Gun wielding Mark McCloskey is running for the US Senate

[Byker28i]

Byker28i said:

St. Louis couple who pointed guns at protesters plead guilty to misdemeanor charges.

The St. Louis couple who made headlines last year for pointing their guns at people protesting near their home pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges, according to court documents obtained from the city of St. Louis on Thursday.

Mark and Patricia McCloskey drew national attention in June 2020 after they were seen on video brandishing guns outside their mansion and pointing them at protesters, who were walking on a private street toward the home of the St. Louis mayor.
In videos posted to social media, Mark McCloskey is seen holding a long rifle and Patricia McCloskey a handgun as demonstrators -- who were protesting then-Mayor Lyda Krewson's decision to publish the names and addresses of people in favor of police reform -- walked past their home.

As part of the plea agreement, Mark and Patricia McCloskey agreed to surrender their handgun and semi-automatic rifle, according to the documents.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/17/us/st-louis-mcc...

[hidetheelephants]

HM-2 said:

Oakey said:

hidetheelephants said:

What's your point? Is a plea bargain any less of a legal settlement than a jury verdict or a judge's decision?

Maybe the question you should be asking is why suspects in the US rarely opt for a trial to have their guilt proven beyond reasonable doubt?

Because the US criminal justice system barely functions.

We could do with some plea-bargaining in the UK; the court back-log is farcical.

[Oakey]

hidetheelephants said:

HM-2 said:

Oakey said:

hidetheelephants said:

What's your point? Is a plea bargain any less of a legal settlement than a jury verdict or a judge's decision?

Maybe the question you should be asking is why suspects in the US rarely opt for a trial to have their guilt proven beyond reasonable doubt?

Because the US criminal justice system barely functions.

We could do with some plea-bargaining in the UK; the court back-log is farcical.

Damn those pesky trials determining whether people are actually guilty or not

[HM-2]

Oakey said:

hidetheelephants said:

HM-2 said:

Oakey said:

hidetheelephants said:

What's your point? Is a plea bargain any less of a legal settlement than a jury verdict or a judge's decision?

Maybe the question you should be asking is why suspects in the US rarely opt for a trial to have their guilt proven beyond reasonable doubt?

Because the US criminal justice system barely functions.

We could do with some plea-bargaining in the UK; the court back-log is farcical.

Damn those pesky trials determining whether people are actually guilty or not

If trial by jury is an effective determiner of guilt with a sufficiently low rate of error then surely taking a plea deal to avoid more serious criminal charges is essentially a concession that a prosecutor stands a good chance of landing a more serious conviction?

I think we all know this is not the reality. The false conviction rate in capital murder offenses is at least 0.8% and likely to be nearer 4%

Edited by HM-2 on Saturday 19th June 09:49

[silentbrown]

HM-2 said:

The false conviction rate in capital murder offenses is at least 0.8% and likely to be nearer 4%

Get rid of that "appeals" nonsense and all those activist lefty lawyers, bring back the death penalty and you'd bring that down to zero. Result!