Black Lives Matter activist critical after London shooting.
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Finding it difficult to give much of a s
t about it when people are loudly wasting effort on useless posturing and politics, while ignoring their real problems.
Bending a knee doesn't seem to be doing much to fix the stabbings or shootings, and the so-called 'community' isn't doing much either.
t about it when people are loudly wasting effort on useless posturing and politics, while ignoring their real problems.Bending a knee doesn't seem to be doing much to fix the stabbings or shootings, and the so-called 'community' isn't doing much either.
mrporsche said:
Northernboy said:
If a group genuinely was driven to save and improve the lives of black people in the UK they would;
Encourage people to be in a committed relationship before having children
Campaign to shame men who abandon their children
Work to encourage people to take the Covid vaccine (and other vaccines)
Bring the community together to stop their children joining drug gangs and slicing each other up with knives.
Encourage young people to gain skills and to take responsibility for their own decisions.
The problem with this is that the issues face by black people in the UK, are the same problems faced by black populations all around the world. It will involve looking inwards, and people dont want to do that.Encourage people to be in a committed relationship before having children
Campaign to shame men who abandon their children
Work to encourage people to take the Covid vaccine (and other vaccines)
Bring the community together to stop their children joining drug gangs and slicing each other up with knives.
Encourage young people to gain skills and to take responsibility for their own decisions.
mat205125 said:
Rather than exclusively shame men who abandon their kids, it's worth a balanced view including mothers who make it impossible for the kids fathers to tolerate sticking around.
Maybe - but the sheer volume of spf in the black community suggest something is a missDiane's comment that West Indian women would go to the wall for their kids, they have to as there are no men around.
The idea of the powerful strong black women, doesnt need a man around, hardly helps and as for the term Baby Daddy !.....
mrporsche said:
mat205125 said:
Rather than exclusively shame men who abandon their kids, it's worth a balanced view including mothers who make it impossible for the kids fathers to tolerate sticking around.
Maybe - but the sheer volume of spf in the black community suggest something is a missDiane's comment that West Indian women would go to the wall for their kids, they have to as there are no men around.
The idea of the powerful strong black women, doesnt need a man around, hardly helps and as for the term Baby Daddy !.....
It's even in a song:
Tired of baby, momma, tired of baby, daddy
Chilling in the spot where the parents should be
pquinn said:
Finding it difficult to give much of a st about it when people are loudly wasting effort on useless posturing and politics, while ignoring their real problems.
Bending a knee doesn't seem to be doing much to fix the stabbings or shootings, and the so-called 'community' isn't doing much either.
Aren’t we in danger of taking the same attitude as to fatal shootings in America.t about it when people are loudly wasting effort on useless posturing and politics, while ignoring their real problems.Bending a knee doesn't seem to be doing much to fix the stabbings or shootings, and the so-called 'community' isn't doing much either.
‘It’s nothing to do with us, let them wipe themselves out, who cares’
When it’s becoming an almost everyday occurrence any impact disappears.
Drawweight said:
Aren’t we in danger of taking the same attitude as to fatal shootings in America.
‘It’s nothing to do with us, let them wipe themselves out, who cares’
When it’s becoming an almost everyday occurrence any impact disappears.
From wider society yes.‘It’s nothing to do with us, let them wipe themselves out, who cares’
When it’s becoming an almost everyday occurrence any impact disappears.
However when you have group / movement highlighting so called oppression and murder by white people, when the biggest threat to black people is other black people, the message gets lost and wider society loses heart.
Drawweight said:
Aren’t we in danger of taking the same attitude as to fatal shootings in America.
‘It’s nothing to do with us, let them wipe themselves out, who cares’
When it’s becoming an almost everyday occurrence any impact disappears.
To be honest I think I am genuinely more upset by the tragic deaths of young black men and the multiple deep-rooted causes that lead to this phenomenon than BLM are.‘It’s nothing to do with us, let them wipe themselves out, who cares’
When it’s becoming an almost everyday occurrence any impact disappears.
And I’m a middle-aged, middle-income, middle of the road white male.
I feel helpless because even if I wanted to get out there and really try to do something practical to help, I would be shouted down as racist because to truly deal with the problem would require a proper soul-searching within the black community and a whitey cannot presume to venture down that path.
