CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 12)
Discussion
Brave Fart said:
Griffith4ever said:
Yep - I own an event company that is reliant on gatherings greater than 30 (always outdoors, but the guests spend a lot of time indoors). I have not had a job in over a year. I have bookings for June 24th, and July that I have to wait until tomorrow to find out if (that) I'll have to cancel them, again, or, I know, it won't happen, they give the green light and then I've got a few days to prepare. It's madenning.
All the while you are all paying me not to work with grants. (just for those that think "I'm alright jack", or "it doesn't affect me", or "It's just another month, it isn't THAT bad" - YOU and your children will be paying to support my business and countless others (plus all the fraud) for the rest of your lives, getting worse every single day we are blanket-refused permission to hold events with more than a handful of people.
I hear your frustration and I sympathise. Your predicament - and I'm sure you're not alone - is why I get a bit cheesed off with some posters on here who continually post "I'm all right Jack" and "things are very near normal, stop complaining" type comments. No need to name those posters, we all know who they are.All the while you are all paying me not to work with grants. (just for those that think "I'm alright jack", or "it doesn't affect me", or "It's just another month, it isn't THAT bad" - YOU and your children will be paying to support my business and countless others (plus all the fraud) for the rest of your lives, getting worse every single day we are blanket-refused permission to hold events with more than a handful of people.
Edited by Griffith4ever on Sunday 13th June 10:56
Meanwhile, do you think there's any chance that tomorrow, Boris will announce a reprieve for wedding/events businesses? "You may now open, because the government is acutely aware of the pressure on your businesses" sort of thing.
scottyp123 said:
Brave Fart said:
Meanwhile, do you think there's any chance that tomorrow, Boris will announce a reprieve for wedding/events businesses? "You may now open, because the government is acutely aware of the pressure on your businesses" sort of thing.
He doesn't even care about his own kids or family, I don't think there is much chance of that.You can write the script - " we have done all of these brilliant things and therefore we can see the way forward to open up very slowly as we make our way towards Freedom Day (tba)"
NewBod said:
2000 people isn't enough to consider it to be based on the whole population.
But it is.If the methodology is sound, 1000 is generally considered a reasonable sample size, it should be within a few percent. 100 would be a 10% margin. 2000 would be 2% with increasingly diminishing returns as the sample scales.
sim72 said:
I would not be surprised if *some* rules are lifted or slackened - if so, almost certainly those covering outdoor events.
You can write the script - " we have done all of these brilliant things and therefore we can see the way forward to open up very slowly as we make our way towards Freedom Day (tba)"
Indeed; surely the government can sense the "we've done everything asked of us, now please give us something in return" mood? After all, if they wish to encourage vaccinations there needs to be some reward for compliance. Otherwise many of the under 30's might say: "Sod it. Why get the vaccine if you can't go on a foreign holiday or even attend a decent wedding party?"You can write the script - " we have done all of these brilliant things and therefore we can see the way forward to open up very slowly as we make our way towards Freedom Day (tba)"
We'll know soon enough, I guess, but a "we are removing XYZ restrictions but we cannot risk our progress to date. Alas, my friends, we must be patient for a little longer" message might be palatable for many.
Hoink said:
paulguitar said:
Hoink said:
I'm not going round in circles with you. Enjoy your day.
You too, and please don't post more lies. It's not helpful, all of this is stressful enough as it is.Oh, so you do want to round again?
Reuters says neither covid or covid Vax (which isn't what I expected as I thought they'd have needed Vax, but might just be negative test)
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/eriksens-...
Posting an insinuating that the collapse could even be remotely linked to the covid Vax is as close to a lie as makes no difference, and, as pointed out by others, is not at all helpful to any sensible discussion.
Hoink said:
paulguitar said:
Hoink said:
I'm not going round in circles with you. Enjoy your day.
You too, and please don't post more lies. It's not helpful, all of this is stressful enough as it is.isaldiri said:
Elysium said:
You are ignoring the simple fact that we were expecting an announcement that these restrictions, the ones that we agree are largely being ignored, are due to be lifted in 1 week.
I'm not. By all means insult the fat blundering fool for messing up young people's lives of you want. I'm merely pointing out I think using the g7 nonsense as a stick to beat him with in particular smacks of daily mail style outrage. And in particular there probably weren't as many actual rules being broken as you suggest given all the exemptions and caveats that exist.jameswills said:
I don’t think they broke any rules that are currently in place. Apart from the travel and quarantine restrictions of course!
