The by-election thread
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I didn't even know this was going on.
Wow, that's a shocking result for all three parties.
Edit, now I've read those tweets, makes slightly more sense: tactical voting.
Actually quite heartening: I'd rather the Lib Dems were the effective opposition than Labour, who are clearly obsolete.
Wow, that's a shocking result for all three parties.
Edit, now I've read those tweets, makes slightly more sense: tactical voting.
Actually quite heartening: I'd rather the Lib Dems were the effective opposition than Labour, who are clearly obsolete.
Edited by Johnnytheboy on Friday 18th June 06:30
Stigproducts said:
Aside from the dramatic headline it is exceptional that Sit Keir and his merry band of nutters, jew haters, divs and nasty commies have brought forth a whole 622 votes.
622 - 1.6% of the vote
Extraordinary. This might have been bad timing for Boris and co with their illogical lock down extension that is clearly really starting to piss people off, but Labour is NOWHERE in capitalizing on this. They are utter toast.
Lib Dems have Labour to thank for their victory, and Chris Whitty - nothing they did. They are as mad and useless as the rest of them
Labour have historically bounced around 5%-15% of the vote. They lost 10% from the last election, but have had variable support.622 - 1.6% of the vote
Extraordinary. This might have been bad timing for Boris and co with their illogical lock down extension that is clearly really starting to piss people off, but Labour is NOWHERE in capitalizing on this. They are utter toast.
Lib Dems have Labour to thank for their victory, and Chris Whitty - nothing they did. They are as mad and useless as the rest of them
Tories lost 20% of their support.
In Hartlepool Labour lost 10% of their support.
This is entirely down to Tory losses and is 100% down to the incompetent s
t show of a PM we have.anonymous said:
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Things guaranteed to annoy traditional Tory voters:- dishonesty
- scruffiness
- planning liberalisation/planning rampage
Perfect storm really. Seems like the result here arose from the particular local constituency being especially exposed/sensitive to things that will cost votes elsewhere, but perhaps not to quite the same degree. But also, looks like pretty much all of the labour voters voted tactically. Would be interesting to see where else in the south east that tactic would result in Lib Dem majorities.
I'm sure Boris is quaking in someones boots.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/polling/2021...
Looks like a regional blip for now.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/polling/2021...
Looks like a regional blip for now.
Personally I am quite surprised by the result.
I live in that constituency and the amount of canvassing by the Lib Dems put me right off. We must have had 5 or 6 different people knocking on the door over the past 2 or 3 weeks - all from the Lib Dems - and various different leaflets, brochures and even what was dressed up to look like a handwritten letter to the family - written as if it was personal.
According to my wife, we weren't the only ones who were pissed off with it, and the sentiments on social media were reflecting how I felt.
It obviously worked though.
I live in that constituency and the amount of canvassing by the Lib Dems put me right off. We must have had 5 or 6 different people knocking on the door over the past 2 or 3 weeks - all from the Lib Dems - and various different leaflets, brochures and even what was dressed up to look like a handwritten letter to the family - written as if it was personal.
According to my wife, we weren't the only ones who were pissed off with it, and the sentiments on social media were reflecting how I felt.
It obviously worked though.
Yes, sounds like the Lib Dems really went for it, and a lot of tactical voting helped too.
The reasons cited (HS2, planning reform) will probably spook the government into toning down promised new bills such as the planning bill, where there was already backbench dissatisfaction. They want to deregulate planning, probably to please party donors - but it conflicts with politics at the local level. It is also a remain area so there could be some Brexit aspect to this too.
The reasons cited (HS2, planning reform) will probably spook the government into toning down promised new bills such as the planning bill, where there was already backbench dissatisfaction. They want to deregulate planning, probably to please party donors - but it conflicts with politics at the local level. It is also a remain area so there could be some Brexit aspect to this too.
3 things for me
I don’t think people realise how unpopular HS2 is in that neck of the woods, and also the house building that’s going on. My friends who live up the road in Missenden are seething about it.
No doubt there’s a great deal of being fed up with lockdowns too.
People increasingly don’t trust Boris. Maybe the ’19 Tory majority was a reflection of how much people distrusted Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbot rather than any profound admiration for Boris.
I don’t think people realise how unpopular HS2 is in that neck of the woods, and also the house building that’s going on. My friends who live up the road in Missenden are seething about it.