I even feel sorry for the perpetrators to some extent because they are often doomed from birth due to the issues we all know about but cannot fully talk about, or certainly not in the mainstream channels.
It’s a tragedy of massive proportions, but if you listen to, watch or read any debate about this in the media the only issues mentioned are institutional racism, poverty, the legacy of slavery, stop and search etc. Nobody brings up the absolute primary cause - which in my view is undoubtedly the overwhelming prevalence of missing fathers (way more than in any other ‘community’) which inevitably leads to a lack of solid, decent male role models, lack of male discipline and guidance and then the gravitation towards gang-culture caused by a child who feels abandoned craving for a sense of belonging and structure.
The only possible way to even to begin to tackle this problem is for the black community to fully acknowledge the true causes and then try to gradually change their own ‘culture’ and mindset.
I am totally serious about this. Every time I read about another young black man killed in this mindless violence I am truly upset and feel rage that none of the numerous bodies, busybodies and do-gooders who should be straining every sinew to examine the causes and searching for ways to alter the awful, inevitable results would rather tinker at the edges and address only the symptoms. If those bodies are ‘white’ the reason for this is a fear of being labelled racist and if ‘black’ the reason is reluctance to admit the painful truth.
Edited by FazerBoy on Friday 11th June 22:41
poo at Paul's said:
g3org3y said:
Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-rep...
It's a shocking and saddening statistic.
Mental. And yet regularly ignored and we all know why. It's a shocking and saddening statistic.
Much easier to cite 'systemic racism' than explore the underlying reasons for the difference in outcomes in Black Caribbean and Black African children for example.
Drawweight said:
Aren’t we in danger of taking the same attitude as to fatal shootings in America.
‘It’s nothing to do with us, let them wipe themselves out, who cares’
When it’s becoming an almost everyday occurrence any impact disappears.
The situation can only be addressed if 'difficult' questions get asked.‘It’s nothing to do with us, let them wipe themselves out, who cares’
When it’s becoming an almost everyday occurrence any impact disappears.
As I've said before, if you have time to spare and have any interest in these matters, please do watch these interviews with the commissioners of the governmental race disparities report.
Tony Sewell has done a lot of fantastic work helping children from disadvantaged backgrounds through his charity. After the report was published he (and other members of the committee) received lots of abuse.
Wikipedia said:
Sewell received extensive online abuse after the report's publication, including from Labour MP Clive Lewis and Cambridge academic Priyamvada Gopal.[15] Gopal accused Sewell of not having a PhD; when she learned he did, Gopal tweeted: "Okay, established. It is, in fact, Dr Sewell. Fair enough. Even Dr Goebbels had a research PhD. (University of Heidelberg, 1921)"
Shocking and shameful. 
FazerBoy said:
To be honest I think I am genuinely more upset by the tragic deaths of young black men and the multiple deep-rooted causes that lead to this phenomenon than BLM are.
And I’m a middle-aged, middle-income, middle of the road white male.
I feel helpless because even if I wanted to get out there and really try to do something practical to help, I would be shouted down as racist because to truly deal with the problem would require a proper soul-searching within the black community and a whitey cannot presume to venture down that path.
I even feel sorry for the perpetrators to some extent because they are often doomed from birth due to the issues we all know about but cannot fully talk about, or certainly not in the mainstream channels.
It’s a tragedy of massive proportions, but if you listen to, watch or read any debate about this in the media the only issues mentioned are institutional racism, poverty, the legacy of slavery, stop and search etc. Nobody brings up the absolute primary cause - which in my view is undoubtedly the overwhelming prevalence of missing fathers (way more than in any other ‘community’) which inevitably leads to a lack of solid, decent male role models, lack of male discipline and guidance and then the gravitation towards gang-culture caused by a child who feels abandoned craving for a sense of belonging and structure.
The only possible way to even to begin to tackle this problem is for the black community to fully acknowledge the true causes and then try to gradually change their own ‘culture’ and mindset.