Well there's the being seated to be served nonsense mainly that seems to be broken. Perhaps number of people in an outdoor setting, I can't be fussed to check that one. The travel and quarantine is not actually anything being flouted because there are all manner of existing exemptions for work/business that in particular apply to diplomatic travel. You can have a gathering of up to 30 people outdoors, but no venue will take a booking unless it’s agreed that this will be a seated event, that the group will be broken up into tables of 6 and that there will be no mingling.
The only way for a normal person to participate in this sort of event is to host it on their own land. Even then they would struggling to get it catered.
The Eden project is licensed premises. I can guarantee you that they would not have been allowed to host anything like the royal reception and dinner for a commercial business or private customer. Not because it flouts specific COVID regulations, but because if flouts COVID secure guidance which is now bound up into health and safety and licensing law. Ditto the Carbis Bay hotel.
The Govt has conflated law and guidance throughout this debacle. Instead hiding behind rules. Social distancing is guidance as is wearing masks when moving around hospitality venues and events. It’s not enforceable on the individual by law but if any normal venue allowed it there would be consequences on their business. These are Johnson’s guidelines and he should be following them without question. Or he should be withdrawing them.
The underlying point is that if you are going to have guidance you should follow it. I don’t care if any laws were broken, what matters is that they have blatantly disregarded their own guidance. Which confirms once and for all that the guidance is complete theatre.
But the big issue, the smoking gun if you like, is that he did this hours after leaking to the press that he had decided that us serfs need to adhere to this nonsense for 4 more weeks. Because ‘cases’ and stuff.
The arrogance and hypocrisy is off the charts.
Hoink said:
Roman Rhodes said:
ruggedscotty said:
Jamesgt said:
ruggedscotty said:
Looks conclusive. I’d not bet either way on it. https://twitter.com/SiavoushF/status/1403836301200...
can only think that there are people that want him to have been vaccinated and be able to see there you go its a terrible thing this vaccine... etc. etc.
jameswills said:
isaldiri said:
Well there's the being seated to be served nonsense mainly that seems to be broken. Perhaps number of people in an outdoor setting, I can't be fussed to check that one. The travel and quarantine is not actually anything being flouted because there are all manner of existing exemptions for work/business that in particular apply to diplomatic travel.
Hmm yes there is that but doesn’t that only apply to indoor settings? How do you get 30 people over for a bbq or party say and then make them all sit down in your back garden?andyeds1234 said:
Hoink said:
Appears to be or is?
I'm not sure why you care. Post a link to prove me wrong and move on.
The sheer stupidity of this statement is mind boggling.I'm not sure why you care. Post a link to prove me wrong and move on.
Post s
te, with no evidence, tell others it’s their job disapprove it.Clown.
I read something online, mentioned it and clearly stated that it was only a rumour. Someone else quickly corrected me with a link and the thread quickly moved on until PG mentioned it who clearly hadn't read the whole thread.
Any more personal insults coming my way?
Brave Fart said:
Indeed; surely the government can sense the "we've done everything asked of us, now please give us something in return" mood? After all, if they wish to encourage vaccinations there needs to be some reward for compliance. Otherwise many of the under 30's might say: "Sod it. Why get the vaccine if you can't go on a foreign holiday or even attend a decent wedding party?"
That's where I am. Why take a hastily authorised drug for a virus that barely affects my age group, which I've already had(and barely suffered) for no gain. Plus I don't like needles.
Also here is a list of TYFC posts on the bet about lockdowns. This is the picture where he outlines his bet.
See you in 30 days.
Griffith4ever said:
craig1912 said:
Elysium said:
You are ignoring the simple fact that we were expecting an announcement that these restrictions, the ones that we agree are largely being ignored, are due to be lifted in 1 week.
But yesterday, our glorious PM, let it be known that he is likely to announce that we will instead keep the restrictions for another month.
After making this pronouncement he went on to blatantly ignore them.
By the way, they are not behaving like everyone else. No one in this country is able to organise an event like that. No venue will take the booking. Not even AFTER 21st June
Kids up and down the country who had their exams disrupted again this year were looking forward hopefully to proms. University students who have been educated through zoom for a year and banned from socialising were hoping that they might be able to have a summer ball.
All of that will now be cancelled because it’s too dangerous. And on the day that this stupid mop headed bag of blubber decided to piss all over the mental health of the nation, the fat odious oaf then went to to host a drinks reception where he flagrantly broke all of the rules he is using to once again destroy lives and businesses.
These kids won’t get another chance. Just like the ones that were thrown under the bus last year. That’s it.
I assure you this is not faux outrage.
Best post in a long while. I have a 20 year old that won’t get two years of his life back and admitted he has “down” days. Just finished second year at Uni and looking forward to end of year celebrations including the summer ball which he has help organise.But yesterday, our glorious PM, let it be known that he is likely to announce that we will instead keep the restrictions for another month.
