Black Lives Matter activist critical after London shooting.
Discussion
Newarch said:
g4ry13 said:
Pretty much sums the whole thing up except the black community don't care about black lives if violence is between the community:
"But ever since the circumstances surrounding the shooting have become clearer, the anger seems to have dissipated. One can only imagine the sustained outrage if Johnson had been shot for her politics. Yet there is no national outrage now. No demonstrations on the streets. When George Floyd was killed by police on the streets of Minneapolis, parliament held a minute’s silence. Labour leader Keir Starmer was photographed taking the knee alongside his deputy, Angela Rayner. For Sasha Johnson? Nothing.
It is almost as if people are relieved that Johnson was allegedly caught up in an ‘altercation’, rather than a targeted assassination attempt. The reaction to her shooting is an example of how society really does disregard black lives. We no longer seem to care about this kind of violence. We are no longer shocked that five men, one of whom is just 18, stand accused of opening fire at a birthday party. We treat the nihilistic violence of young men with indifference. What greater indictment could there be of our treatment of young black people than society treating such appalling violence as unexceptional."
https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/06/03/has-every...
It's a very good point. I don't agree with some of Sasha Johnsons views but I don't think she is a bad person and certainly didn't deserve to be shot. But the issue is that, now it seems certain that she was shot by another black person, there is no political capital to be made out of the story. I dislike the term 'black community' because it is an oversimplification like BAME, which doesn't reflect the reality, that there are huge number of disparate people in the UK who consider themselves black and who don't necessarily have the same social norms and values, or any social cohesion even within ethnic groups. All people in the UK tend to unite on common ground, what sport they like, what team they support, what interests they have, or on a basic level who lives in their community. "But ever since the circumstances surrounding the shooting have become clearer, the anger seems to have dissipated. One can only imagine the sustained outrage if Johnson had been shot for her politics. Yet there is no national outrage now. No demonstrations on the streets. When George Floyd was killed by police on the streets of Minneapolis, parliament held a minute’s silence. Labour leader Keir Starmer was photographed taking the knee alongside his deputy, Angela Rayner. For Sasha Johnson? Nothing.
It is almost as if people are relieved that Johnson was allegedly caught up in an ‘altercation’, rather than a targeted assassination attempt. The reaction to her shooting is an example of how society really does disregard black lives. We no longer seem to care about this kind of violence. We are no longer shocked that five men, one of whom is just 18, stand accused of opening fire at a birthday party. We treat the nihilistic violence of young men with indifference. What greater indictment could there be of our treatment of young black people than society treating such appalling violence as unexceptional."
https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/06/03/has-every...
The only bit I disagree with is the demonstrations. Who would you be demonstrating against? I'm assuming the police have acted with alacrity to track down the suspects in this case, and there has no suggestion that the inquiry into this crime has been carried out with anything less than the usual gravity such a case would demand. I suppose you could demonstrate against social injustice but I believe this isn't simply a racial issue in the UK.
Northernboy said:
I’m not so sure. Look at how the sport conspired to keep the Williams sisters down for so long. After they showed early promise the sport closed ranks against them ensuring they never made it to a grand slam final or had the opportunity to make a living from the sport.
We saw the same in golf with Tiger Woods.
I'm glad you had the courage to highlight this We saw the same in golf with Tiger Woods.
I don't know much about Tiger Woods but I did think that the way Serena Williams was treated was disgraceful.
I showed my support for her by buying 2k worth of Nike Trainers
Newarch said:
g4ry13 said:
Pretty much sums the whole thing up except the black community don't care about black lives if violence is between the community:
"But ever since the circumstances surrounding the shooting have become clearer, the anger seems to have dissipated. One can only imagine the sustained outrage if Johnson had been shot for her politics. Yet there is no national outrage now. No demonstrations on the streets. When George Floyd was killed by police on the streets of Minneapolis, parliament held a minute’s silence. Labour leader Keir Starmer was photographed taking the knee alongside his deputy, Angela Rayner. For Sasha Johnson? Nothing.
It is almost as if people are relieved that Johnson was allegedly caught up in an ‘altercation’, rather than a targeted assassination attempt. The reaction to her shooting is an example of how society really does disregard black lives. We no longer seem to care about this kind of violence. We are no longer shocked that five men, one of whom is just 18, stand accused of opening fire at a birthday party. We treat the nihilistic violence of young men with indifference. What greater indictment could there be of our treatment of young black people than society treating such appalling violence as unexceptional."
https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/06/03/has-every...