I am totally serious about this. Every time I read about another young black man killed in this mindless violence I am truly upset and feel rage that none of the numerous bodies, busybodies and do-gooders who should be straining every sinew to examine the causes and searching for ways to alter the awful, inevitable results would rather tinker at the edges and address only the symptoms. If those bodies are ‘white’ the reason for this is a fear of being labelled racist and if ‘black’ the reason is reluctance to admit the painful truth.
Easier to virtue signal and post some tweets than actually address issues/do something of actual benefit.And I’m a middle-aged, middle-income, middle of the road white male.
I feel helpless because even if I wanted to get out there and really try to do something practical to help, I would be shouted down as racist because to truly deal with the problem would require a proper soul-searching within the black community and a whitey cannot presume to venture down that path.
I even feel sorry for the perpetrators to some extent because they are often doomed from birth due to the issues we all know about but cannot fully talk about, or certainly not in the mainstream channels.
It’s a tragedy of massive proportions, but if you listen to, watch or read any debate about this in the media the only issues mentioned are institutional racism, poverty, the legacy of slavery, stop and search etc. Nobody brings up the absolute primary cause - which in my view is undoubtedly the overwhelming prevalence of missing fathers (way more than in any other ‘community’) which inevitably leads to a lack of solid, decent male role models, lack of male discipline and guidance and then the gravitation towards gang-culture caused by a child who feels abandoned craving for a sense of belonging and structure.
The only possible way to even to begin to tackle this problem is for the black community to fully acknowledge the true causes and then try to gradually change their own ‘culture’ and mindset.
I am totally serious about this. Every time I read about another young black man killed in this mindless violence I am truly upset and feel rage that none of the numerous bodies, busybodies and do-gooders who should be straining every sinew to examine the causes and searching for ways to alter the awful, inevitable results would rather tinker at the edges and address only the symptoms. If those bodies are ‘white’ the reason for this is a fear of being labelled racist and if ‘black’ the reason is reluctance to admit the painful truth.
It does seem that the lone parent/lack of male role model plays a contributing factor. IIRC from the stats, 63% lone parents in Black Caribbean families.
You would have thought after the race disparity report was released that 24-1 homicide stat would be headline news...seemingly not.
I suspect a lot of the reluctance to explore this is owing to the risk of accusations of 'victim blaming' or shaming single mothers etc.
It's a shame these things can't be discussed openly and properly. How can one provide solutions without first acknowledging the problem?
Edited by g3org3y on Saturday 12th June 07:00
FazerBoy said:
To be honest I think I am genuinely more upset by the tragic deaths of young black men and the multiple deep-rooted causes that lead to this phenomenon than BLM are.
And I’m a middle-aged, middle-income, middle of the road white male.
I feel helpless because even if I wanted to get out there and really try to do something practical to help, I would be shouted down as racist because to truly deal with the problem would require a proper soul-searching within the black community and a whitey cannot presume to venture down that path.
I even feel sorry for the perpetrators to some extent because they are often doomed from birth due to the issues we all know about but cannot fully talk about, or certainly not in the mainstream channels.
It’s a tragedy of massive proportions, but if you listen to, watch or read any debate about this in the media the only issues mentioned are institutional racism, poverty, the legacy of slavery, stop and search etc. Nobody brings up the absolute primary cause - which in my view is undoubtedly the overwhelming prevalence of missing fathers (way more than in any other ‘community’) which inevitably leads to a lack of solid, decent male role models, lack of male discipline and guidance and then the gravitation towards gang-culture caused by a child who feels abandoned craving for a sense of belonging and structure.
The only possible way to even to begin to tackle this problem is for the black community to fully acknowledge the true causes and then try to gradually change their own ‘culture’ and mindset.
I am totally serious about this. Every time I read about another young black man killed in this mindless violence I am truly upset and feel rage that none of the numerous bodies, busybodies and do-gooders who should be straining every sinew to examine the causes and searching for ways to alter the awful, inevitable results would rather tinker at the edges and address only the symptoms. If those bodies are ‘white’ the reason for this is a fear of being labelled racist and if ‘black’ the reason is reluctance to admit the painful truth.
Then you have gangsta rap whose lyrics generally involve niggaz/guns/bAnd I’m a middle-aged, middle-income, middle of the road white male.