After making this pronouncement he went on to blatantly ignore them.
By the way, they are not behaving like everyone else. No one in this country is able to organise an event like that. No venue will take the booking. Not even AFTER 21st June
Kids up and down the country who had their exams disrupted again this year were looking forward hopefully to proms. University students who have been educated through zoom for a year and banned from socialising were hoping that they might be able to have a summer ball.
All of that will now be cancelled because it’s too dangerous. And on the day that this stupid mop headed bag of blubber decided to piss all over the mental health of the nation, the fat odious oaf then went to to host a drinks reception where he flagrantly broke all of the rules he is using to once again destroy lives and businesses.
These kids won’t get another chance. Just like the ones that were thrown under the bus last year. That’s it.
I assure you this is not faux outrage.
I keep saying to my mum and dad who are in their 80s and keep hiding away that I’m not bothered about them- it my two sons and the young that have been hardest hit.
All the while you are all paying me not to work with grants. (just for those that think "I'm alright jack", or "it doesn't affect me", or "It's just another month, it isn't THAT bad" - YOU and your children will be paying to support my business and countless others (plus all the fraud) for the rest of your lives, getting worse every single day we are blanket-refused permission to hold events with more than a handful of people.
Edited by Griffith4ever on Sunday 13th June 10:56
Hoink said:
I don't think there is any need for insults.
I read something online, mentioned it and clearly stated that it was only a rumour. Someone else quickly corrected me with a link and the thread quickly moved on until PG mentioned it who clearly hadn't read the whole thread.
Any more personal insults coming my way?
That depends if you spread more poisonous sI read something online, mentioned it and clearly stated that it was only a rumour. Someone else quickly corrected me with a link and the thread quickly moved on until PG mentioned it who clearly hadn't read the whole thread.
Any more personal insults coming my way?
te.Be prepared for ridicule when it’s deserved .
andyeds1234 said:
Hoink said:
I don't think there is any need for insults.
I read something online, mentioned it and clearly stated that it was only a rumour. Someone else quickly corrected me with a link and the thread quickly moved on until PG mentioned it who clearly hadn't read the whole thread.
Any more personal insults coming my way?
That depends if you spread more poisonous sI read something online, mentioned it and clearly stated that it was only a rumour. Someone else quickly corrected me with a link and the thread quickly moved on until PG mentioned it who clearly hadn't read the whole thread.
Any more personal insults coming my way?
te.Be prepared for ridicule when it’s deserved .
I suggest you look at the post where ruggedscotty corrected me in a sensible way. That is how to correct someone.
Hoink said:
It's hardly ridicule.
I suggest you look at the post where ruggedscotty corrected me in a sensible way. That is how to correct someone.
Thanks for the lesson in etiquette.I suggest you look at the post where ruggedscotty corrected me in a sensible way. That is how to correct someone.
Now let me return the favour…
When you post something, imagine it’s attributed to you, and you alone. If it’s true, you are a truthful individual, If it’s a lie, you are a liar.
Posting s
te, and using the excuse that it is someone else’s responsibility to check if it is factually correct, is cowardly.So, maybe if it’s important enough to post, it’s important enough to check the validity first, to save being a liar?
Edited by andyeds1234 on Sunday 13th June 13:27
“Downing Street defends 'Covid-secure' beach barbecue for G7 leaders”
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/downing-street-defends-...
Got to keep those restrictions in place for our safety!
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/downing-street-defends-...
Got to keep those restrictions in place for our safety!
grumbledoak said:
These polls are not done to learn what the public think. They are publicised to tell the public what to think.
Sadly I think if there was a vote the “keep lockdown” crew would win. As mentioned above - I’d like to see what the result would be if we removed the “free money” element. Ive caused some proper outrage amongst people I know because I have deleted my NHS app and if asked to sign in to a pub etc then I give false details. It’s a load of old b
ks. One of the people who got all shirty about it is a mechanic at a main dealer has just got himself a cushy few days off work because the app flagged up - after months and months of furlough.
Up til a couple of months ago I was all ok with the measures but my patience has now totally snapped. The quite blatant swap by the media from focus on deaths to cases is a joke - and am I missing something here? How come nobody seems to link up the fact that if you test ten times more folk you’ll get ten times more positives?
We have gone through all this, our much heralded vaccine rollout, and yet are going to be way later than others in reopening. And is this delta variant making waves in Europe? Given the exponential rate it spreads surely it’d be rife there too now?
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t thing I expected with this has come to pass. Next up will be more lockdowns over winter, probably a tier system targeting non-CON voting areas (North west) and more “lockdown apartheid” as I call it. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff