CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 12)

[Elysium]

isaldiri said:

Venturist said:

Those G7 pictures are absolutely atrocious. This has got to be the beginning of the end for this crap - covid measures at least, green agenda too hopefully. If not then nothing ever will and we are lost.

I have seen some wider rebellion on social media about these than I have previously so that’s encouraging.

Without going all WEF world order etc about it - in all seriousness that's the same thing you would see in a restaurant with an outdoors terrace. You sit around at your table unmasked talking to those with you while the unfortunate sods serving you are still supposed to be masked up. I'm a little confused what the outrage is about.

Staged social distancing crap at the start of the day



Completely ignored as they have what looks like a lovely drinks reception late in the evening



The outrage is because of the hypocrisy. Johnson set these rules and is apparently refusing to lift them, despite us all being good boys and girls and doing exactly what we were told for the last 6 months.

Meanwhile, he completely ignores his own restrictions. We know this is because at individual level the risk is very low. At population scale they might help, but he is ‘very important’, so it has been decided that he does not need to contribute to our group efforts. We are not ‘in it together’.

These people all flew in to the UK when the rest of us are pretty much banned from travel and told it’s too dangerous. They will not be quarantining, but we are required to do so at point of law.

Yes they have been vaxxed and tested, but so has the majority of the UK population.

There is no excuse for this rank hypocrisy and anyone looking at the images from this event needs to seriously consider why the hell they are complying with anything this Govt tells them to do.

[johnboy1975]

J210 said:

I see Indie sage are leading with over 100k cases a day if we don't do more.


India at the peak had 400k cases and has a population 14x larger living in much closer contact......

Point of order, isn't is 100k if we do stage 4 on June 21st? (Not 100% sure)

Thus, the ridiculous prediction will never come to pass (as its obvious June 21st will be delayed) and they can claim its because we didn't unlock fully, rather than the figure not being credible in the first place?

[Evolved]

J210 said:

I see Indie sage are leading with over 100k cases a day if we don't do more.


India at the peak had 400k cases and has a population 14x larger living in much closer contact......

Ahh, the old pre school maths the government and SAGE have banded about for the duration of the past 16 months. Classic.

Let’s take a guess and say it’ll be no where near that, however the narrative is now gospel given the media hype and lots will now be petrified of opening up.

[jameswills]

I would love to continue the hate on the hypocrisy, but just to be clear as I understand it, out doors there is no mask mandate at all, you can also meet up in groups of up to 30 people. Staff however I think have to be masked up regardless. Unless someone can put me straight? I feel that it’s just the public and the pubs that have just taken the mask and social distancing stuff too far on their own accord.

[vixen1700]

Last few train/tube trips have been face-coveringless and as others have said, it's pretty liberating after all these months.

[gizlaroc]

noopets said:

12hr shifts in a factory in stifling heat

And they don't bother you?



I find them really awful now, had them on for months and really starting to grate.

It is getting pretty hot in my place, struggle to hear what people are saying with them on, and drying my throat out the last few days.



They have said that they were brought in to instil some confidence in people to get back out there and shop last year, even Fauci has said that they do very little due to the type and way they are worn.

Then we have the nonsense where you have to wear them walking into somewhere, but once at your table you can remove them. I mean....seriously?

[isaldiri]

Not-The-Messiah said:

isaldiri said:

Venturist said:

Those G7 pictures are absolutely atrocious. This has got to be the beginning of the end for this crap - covid measures at least, green agenda too hopefully. If not then nothing ever will and we are lost.

I have seen some wider rebellion on social media about these than I have previously so that’s encouraging.

Without going all WEF world order etc about it - in all seriousness that's the same thing you would see in a restaurant with an outdoors terrace. You sit around at your table unmasked talking to those with you while the unfortunate sods serving you are still supposed to be masked up. I'm a little confused what the outrage is about.

You said sat down I don't see them sat down.

My point was about mask usage. Most of the posters seem to be taking umbrage at masked waitors and unmasked 'elites'. That is exactly what happens around the country and not just for this do for our WEF overlords.

Harrison Bergeron said:

Also

And that's the big problem i have with the reasoning put forward by ben5575 and Eddiesteadygo. Being more successful than initially hoped for or expected has become a chain round our neck that we 'can't threaten now'. June 21 was presumably considered acceptable in few of those scenarios. We are currently still far below that. the 'recent data of rising cases' is against the unexpectedly low numbers hit and not against the 'expected main scenario' that the government was basing restrictions timetable on. Jabbing more people to attempt to keep infections low is utterly pointless longer term and does nothing but lead to more of a clamour to do 'something' when infections next start rising.

johnboy1975 said:

J210 said:

I see Indie sage are leading with over 100k cases a day if we don't do more.


India at the peak had 400k cases and has a population 14x larger living in much closer contact......

Point of order, isn't is 100k if we do stage 4 on June 21st? (Not 100% sure)

Thus, the ridiculous prediction will never come to pass (as its obvious June 21st will be delayed) and they can claim its because we didn't unlock fully, rather than the figure not being credible in the first place?

It's from indie sage. Easier just to ignore as their numbers have been fantastically stupid both ways all throughout.

Edited by isaldiri on Sunday 13th June 09:44

[SS2.]

jameswills said:

I would love to continue the hate on the hypocrisy, but just to be clear as I understand it, out doors there is no mask mandate at all, you can also meet up to groups of 30 people. Staff however I think have to be masked up regardless. Unless someone can put me straight? I feel that it’s just the public and the pubs that have just taken the mask and social distancing stuff too far on their own accord.

