CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 12)
Discussion
Boringvolvodriver said:
Haha or that.gumshoe said:
The general gist of this thread is that the cure is worse than the disease. In between you have various positions:
- government are using it as an opportunity to push through policies they never would have gotten away with under normal circumstances (certainly not as quickly).
- people are scared crapless but have lost concept of what the actual risk is. I've seen a mum let go of their pram with it rolling towards traffic at a set of lights to adjust their mask. I mean wtf?
- people seem to want the government to protect them from what is basically a bad version of flu/influenza
- the response to it by government has been dramatic and incommensurate with the risk posed.
- the way it seems vaccine passports were on the table as early as April/May 2020 where we were told it was only 3 weeks to flatten the curve
A fair summation, which makes ‘most’ posters on this thread nut jobs, according to the really really clever posters on the other covid threads (who only question posts on this thread and little else).- government are using it as an opportunity to push through policies they never would have gotten away with under normal circumstances (certainly not as quickly).
- people are scared crapless but have lost concept of what the actual risk is. I've seen a mum let go of their pram with it rolling towards traffic at a set of lights to adjust their mask. I mean wtf?
- people seem to want the government to protect them from what is basically a bad version of flu/influenza
- the response to it by government has been dramatic and incommensurate with the risk posed.
- the way it seems vaccine passports were on the table as early as April/May 2020 where we were told it was only 3 weeks to flatten the curve
Anyone else noticed the election stuff...
Boris changed the laws on calling an early election last year... and now there is talk of an early election (while any sort of opposition are in tatters),
I think I’m right in saying, that will, in effect extend this governments rule for another year or two over what they would have had?
I’m going to bet this is done before the public enquiry.
Boris changed the laws on calling an early election last year... and now there is talk of an early election (while any sort of opposition are in tatters),
I think I’m right in saying, that will, in effect extend this governments rule for another year or two over what they would have had?
I’m going to bet this is done before the public enquiry.
sl0wlane said:
Anyone else noticed the election stuff...
Boris changed the laws on calling an early election last year... and now there is talk of an early election (while any sort of opposition are in tatters),
I think I’m right in saying, that will, in effect extend this governments rule for another year or two over what they would have had?
I’m going to bet this is done before the public enquiry.
Queens speech mentioned a new bill to abolish 5 year fixed terms and give the pm power to call a GE without the royal nod.Boris changed the laws on calling an early election last year... and now there is talk of an early election (while any sort of opposition are in tatters),
I think I’m right in saying, that will, in effect extend this governments rule for another year or two over what they would have had?
I’m going to bet this is done before the public enquiry.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
soofsayer said:
I’m sure when the pfizer trials were announced for kids they were to last 2 years?
I hope the kids do last longer than 2 years!
But, on a serious note, another 'emergency' authorisation to enable a small group of (paid?) science experiment volunteers to be joined by a new (unpaid) cohort of millions?
You better sign your kids up, though. If not, Bette Middler is coming round to kill your kids with severe anaphylactic shock:
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/unhinged-leftis...
Graveworm said:
soofsayer said:
Queens speech mentioned a new bill to abolish 5 year fixed terms and give the pm power to call a GE without the royal nod.
No way will it happen before they implement the boundary commission changes. Otispunkmeyer said:
I guess this is what some of the MIT modelling was about? Their conclusions were that it didn't matter if you were 6ft o 60ft, wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. If you are going to be stuck in a room with someone with it, its going to circulate (air currents, brownian motion etc) and you are going to breath it in.
Exactly this. the concept of absolute risk reduction seems to be lost on a lot of people with the whole mask claptrap. In a closed room with lots of possible infection sources, face covering or not (outside of properly worn and disposed of N95 type stuff), it's useless. And when in a shop with brief contact etc any reduction in transmission is negligible as the overall risk is bloody low anyway. NY Times (about outdoor tranmission of SARS-COV-2) - A Misleading C.D.C. Number
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/briefing/outdoo...
Anything not in the home = "outdoors". Really?
No wonder they thought there was a lot of outdoor transmission.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/briefing/outdoo...
NYT said:
...(A) paper, published in the Journal of Infection and Public Health, counted only two settings as indoors: “mass accommodation and residential facilities”. It defined all of these settings as outdoors: “workplace, health care, education, social events, travel, catering, leisure, and shopping...
Outdoor workplace - all workplaces? Outdoor healthcare? Outdoor schools? Outdoor catering? Outdoor shopping?Anything not in the home = "outdoors". Really?
No wonder they thought there was a lot of outdoor transmission.
Is Bolton really as bad as they say? Info from the dashboard for today:-
Deaths within 28 days = 0, last 7 days = 0
Admitted to hospital = 0
Doesn't look all that catastrophic to me.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/search?postcode=BL...
Deaths within 28 days = 0, last 7 days = 0
Admitted to hospital = 0
Doesn't look all that catastrophic to me.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/search?postcode=BL...
vixen1700 said:
Boringvolvodriver said:
In this case it would appear that Facebook and the other companies control what is or isn’t allowed to be said
On the BBC 6.00 news last night it mentioned that Facebook was deleting any anti-vaccination posts whether they were factual or not.Then went into some report about that builder bloke and some other t
t who talked about falling down a rabbit hole narrated by that disinformation reporter woman. sl0wlane said:
I just find these moves hugely suspect.
They put bills into Parliament and time them perfectly with recess.
They provide cost benefit analysis far below par and down to the wire so nobody can properly read it before voting.
They are navigating this with precision, it’s deliberate.
It's the beginnings of a dictatorship.They put bills into Parliament and time them perfectly with recess.