I feel helpless because even if I wanted to get out there and really try to do something practical to help, I would be shouted down as racist because to truly deal with the problem would require a proper soul-searching within the black community and a whitey cannot presume to venture down that path.
I even feel sorry for the perpetrators to some extent because they are often doomed from birth due to the issues we all know about but cannot fully talk about, or certainly not in the mainstream channels.
It’s a tragedy of massive proportions, but if you listen to, watch or read any debate about this in the media the only issues mentioned are institutional racism, poverty, the legacy of slavery, stop and search etc. Nobody brings up the absolute primary cause - which in my view is undoubtedly the overwhelming prevalence of missing fathers (way more than in any other ‘community’) which inevitably leads to a lack of solid, decent male role models, lack of male discipline and guidance and then the gravitation towards gang-culture caused by a child who feels abandoned craving for a sense of belonging and structure.
The only possible way to even to begin to tackle this problem is for the black community to fully acknowledge the true causes and then try to gradually change their own ‘culture’ and mindset.
I am totally serious about this. Every time I read about another young black man killed in this mindless violence I am truly upset and feel rage that none of the numerous bodies, busybodies and do-gooders who should be straining every sinew to examine the causes and searching for ways to alter the awful, inevitable results would rather tinker at the edges and address only the symptoms. If those bodies are ‘white’ the reason for this is a fear of being labelled racist and if ‘black’ the reason is reluctance to admit the painful truth.
Edited by FazerBoy on Friday 11th June 22:41
hes etc etc etc. Lot of money being made by record labels and 'artists' on that front. If you get the chance to read Ike Turner's autobiography - which is an excellent read - he highlights rap as being a real detriment to black youth. Touring442 said:
Then you have gangsta rap whose lyrics generally involve niggaz/guns/bhes etc etc etc. Lot of money being made by record labels and 'artists' on that front. If you get the chance to read Ike Turner's autobiography - which is an excellent read - he highlights rap as being a real detriment to black youth.
A pity he was a real detriment to black women!hes etc etc etc. Lot of money being made by record labels and 'artists' on that front. If you get the chance to read Ike Turner's autobiography - which is an excellent read - he highlights rap as being a real detriment to black youth.Touring442 said:
Then you have gangsta rap whose lyrics generally involve niggaz/guns/bhes etc etc etc. Lot of money being made by record labels and 'artists' on that front. If you get the chance to read Ike Turner's autobiography - which is an excellent read - he highlights rap as being a real detriment to black youth.
Go back 100 years or so and there were similar arguments made about Jazz music - https://www.jstor.org/stable/1512237hes etc etc etc. Lot of money being made by record labels and 'artists' on that front. If you get the chance to read Ike Turner's autobiography - which is an excellent read - he highlights rap as being a real detriment to black youth. As is the way of the world now, someone videoed her mouthing off, just before she got shot, and I got sent the video on a WhatsApp group. She was basically threatening the shooter, and telling them that “she doesn’t do threats, just promises” and “ would they like to take it outside, so she could show them about her promise”. Well it seems they did, and she came off worse.
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
As is the way of the world now, someone videoed her mouthing off, just before she got shot, and I got sent the video on a WhatsApp group. She was basically threatening the shooter, and telling them that “she doesn’t do threats, just promises” and “ would they like to take it outside, so she could show them about her promise”. Well it seems they did, and she came off worse.
Do you mean the bit of video from July last year that was linked to on the first page of this thread?https://mobile.twitter.com/HappyHarryMedia/status/...
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
As is the way of the world now, someone videoed her mouthing off, just before she got shot, and I got sent the video on a WhatsApp group. She was basically threatening the shooter, and telling them that “she doesn’t do threats, just promises” and “ would they like to take it outside, so she could show them about her promise”. Well it seems they did, and she came off worse.
This video? I didn't realise it showed her speaking with the alleged shooter - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM9ggtMbdIEMaximus_Meridius101 said:
As is the way of the world now, someone videoed her mouthing off, just before she got shot, and I got sent the video on a WhatsApp group. She was basically threatening the shooter, and telling them that “she doesn’t do threats, just promises” and “ would they like to take it outside, so she could show them about her promise”. Well it seems they did, and she came off worse.
I trust you didn't laugh, much. 
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