CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 12)
Discussion
sl0wlane said:
I’m slightly more worried about the polygon 2021 cyber exercise, because that simulates a mass shutdown of the internet… and we know what swiftly followed the last pandemic exercise (should we just be calling these things dress rehearsals instead?)
I’m a bit thick today! Can you explain the above please, especially the bold.paulw123 said:
Talk on here of an almost certain ‘autumn lockdown’ surely any lockdown/restrictions just makes a mockery of everything we have endured the last 18months and renders Max vaccination somewhat pointless.
You’ve made the mistake of expecting the UK govt covid strategy to make any kind of sense.If they (either the dumb masses, or the tyrannical Johnson administration) want autumn lockdown, we will have autumn lockdown.
garyhun said:
sl0wlane said:
I’m slightly more worried about the polygon 2021 cyber exercise, because that simulates a mass shutdown of the internet… and we know what swiftly followed the last pandemic exercise (should we just be calling these things dress rehearsals instead?)
I’m a bit thick today! Can you explain the above please, especially the bold.markyb_lcy said:
garyhun said:
sl0wlane said:
I’m slightly more worried about the polygon 2021 cyber exercise, because that simulates a mass shutdown of the internet… and we know what swiftly followed the last pandemic exercise (should we just be calling these things dress rehearsals instead?)
I’m a bit thick today! Can you explain the above please, especially the bold.RSTurboPaul said:
JagLover said:
The CDC has conceded it is airborne. This follows a few articles over the last month in the likes of the Lancet that claimed it was.
https://www.biospace.com/article/cdc-s-updated-gui...
If this is the main means of transmission doesn't this call into question many aspects of the rules designed to constrain it?. Masks for example won't be doing much at all. As for distance, well what matters there is likely to be the ventilation of the space you are in with an infectious person, not distance alone.
So... masks are pointless, then?https://www.biospace.com/article/cdc-s-updated-gui...
If this is the main means of transmission doesn't this call into question many aspects of the rules designed to constrain it?. Masks for example won't be doing much at all. As for distance, well what matters there is likely to be the ventilation of the space you are in with an infectious person, not distance alone.
Oh, wait:
CDC said:
At the same time the study was published, the CDC published research stating that double masking reduced COVID-19 droplet exposure by up to 95% compared with single masking. Based on this research, the agency started recommending the use of two masks instead of one, lending continued support to N95 masks in conjunction with either a cloth or surgical mask.
This is no doubt why SAGE recommended that medical staff be issued with FFP3 masks.
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1089
Thinking out aloud...
Perhaps it is airborne *because* we are wearing masks. There are plenty of commentators, some with “expert” status, who assert that cheap, non-standard masks actually aerosolise the outwardly-shed droplets of the infected people who wear them.
To what degree that is true, I’m unsure, but when they later come out and say “actually, nah, its not droplets as we’ve told you for a year, it’s actually aerosols you need to worry about”, it does make one think.
Perhaps it is airborne *because* we are wearing masks. There are plenty of commentators, some with “expert” status, who assert that cheap, non-standard masks actually aerosolise the outwardly-shed droplets of the infected people who wear them.
To what degree that is true, I’m unsure, but when they later come out and say “actually, nah, its not droplets as we’ve told you for a year, it’s actually aerosols you need to worry about”, it does make one think.
RSTurboPaul said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
This is really excellent, thanks for posting.Edited: Youtube video confusion!
Matt Hancock says 'new variants are the risk to June 21st opening':
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9565287/M...
And new variant arrival is in 5... 4...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9565287/M...
And new variant arrival is in 5... 4...
RSTurboPaul said:
Matt Hancock says 'new variants are the risk to June 21st opening':
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9565287/M...
And new variant arrival is in 5... 4...
This is nonsensical.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9565287/M...
And new variant arrival is in 5... 4...
If the new variants are no more virulent and don't escape immunity, then why should we give the slightest flying f
k which of those variants are the most prevalent.They are softening people up here for moving the 21st June stage 4 opening. My only hope is that they're doing it to give themselves flexibility to react to an actual problem rather than because it is their plan to move it, or water down what “freedoms” will be returned.
Of course, the media wont challenge any of this. Scandelous.
markyb_lcy said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Matt Hancock says 'new variants are the risk to June 21st opening':
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9565287/M...
And new variant arrival is in 5... 4...
This is nonsensical.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9565287/M...
And new variant arrival is in 5... 4...
If the new variants are no more virulent and don't escape immunity, then why should we give the slightest flying f
k which of those variants are the most prevalent.They are softening people up here for moving the 21st June stage 4 opening. My only hope is that they're doing it to give themselves flexibility to react to an actual problem rather than because it is their plan to move it, or water down what “freedoms” will be returned.
Of course, the media wont challenge any of this. Scandelous.
RSTurboPaul said:
Struggling to meet the critical path on the vaccine passports / digital ID project?
A UK govt IT project milestone being put back? Nah, that could never happen 
There really is only one way this vax pass thing *could* be ready in the sort of timescale they suggest it will, is if it has been in development for years already. It sort of has on any objective view, indeed the tech itself undeniably has. The Uk govt will still miss delivery deadlines though. IT projects are typically where they excel in incompetence.
China Enforces New Boundary With Nepal At Summit Of Everest To Keep Infected Climbers Out
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/china-enforces-...
Not quite sure how that will work in practice... lol
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/china-enforces-...
Not quite sure how that will work in practice... lol
RSTurboPaul said:
China Enforces New Boundary With Nepal At Summit Of Everest To Keep Infected Climbers Out
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/china-enforces-...