So why bother with the masks and utterly ridiculous [socially distanced] elbow nudging at the start ?

Only serves to make it more insulting when the masks are then dropped and the attendees morph into a single, Bollinger quaffing huddle.

[Hoink]

I see there are now rumours that the poor footballer was recently vaccinated...

ETA. No sources at this time but I've not really looked.

[Thankyou4calling]

RemarkLima said:

Yes you did, about the unlocking on the 21st, with Graveworm IIRC.

You stated a number of times that Graveworm was the only taker of your bet (when you tried to be the bookie and hold everyone's cash!)

Never took a bet with Graveworm
Never offered any bets on the 21st
Was 100% clear on the one bet I offered.

Totally clear at all times. Alas if people can’t or don’t read there’s not much I can do.

[vonuber]

Was listening to a football podcast and one the contributors was in Rome, and pointed out that when he comes back he has to quarantine except when going to report on a football match.
So he can legally grab the train/ tube to Wembley and watch a football match with thousands, but not go for a walk outside.
Bonkers.

[gizlaroc]

SS2. said:

Has this been posted previously ?



Not that it needed confirming, but official figures really do emphasise the difference in susceptibility between those with and without pre-existing conditions.

Tin foil out again.

But seems to be a few people mentioning that the VAERS figures are already showing that deaths from the vaccines already outweigh deaths from the virus with no underlying conditions.


Does anyone have all the figures?

[ruggedscotty]

Hoink said:

I see there are now rumours that the poor footballer was recently vaccinated...

ETA. No sources at this time but I've not really looked.

heard wrong....

https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/lies-spread-lin...

[SS2.]

gizlaroc said:

SS2. said:

Has this been posted previously ?



Not that it needed confirming, but official figures really do emphasise the difference in susceptibility between those with and without pre-existing conditions.

Tin foil out again.

But seems to be a few people mentioning that the VAERS figures are already showing that deaths from the vaccines already outweigh deaths from the virus with no underlying conditions.

Does anyone have all the figures?

Have those figures actually been published ?

Other than the powers that be churning out the same 'death within 28 days of a vaccination is not a vaccine death' line (gotta love that particular double standard), I've not seen anything official to back up the vaccine deaths > [condition-less] Covid death claims.

And even if they were, they'd rely on the old-faithful backstop of 'yebbut, long-Covid' for justification of proceeding with the vaccines in question.

[djc206]

gizlaroc said:

Tin foil out again.

But seems to be a few people mentioning that the VAERS figures are already showing that deaths from the vaccines already outweigh deaths from the virus with no underlying conditions.


Does anyone have all the figures?

Correct me if I’m wrong but the VAERS figures do not attribute blame to a vaccine they just record the number of instances where a vaccine has recently been administered and therefore might have had a role in the death/ailment? And actually on closer inspection members of the public can submit data to be analysed so it’s not verified just recorded.

[isaldiri]

Elysium said:

The outrage is because of the hypocrisy. Johnson set these rules and is apparently refusing to lift them, despite us all being good boys and girls and doing exactly what we were told for the last 6 months.

There is no excuse for this rank hypocrisy and anyone looking at the images from this event needs to seriously consider why the hell they are complying with anything this Govt tells them to do.

So politicians are displaying rank hypocrisy. That's not exactly a shock is it?

And last evening they behaved pretty much like how everyone in the country eating outside etc was doing. If they were all following supposed social distancing restrictions there would equally be outrage that they were attempting to promote the new normal world of eternal social distancing etc.

As for as faux outrage is concerned, i do think there are better things to throw a strop about than the g7 nonsense.

[anonymous-user]

Evolved said:

They really are! Like kicking sand in al of our faces, globally. It’s a shocking display of elitism, and is surely a PR nightmare with the narrative they are pushing.



This is another pic from their shin dig. The workers muzzled liked unruly pets, while their masters enjoy themselves. Absolutely shocking! If things don’t unlock as intended on the 21st, then we really are being treated like dogs, muzzled dogs!

The Timmy Mallet impersonator’s career needs work.

[NewBod]

vixen1700 said:

Last few train/tube trips have been face-coveringless and as others have said, it's pretty liberating after all these months.

Good to hear.

I haven't worn a mask at all through this due to exemption. I hardly get quizzed about it anymore.

[ruggedscotty]

SCEtoAUX said:

If they don't end restrictions by the end of July, they never will.

Utterly depressing and genuinely terrifying.

I simply cannot accept that the NHS can become overwhelmed if these vaccines work. If they don't work, which is implied by the fact lockdown isn't going away, then why are we vaccinating people at all?

COVID, like so many other diseases isn't going away, but living a life in fear of it is no life at all.

Again it is not a black and white situation that something works or doesnt.... The vaccines do work, as in they reduce the effect of the virus on an individual, however it takes time from vaccination to having the full effect of the vaccine.

As the effects of the vaccine reduces the impact on the person its not having the same effect on 100% of the people vaccinated.

So the people that are still supscetible to the virus plus those not yet vaccinated... and those that cant be vaccintated or those that refused... add that into the mix and you get a number of people that could potentially result in the NHS being stressed.

[Jamesgt]

ruggedscotty said:

heard wrong....

https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/lies-spread-lin...

Looks conclusive. I’d not bet either way on it.