in isolation. You are also able to report large percentage rises if you report increases from a very low base.

[turbobloke]

JagLover said:

robemcdonald said:

I really don’t see how this is Boris’s fault.

When the roadmap was announced three months ago he clearly said that easing of lockdown would be driven by data and not dates. When he said the date of the 21st June he said it would be the earliest date..

No one could foresee the delta variant would become such an issue. There is no proof that it even started in India. That’s why say “the delta variant first discovered in India” no one knows.
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There are variants arising all the time. There is no evidence that this variant is any more concerning than any of the others.<snip>

According to PHE it's 60% more transmissible than the alpha strain, with single dose vaccine recipients less protected. If PHE has got it wrong where's the alternative data coming from?

[Vanden Saab]

Newarch said:

Why are we doing this again, zero COVID or saving the NHS?

Tbh I don’t really mind everything’s largely returning to how it was anyway vis a vis mask wearing, socialising etc. This will put the kibosh on vaccinations though, why bother if it doesn’t put things back as normal?

Boris really is a plum, but we all knew that.

It is utter madness, they did the same last year and we all know how that ended up...

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

According to PHE it's 60% more transmissible than the alpha strain, with single dose vaccine recipients less protected. If PHE has got it wrong where's the alternative data coming from?

Your endless propaganda is at least 60% more transmissible than anyone else’s, that doesn’t mean it’s any more concerning to anyone.

[robemcdonald]

turbobloke said:

According to PHE it's 60% more transmissible than the alpha strain, with single dose vaccine recipients less protected. If PHE has got it wrong where's the alternative data coming from?

That’s all well and good, but there is no way Boris could have known that not restricting travel to a country where a new variant was running rampant would have a negative impact.
In fact he probably wanted to put India on the red list, but a Guardian reading leftie civil servant probably corrupted the data to make Boris look bad.
If you want to prove otherwise then you’ll have to provide the evidence…
From a source I approve of….
Obviously I won’t provide a list of sources……
and will only validate the evidence if I agree with it.

Oh, and just because I used a source for information doesn’t mean it’s valid if someone else uses it.



Let’s not forget Jeremy Corbyn wanted to introduce sharia law into the U.K. and that would make it illegal to close our borders to any country where Muslims live.

[robemcdonald]

Newarch said:

Why are we doing this again, zero COVID or saving the NHS?

Tbh I don’t really mind everything’s largely returning to how it was anyway vis a vis mask wearing, socialising etc. This will put the kibosh on vaccinations though, why bother if it doesn’t put things back as normal?

Boris really is a plum, but we all knew that.

Boris is being lead by the data. The data is obviously saying that additional four weeks will get this new variant under control.
On July 19 we should be absolutely fine, unless another variant arrives in the country, but there is no reason to think it will.
I think we are lucky to have such an outstanding statesman leading us through this difficult time to be honest.

Let’s not forget Jeremy Corbyn wanted every house owner in the U.K. to take in a Syrian refugee family and sign the deeds of their house over to them.

If you think I’m wrong prove it..

[APontus]

turbobloke said:

According to PHE it's 60% more transmissible than the alpha strain, with single dose vaccine recipients less protected. If PHE has got it wrong where's the alternative data coming from?

It's more than 2 months since the strain arrived here. Where are the deaths and mass hospitalisations coming from? Where's your alternate data?

[anonymous-user]

It's the mission creep/uncertainty about what they are trying to achieve that annoys me. SAGE don't care about peoples jobs or social freedom because they're largely academics who tend to have difficulty perceiving things on a proportionate or human level.

I would expect coronavirus cases to rise sharply as restrictions are released anyway, lockdown was never going to (and never intended to) eradicate coronavirus, just slow down the number of new infections to reduce the pressure on the health service. As I understand it the pressure on the health service is currently quite low, presumably because of the vaccination scheme.

[Unknown_User]

Newarch said:

It's the mission creep/uncertainty about what they are trying to achieve that annoys me. SAGE don't care about peoples jobs or social freedom because they're largely academics who tend to have difficulty perceiving things on a proportionate or human level.

I would expect coronavirus cases to rise sharply as restrictions are released anyway, lockdown was never going to (and never intended to) eradicate coronavirus, just slow down the number of new infections to reduce the pressure on the health service. As I understand it the pressure on the health service is currently quite low, presumably because of the vaccination scheme.

Gosh...!!!

I guess we should thank our lucky stars then, that we have a failed journalist that got sacked for lying and reinvented himself as a populist politician as Prime Minister?

[JagLover]

APontus said:

It's more than 2 months since the strain arrived here. Where are the deaths and mass hospitalisations coming from? Where's your alternate data?

In terms of hospitalisations take a look at Bolton (one of the areas where "cases" of the new variant surged)

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare...