No doubt there’s a great deal of being fed up with lockdowns too.
People increasingly don’t trust Boris. Maybe the ’19 Tory majority was a reflection of how much people distrusted Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbot rather than any profound admiration for Boris.
I'm not surprised by the result and I placed a small financial bet when lib Dems were 7/1 and Tories were 1/25. Over night this fell to lib Dems 2/5 and Tories 1/7.
In several local council elections here in bucks lib Dems did very well. Traditional Tory voters feeling out of touch with the conservatives. They've forced so many building developments through, HS2 is nonsense and the lib Dems have captured the labour voters who are unconvinced by starmer.
It's good news for politics.
In several local council elections here in bucks lib Dems did very well. Traditional Tory voters feeling out of touch with the conservatives. They've forced so many building developments through, HS2 is nonsense and the lib Dems have captured the labour voters who are unconvinced by starmer.
It's good news for politics.
omniflow said:
Personally I am quite surprised by the result.
I live in that constituency and the amount of canvassing by the Lib Dems put me right off. We must have had 5 or 6 different people knocking on the door over the past 2 or 3 weeks - all from the Lib Dems - and various different leaflets, brochures and even what was dressed up to look like a handwritten letter to the family - written as if it was personal.
According to my wife, we weren't the only ones who were pissed off with it, and the sentiments on social media were reflecting how I felt.
It obviously worked though.
It has been suggested that the surprise result was due to local dissatisfaction with planning matters! Is that right? Or canyou tell the real reason?I live in that constituency and the amount of canvassing by the Lib Dems put me right off. We must have had 5 or 6 different people knocking on the door over the past 2 or 3 weeks - all from the Lib Dems - and various different leaflets, brochures and even what was dressed up to look like a handwritten letter to the family - written as if it was personal.
According to my wife, we weren't the only ones who were pissed off with it, and the sentiments on social media were reflecting how I felt.
It obviously worked though.
As an ex Tory voter I'm pleased to wake up this morning to this Lib Dem by-election win, I hope they can make ground in other home county and Southern constituencies.
The Tories have been riding high in the polls but are not all things to all men, I feel they are generally busy trying to appeal to nationalistic brexit voters particularly those in the North, but there's no doubt that they will start to lose votes in other more liberal areas as we've seen here.
I would like to see the Lib Dems raise their profile somewhat, I've not heard a peep from Ed Davey and others in the national media for some time, since the pandemic started I guess.
The Tories have been riding high in the polls but are not all things to all men, I feel they are generally busy trying to appeal to nationalistic brexit voters particularly those in the North, but there's no doubt that they will start to lose votes in other more liberal areas as we've seen here.
I would like to see the Lib Dems raise their profile somewhat, I've not heard a peep from Ed Davey and others in the national media for some time, since the pandemic started I guess.
Polite M135 driver said:
Things guaranteed to annoy traditional Tory voters:
- dishonesty
- scruffiness
- planning liberalisation/planning rampage
Perfect storm really. Seems like the result here arose from the particular local constituency being especially exposed/sensitive to things that will cost votes elsewhere, but perhaps not to quite the same degree. But also, looks like pretty much all of the labour voters voted tactically. Would be interesting to see where else in the south east that tactic would result in Lib Dem majorities.
Oddly though- dishonesty
- scruffiness
- planning liberalisation/planning rampage
Perfect storm really. Seems like the result here arose from the particular local constituency being especially exposed/sensitive to things that will cost votes elsewhere, but perhaps not to quite the same degree. But also, looks like pretty much all of the labour voters voted tactically. Would be interesting to see where else in the south east that tactic would result in Lib Dem majorities.
Lib Dem’s manifesto promising 300,000 houses affordable a year - no different to Tory really and has to mean they will be built in the same way.
Lib Dem’s manifesto stating it fully supports HS2.
Odd how the Lib Dem candidate was championing against these party policies
I think it’s a good result, with the red wall falling “ooop North” and the Tories having their arses handed to them in Amersham, losing a 16,000 majority in the process, it’s a genuine kicking.
It tells the parties that they can’t treat any of their constituencies as a given/with contempt.
As above – a good day for politics.
It tells the parties that they can’t treat any of their constituencies as a given/with contempt.
As above – a good day for politics.
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