It's a very good point. I don't agree with some of Sasha Johnsons views but I don't think she is a bad person and certainly didn't deserve to be shot. But the issue is that, now it seems certain that she was shot by another black person, there is no political capital to be made out of the story. I dislike the term 'black community' because it is an oversimplification like BAME, which doesn't reflect the reality, that there are huge number of disparate people in the UK who consider themselves black and who don't necessarily have the same social norms and values, or any social cohesion even within ethnic groups. All people in the UK tend to unite on common ground, what sport they like, what team they support, what interests they have, or on a basic level who lives in their community. "But ever since the circumstances surrounding the shooting have become clearer, the anger seems to have dissipated. One can only imagine the sustained outrage if Johnson had been shot for her politics. Yet there is no national outrage now. No demonstrations on the streets. When George Floyd was killed by police on the streets of Minneapolis, parliament held a minute’s silence. Labour leader Keir Starmer was photographed taking the knee alongside his deputy, Angela Rayner. For Sasha Johnson? Nothing.
It is almost as if people are relieved that Johnson was allegedly caught up in an ‘altercation’, rather than a targeted assassination attempt. The reaction to her shooting is an example of how society really does disregard black lives. We no longer seem to care about this kind of violence. We are no longer shocked that five men, one of whom is just 18, stand accused of opening fire at a birthday party. We treat the nihilistic violence of young men with indifference. What greater indictment could there be of our treatment of young black people than society treating such appalling violence as unexceptional."
https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/06/03/has-every...
The only bit I disagree with is the demonstrations. Who would you be demonstrating against? I'm assuming the police have acted with alacrity to track down the suspects in this case, and there has no suggestion that the inquiry into this crime has been carried out with anything less than the usual gravity such a case would demand. I suppose you could demonstrate against social injustice but I believe this isn't simply a racial issue in the UK.
She was at a party which resulted in another gang showing up with a gun to shoot at other gang members present. Maybe she's not affiliated in a gang but it would appear she does not keep pleasant company.
There does not seem to be much effort or concern for violence when it is black on black. Only if a white person is involved do people take to the streets and shout about racial injustice.
There are certainly values in certain communities (not all) which contribute to the likelihood of turning to gangs and a life of crime. Poor / no good role models, single parent families, glamourising the 'thug life' among many other things which could be somewhat addressed in communities but it's easier to do nothing and let their kids run around with machetes hacking each other to bits on the streets of London.
brake fader said:
Any news on the suspects who stabbed the flower seller guy or is he not the right kind of victim? Nobody seems to give a s
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They charged a 21 year old called James Peppiatt, I don't think they've released any more information than that.te.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57335...
brake fader said:
Any news on the suspects who stabbed the flower seller guy or is he not the right kind of victim? Nobody seems to give a ste.
Nothing other than his name is James Peppiatt, from Islington and he's 21. te.I did find a James Peppiatt from Islington on Facebook but no idea if it's the same one. I guess we'll have to wait for the court sketch.
g4ry13 said:
brake fader said:
Any news on the suspects who stabbed the flower seller guy or is he not the right kind of victim? Nobody seems to give a ste.
Nothing other than his name is James Peppiatt, from Islington and he's 21. te.I did find a James Peppiatt from Islington on Facebook but no idea if it's the same one. I guess we'll have to wait for the court sketch.
She was subsequently found dead in her home
She reportedly had a 21 year old son
Make of that what you will but I’m sure it will all come out in due course
Unknown_User said:
brake fader said:
Any news on the suspects who stabbed the flower seller guy or is he not the right kind of victim? Nobody seems to give a ste.
Yes, it's all over the news. Thankfully the suspect is now facing charges. te.Do we know when the protest is planned against this attack in Greenwich on a young man?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/greenwich-ma...
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/greenwich-ma...
Northernboy said:
Do we know when the protest is planned against this attack in Greenwich on a young man?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/greenwich-ma...
It's "part and parcel of living in a big city".https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/greenwich-ma...
g4ry13 said:
It's "part and parcel of living in a big city".
That’s a brand new “posh” development near the Millennium dome, where I think flats start at about £600,000.Sadly the current policy seems to be that whenever you build somewhere nice for young families and couples to move to you also have to allocate a certain percentage to people like this.
Northernboy said:
That’s a brand new “posh” development near the Millennium dome, where I think flats start at about £600,000.
Sadly the current policy seems to be that whenever you build somewhere nice for young families and couples to move to you also have to allocate a certain percentage to people like this.
Yup and yet people buy the stuff.Sadly the current policy seems to be that whenever you build somewhere nice for young families and couples to move to you also have to allocate a certain percentage to people like this.
Basically subsidising the housing for those that will make where they live a misery.
If people voted with their feet and didn’t buy them then maybe we’d see a change in policy.
Mr Whippy said:
Northernboy said:
That’s a brand new “posh” development near the Millennium dome, where I think flats start at about £600,000.
Sadly the current policy seems to be that whenever you build somewhere nice for young families and couples to move to you also have to allocate a certain percentage to people like this.
Yup and yet people buy the stuff.Sadly the current policy seems to be that whenever you build somewhere nice for young families and couples to move to you also have to allocate a certain percentage to people like this.
Basically subsidising the housing for those that will make where they live a misery.
If people voted with their feet and didn’t buy them then maybe we’d see a change in policy.
It's social engineering of the worst kind. It removes aspiration
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