Totally worth destroying more businesses and continue to restrict personal freedoms

[mike74]

Why does this prick persist with his deliberately unkempt look with his hair?

A pick of him in todays top story in the DM has him looking utterly ridiculous.

It must actually take more time and effort to comprehensively ruffle it up into that straggly mess than if he just spent 10 seconds running a brush through it.

I always used to think the same about Cummings with his infeasibly creased t-shirts... it simply isn't possible to actually get a t-shirt in to that state without deliberately screwing it up in a ball and leaving for a length of time.

They are obviously trying to portray a certain image, presumably trying to come across as people who are too busy and important to worry about things like basic personal presentation, but they've clearly gone too over the top with their attempts without realising it.

[valiant]

robemcdonald said:

turbobloke said:

According to PHE it's 60% more transmissible than the alpha strain, with single dose vaccine recipients less protected. If PHE has got it wrong where's the alternative data coming from?

That’s all well and good, but there is no way Boris could have known that not restricting travel to a country where a new variant was running rampant would have a negative impact.
In fact he probably wanted to put India on the red list, but a Guardian reading leftie civil servant probably corrupted the data to make Boris look bad.
If you want to prove otherwise then you’ll have to provide the evidence…
From a source I approve of….
Obviously I won’t provide a list of sources……
and will only validate the evidence if I agree with it.

Oh, and just because I used a source for information doesn’t mean it’s valid if someone else uses it.



Let’s not forget Jeremy Corbyn wanted to introduce sharia law into the U.K. and that would make it illegal to close our borders to any country where Muslims live.

You a bad man

[APontus]

mike74 said:

Why does this prick persist with his deliberately unkempt look with his hair?

Marketing. Looking like a tramp that rampaged through the Burton's bins is his trademark.

[pquinn]

APontus said:

mike74 said:

Why does this prick persist with his deliberately unkempt look with his hair?

Marketing. Looking like a tramp that rampaged through the Burton's bins is his trademark.

It's actually a massive combover, without it he'd look a lot like Whitty.

He's going very bald very quickly.

[anonymous-user]

If I never have to see or hear Chris Whitty again... I suspect he was handpicked because he makes Boris seem less annoying by comparison.

[turbobloke]

robemcdonald said:

turbobloke said:

According to PHE it's 60% more transmissible than the alpha strain, with single dose vaccine recipients less protected. If PHE has got it wrong where's the alternative data coming from?

That’s all well and good, but there is no way Boris could have known that not restricting travel to a country where a new variant was running rampant would have a negative impact.
In fact he probably wanted to put India on the red list, but a Guardian reading leftie civil servant probably corrupted the data to make Boris look bad.
If you want to prove otherwise then you’ll have to provide the evidence…
From a source I approve of….
Obviously I won’t provide a list of sources……
and will only validate the evidence if I agree with it.

Oh, and just because I used a source for information doesn’t mean it’s valid if someone else uses it.



Let’s not forget Jeremy Corbyn wanted to introduce sharia law into the U.K. and that would make it illegal to close our borders to any country where Muslims live.

So much gibberish in one post. Corbyn, Shariah Law, borders...try not to inhale so much next time. That source sentence, it must have taken effort to get there.

On point, what evidence is there that PHE got the delta variant data wrong, so JagLover saying there's no evidence it's worse was indeed inaccurate? Unless that windbag response was a weird form of agreement.

This so-called Boris thread is getting more polluted by the day, talk to yourself with the next psychotropic instalment.

[JagLover]

turbobloke said:

On point, what evidence is there that PHE got the delta variant data wrong, so JagLover saying there's no evidence it's worse was indeed inaccurate? Unless that windbag response was a weird form of agreement.
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There is no evidence it is more dangerous, the reverse if anything.

BBC said:

A headache, sore throat and runny nose are now the most commonly reported symptoms linked to Covid infection in the UK, researchers say.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57467051

[APontus]

pquinn said:

It's actually a massive combover, without it he'd look a lot like Whitty.

He's going very bald very quickly.

Yep. He's our Samson.

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

According to PHE it's 60% more transmissible than the alpha strain, with single dose vaccine recipients less protected. If PHE has got it wrong where's the alternative data coming from?

is this the same as when he said the new stain last tear was 70% more infectious yet was actually found to be 6%.

[APontus]

We're dragging off topic, however isn't it relatively common/expected that over time a virus can become more transmissible (and typically less lethal)?

I suppose what surprises me is that it takes so long to get clearer answers over transmissibility/lethality of new strains. India can build nuclear weapons; can't it sequence a virus and analyse results of human spread so the rest of us know what's coming and can plan in advance?

The world has had 18 months to arrange data sharing and intelligence. The UK have had 18 months to make the NHS capable of dealing with surges of Covid activity and yet we're still sat here like a bunch of wkers around a dead horse wondering why it isn't winning the National.