Not quite sure how that will work in practice... lol
Looks like we’ve reached peak ridiculous.https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/china-enforces-...
Not quite sure how that will work in practice... lol
markyb_lcy said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Matt Hancock says 'new variants are the risk to June 21st opening':
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9565287/M...
And new variant arrival is in 5... 4...
This is nonsensical.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9565287/M...
And new variant arrival is in 5... 4...
If the new variants are no more virulent and don't escape immunity, then why should we give the slightest flying f
k which of those variants are the most prevalent.They are softening people up here for moving the 21st June stage 4 opening. My only hope is that they're doing it to give themselves flexibility to react to an actual problem rather than because it is their plan to move it, or water down what “freedoms” will be returned.
Of course, the media wont challenge any of this. Scandelous.
“
Vaccine working against Indian variant, Matt Hancock suggests
The Health Secretary said: "We have some degree of confidence that the vaccine works effectively against the so-called an Indian variant.
"We're more confident with the vaccines effectiveness against the Indian variant than the South African variant, but these are reasons to be to take cautious, a cautious approach at the borders in order to protect the progress that we've made at home, that's the approach that we're taking."”
markyb_lcy said:
RSTurboPaul said:
China Enforces New Boundary With Nepal At Summit Of Everest To Keep Infected Climbers Out
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/china-enforces-...
Not quite sure how that will work in practice... lol
Looks like we’ve reached peak ridiculous.https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/china-enforces-...
Not quite sure how that will work in practice... lol
And God knows what it's got to do with the UK.
markyb_lcy said:
paulw123 said:
Talk on here of an almost certain ‘autumn lockdown’ surely any lockdown/restrictions just makes a mockery of everything we have endured the last 18months and renders Max vaccination somewhat pointless.
You’ve made the mistake of expecting the UK govt covid strategy to make any kind of sense.If they (either the dumb masses, or the tyrannical Johnson administration) want autumn lockdown, we will have autumn lockdown.
And indeed all of the people in the at risk groups who have had the vaccine and want to get on with their lives?
If we are in lockdown in Autumn that will be it. We will know for certain this isn't about a virus.
markyb_lcy said:
<apologies for edit>There are plenty of commentators, some with “expert” status, who assert that cheap, non-standard masks actually aerosolise the outwardly-shed droplets of the infected people who wear them.
To what degree that is true, I’m unsure, but when they later come out and say “actually, nah, its not droplets as we’ve told you for a year, it’s actually aerosols you need to worry about”, it does make one think.
It seems to me that much of what we've been told over the last year isn't really science at all. Including but not limited to the following:To what degree that is true, I’m unsure, but when they later come out and say “actually, nah, its not droplets as we’ve told you for a year, it’s actually aerosols you need to worry about”, it does make one think.
- mask wearing - first it was deemed unnecessary, then mandatory, and never based on scientific "randomised control" evidence
- pubs and restaurants closed - where was the evidence that they were major sources of transmission?
- border controls - very early on we had them, then we didn't, and now we do
- social distancing - first it was 2 metres, then 1 metre (I think), then 1 metre plus; and none of it based on science AIUI
- schools - close them, then open them, then close them again, then open without masks, but then masks were required. Except now they're not!
- travel - English law only ever mandated a "reasonable excuse", but we were told to stay local, and only exercise once a day. Unless you were Mr Cummings in which case the guidance didn't apply, or did it? And it was different in Wales, different again in Scotland
Edited by Brave Fart on Tuesday 11th May 15:47
Alucidnation said:
markyb_lcy said:
RSTurboPaul said:
China Enforces New Boundary With Nepal At Summit Of Everest To Keep Infected Climbers Out
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/china-enforces-...
Not quite sure how that will work in practice... lol
Looks like we’ve reached peak ridiculous.https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/china-enforces-...
Not quite sure how that will work in practice... lol
And God knows what it's got to do with the UK.
Nothing.
Consider it an 'amusing' aside that adds nothing of great depth to the discussion in hand.
You know, like your posts
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-57051691
Just when I thought they couldn't pedal out anymore pish on the BBC, up steps Richard. A builder and a trainee psychologist campaigns to combat online misinformation about vaccines, well fk me.
Just looking at his photo, I wouldn't get the to screed my shed floor. I'm sure as fk not going to be bowled over about him picking low hanging fruit in the great vaccination debate.
Just when I thought they couldn't pedal out anymore pish on the BBC, up steps Richard. A builder and a trainee psychologist campaigns to combat online misinformation about vaccines, well f
k me.Just looking at his photo, I wouldn't get the
to screed my shed floor. I'm sure as fk not going to be bowled over about him picking low hanging fruit in the great vaccination debate. Thin White Duke said:
markyb_lcy said:
paulw123 said:
Talk on here of an almost certain ‘autumn lockdown’ surely any lockdown/restrictions just makes a mockery of everything we have endured the last 18months and renders Max vaccination somewhat pointless.
You’ve made the mistake of expecting the UK govt covid strategy to make any kind of sense.If they (either the dumb masses, or the tyrannical Johnson administration) want autumn lockdown, we will have autumn lockdown.
And indeed all of the people in the at risk groups who have had the vaccine and want to get on with their lives?
If we are in lockdown in Autumn that will be it. We will know for certain this isn't about a virus.
Just sign in to every single place you visit and make sure you update your 'green' status with twice-weekly tests in order to continue to be allowed entry to any indoor venue or your workplace.
Please ignore the fact that flattening the curve for three weeks was the route out of the situation.
Oh, sorry, masks were.
No, wait, it was the first jab of the vaccine.
Oops, I meant the second jab of the experimental treatment.
Ah, hang on, it was the booster jab.
Er.....
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