They provide cost benefit analysis far below par and down to the wire so nobody can properly read it before voting.
They are navigating this with precision, it’s deliberate.
scottyp123 said:
Is Bolton really as bad as they say? Info from the dashboard for today:-
Deaths within 28 days = 0, last 7 days = 0
Admitted to hospital = 0
Doesn't look all that catastrophic to me.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/search?postcode=BL...
The issue is the rapid rise in cases:Deaths within 28 days = 0, last 7 days = 0
Admitted to hospital = 0
Doesn't look all that catastrophic to me.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/search?postcode=BL...
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?area...
Test positivity is also increasing, so this does seem to be a genuine increase:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing?ar...
I think it probably is due to the variant and that we are going to have to accept more cases as we unlock.
vixen1700 said:
danllama said:
Facebook deleted a group with hundreds of thousands of people on it discussing the effects, some fatal, of the Vax.
Yep, something like 127k followers in a couple of weeks. Didn't seem like nutty 5G, lizard loons either...SAGE advisers U-turn on grisly third wave estimates and SLASH the next year's death toll predictions 10-fold
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9566001/C...
Pretty please??
I particularly liked the way they've only factored in transmission reductions from vaccines now.
Well done for being ahead of the curve, people
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9566001/C...
DM said:
Data suggest vaccines are working so well in the real world that mathematical modellers who advise SAGE have dramatically downgraded their bleak predictions of more than 100,000 further Covid deaths within the next year and a third wave of the virus to rival the first two.
...
A report published yesterday showed that real-world data accounting for vaccinated people being less likely to pass on the virus has been factored in to long-term estimates for the first time.
The Imperial College Covid-19 Response Team, some of the Government's top advisers whose work triggered the first national lockdown in March 2020, have now revised their worst-case death toll for England to 16,600 more between May 2021 and June 2022.
This is based on the current scenario, with jabs remaining effective over time and no new variants taking over, and marks a drastic fall from a warning in January that 167,600 across the UK could die of Covid between then and next summer.
So now it's 16k extra 'worst case' for a whole year - the same as a reasonable flu season - so can we please grow some balls and release without BS vaccine coercion and 'vaccine passports'...
A report published yesterday showed that real-world data accounting for vaccinated people being less likely to pass on the virus has been factored in to long-term estimates for the first time.
The Imperial College Covid-19 Response Team, some of the Government's top advisers whose work triggered the first national lockdown in March 2020, have now revised their worst-case death toll for England to 16,600 more between May 2021 and June 2022.
This is based on the current scenario, with jabs remaining effective over time and no new variants taking over, and marks a drastic fall from a warning in January that 167,600 across the UK could die of Covid between then and next summer.
Pretty please??
I particularly liked the way they've only factored in transmission reductions from vaccines now.
Well done for being ahead of the curve, people
Edited by RSTurboPaul on Wednesday 12th May 00:13
RSTurboPaul said:
SAGE advisers U-turn on grisly third wave estimates and SLASH the next year's death toll predictions 10-fold
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9566001/C...
Pretty please??
I particularly liked the way they've only factored in transmission reductions from vaccines now.
Well done for being ahead of the curve, people
Sounds a lot like we've all being saying since Feb / Marchhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9566001/C...
DM said:
Data suggest vaccines are working so well in the real world that mathematical modellers who advise SAGE have dramatically downgraded their bleak predictions of more than 100,000 further Covid deaths within the next year and a third wave of the virus to rival the first two.
...
A report published yesterday showed that real-world data accounting for vaccinated people being less likely to pass on the virus has been factored in to long-term estimates for the first time.
The Imperial College Covid-19 Response Team, some of the Government's top advisers whose work triggered the first national lockdown in March 2020, have now revised their worst-case death toll for England to 16,600 more between May 2021 and June 2022.
This is based on the current scenario, with jabs remaining effective over time and no new variants taking over, and marks a drastic fall from a warning in January that 167,600 across the UK could die of Covid between then and next summer.
So now it's 16k extra 'worst case' for a whole year - the same as a reasonable flu season - so can we please grow some balls and release without BS vaccine coercion and 'vaccine passports'...
A report published yesterday showed that real-world data accounting for vaccinated people being less likely to pass on the virus has been factored in to long-term estimates for the first time.
The Imperial College Covid-19 Response Team, some of the Government's top advisers whose work triggered the first national lockdown in March 2020, have now revised their worst-case death toll for England to 16,600 more between May 2021 and June 2022.
This is based on the current scenario, with jabs remaining effective over time and no new variants taking over, and marks a drastic fall from a warning in January that 167,600 across the UK could die of Covid between then and next summer.
Pretty please??
I particularly liked the way they've only factored in transmission reductions from vaccines now.
Well done for being ahead of the curve, people
Edited by RSTurboPaul on Wednesday 12th May 00:13
Its almost as if they needed fake high modelled numbers to keep the lockdown going as long as possible, and now its all over bar the shouting, they can slip the real numbers out
It stinks
JHB will be all over it this morning. I wonder if anyone else will be
jameswills said:
Alucidnation said:
Conclusion: locked down too late and not hard enough. Must not make that mistake again.It will be a whitewash, they are already rewriting history as every day passes, and people have begun to actually believe that lockdowns, masks and social distancing defeat viruses (until the vaccine is here of course). They can rinse and repeat this for anything now.
A genuine enquiry that looked into everything associated with this pandemic and called as witnesses those with actual expert knowledge, in something other than behavioral science and computer modelling, could be fascinating and help ensure the mistakes seen won't reoccur.
This almost certainly won't be that enquiry. Fundamental assumptions will not be questioned.
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